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If you were like me and needed to wait for minds and wallets to clear before picking up some of the $75 preview battlegroups before Aug 10 ....... well tough, because they stopped taking orders on Aug 5 due to being crushed with more demand than they budgeted production for in order to meet their core release. Good for PP but I tell you, sour af grapes for me and my buddy, who were set to order today, well ahead of the Aug 10 date they told us.
Which is crazy timing, because I was basically looking at either buying into Horus Heresy at my LGS today or investing in Warmachine MK4 at some point in the fall maybe if their production can handle it And my clubmate is on the same fence.
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NAVARRO wrote: Is there more reviews or unboxing online?
More will probably show up when the online orders ship sometime in the next month. The only people with the battlegroups currently are those who went to GenCon ...
... or those who know somebody who did My local ex-PressGanger was awesome and sold me his Orgoth box yesterday, since he just wanted to check out the magnets and resin quality. He was sufficiently impressed to order three more boxes online for demo purposes.
I'm almost done assembling, got the jacks magnetized and need to clean up extra arms and the warcaster. My review in a nutshell:
- The magnets are great, really nice sockets and keying to hold limbs in place and avoiding spinning and stuff. That said, I cut the keys off the Jackal's heads as they were keeping them from fitting flush.
- The resin is fine. I had some white IPA residue but really whatever, I'm not concerned that it will obscure paint. The resin they use is less brittle than the stuff I do, which is nice, but I had one weapon arrive broken (ironically the one I'll probably always use on the Jackal)
- Print layers aren't bad, especially as I'm going to hit them with black and then silver sprays. I could see somebody doing a thin white and then glazes having some issues with big round jack joints, however I'm not sure that will come up much. I haven't checked out the warcaster, and certainly the layer lines are going to mean more on infantry skin and such. I'll know more after priming.
- Clean up for me is MUCH faster than traditional minis, just knifing off sprue pegs really. There's some pockmarking from supports being removed, but again, I don't care on jacks. There are many ways to smooth these over for infantry and what not, and I'll take them over the endless gap filling I have to do with traditional resin minis (such as the Legion army I'm heavily stalled on because GSing all those gaps is my least favorite thing).
NAVARRO wrote: On the part that was broken do you find its easy to repair the plastic with just glue or does need pinning?
A nice thing about 3D prints is that if they break, the break is often quite shear, which I find very easy to glue as the fit is often perfect. I did think about pining the Jackal's club head back on, and I may give it a shot if it breaks again, but the little bit of pining I've done with my own prints hasn't always been the best, as the drill bit can fracture layers if it's done too hard or with the grain? This is just my experience, I've never heard of people pining 3D prints (probably because they're one piece or very light so the need isn't often there).
Yeaaaaa I wonder about big, smooth, heavy beasts. I'm in for Orgoth because they have pseudo-beasts of their own, so I guess I'll find out before the Hordes stuff drops next year, however what we've seen has been fairly textured AND won't be produced for a while yet, giving time for PP to continue to dial in their production capabilities.
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Cyel wrote: I can see that base overhang is still en vogue
The classic 'assing in' is less of a problem without arcs
Also I'll note that the 40mm base still has a slot in it. I get that PP ordered them in the millions but what an annoying thing we need to keep filling in when these 3D prints are never going to have tabs.
Do y'all really just glue paper on?? I've seen people use tape or something but never thought to straight up glue paper. I pack the slot with sprue and putty over it, then flock and etc.
But anyway my point was that it's a total relic that serves no purpose any longer, and barely did in the past.
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NH Gunsmith wrote:Packing the slot with sprue and putty takes so much more time and effort.
Sure does
NinthMusketeer wrote:@Boss Salvage can you tell me more about the break and how it happened? As a clumsy brute who does all sorts of accidental smashing & dropping how brittle a material is becomes highly relevant
The Jackal's mace (the thing it's equipped with in my pic) came broken at the haft above the fist, tho I wouldn't call it the most delicate piece - the Jackal comes with a spear that has a very similar but much longer shaft. For a little context, the Tyrant's flail intentionally comes in 3 parts - arm/handle + chain + head - presumably to avoid similar disaster (and maybe to pose but I doubt it with how the chain is sculpted).
As much of a bummer as broken bits in a new kit are, the reminder that I'll need to secure these things for transport is well taken. Most likely I'll keep the magnetizing going and stick them to a steel sheet, particularly with how light the minis are.
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I think the resin is quite good, but you can check out the layer lines for yourself in these big photos. The cape is particularly well printed, it's really just the top of the mini's armor where they stand out the most. Good chunky print overall.
No backpack cause I need to paint that back fur, no head because I'm considering headswapping all the non-trollkin Orgoth infantry
EDIT: You can also see by the neck slot that the non-magenetic joints are keyed as well. Same goes for the jack torsos and hips.
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One more snap from me. I zoomed in on this shot of all the bits and noticed a good example of potentially problematic layer lines. I'm frankly unsure how this head is going to look after I spray it black, spray it metal, contrast it, wash it and drybrush it. Could be fine? But a lot of those steps feel designed to bring out any layer lines that make it through priming
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Removing facing was at the very top of my wishlist for MK4, since it was a major time suck and, as Aduro mentions, wasn't particularly well supported by PP (look at Infinity's new bases or hell huge bases in WMH to see how they could have designed for it). I didn't expect the weirdness with units teleporting and all that, but I'm still willing to believe it's a feature and not a bug.
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PP just dropped the complete list of Legacy armies making their way into the Prime Arena:
Blackclad Army (Circle) Tharn Army (Circle) Convergence Army Crucible Guard Army Bane Army (Cryx) Blackfleet Army (Cryx) Storm Knight Army (Cygnar) Trencher Army (Cygnar) Grymkin Army Infernals Army Man-O-War Army (Khador) Winter Guard Army (Khador) Blighted Nyss Army (Legion) Blighted Ogrun Army (Legion) Blindwater Army (Mercenary) Cephalyx Army (Mercenary) Farrow Army (Mercenary) Privateer Army (Mercenary) Rhulic Army (Mercenary) Steelhead Army (Mercenary) Exemplar Army (Protectorate) Flameguard Army (Protectorate) Dawnguard Army (Retribution) Mage Hunter Army (Retribution) Immortals Army (Skorne) Praetorian Army (Skorne) Northkin Army (Trollbloods) United Kriels Army (Trollbloods)
So I tried to preorder an Orgoth starter from one of my LGS ... but they aren't currently planning to stock MK4. They've been burned by PP in the past plus feel the $75 battle boxes are too expensive to get new players in (IF they were even available), let alone the $200 chonkers, which are too expensive to get returning players in.
There's another LGS in town, but I figured the one that actually stocks MonPoc, Riot Quest and new MK3 stuff would be game. The other one liquidated their PP stock long ago and definitely has zero room for MK4 on its shelves.
I dunno, they look a lot like Ret + WHFB Dark Elves* to me, which is fine and cool. I'd say these are my #2 after Khador, because to my eyes Khador preserved the most of the old vibe and these the next most.
I do wish they'd stop with the hyper NMM and use a more grounded, less distracting style
* Check out the headcrests on the Dreadguard (as well as their name!), the loincloth design on Hazaroth, plus the color palette is spot on.
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ScarletRose wrote: And IMO they're kind of a ripoff of the mecha-Legion guy that converted his whole army to be robotic
I heard that's literally the inspiration for the army In the same way that Farrow were long ago a conversion that somebody made to turn Trollbloods into Pigdudes (according to my Pressganger buddy).
Anyway, I love the purple snek things. Also WOW at Invictus, very much Mangler and Renegade rebuilt on a Cygnar-style chassis. Pretty rad.
Overread wrote: I'm also wondering if I wait long enough they'll just start selling STLs I can print at home on my own printer
Part of me is over here with you. I have so many other things going on, and WM's prices are so high and game presence so low, that I'm content to wait and keep checking in to see if they've relented yet
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odinsgrandson wrote: Then there's the question- will stores want to pick this up if they previously phased out their stock of Warmachine? Many stores around here clearanced out their Warmachine stock already- I wonder if they'd be more or less inclined to pick up the new version.
Both of my LGS are hard passes on PP beyond MonPoc. I asked them if they were taking orders for MK4 about a year ago and I received very solid NO's in both cases Seems like MK3 was the killer, and neither owner sees any reason to jump through PP's ordering hoops to put very expensive MK4 boxed armies on the shelf that have a low likelihood of moving (as I was told by the one that still sells MonPoc). In fact, it wasn't until this last weekend when I was in Hamilton, ON for a Kings of War tournament that I saw my first MK4 boxes! And I must say they do look good. I picked up a siege tarask for a tight $80 CAD to commemorate the moment.
But in other news, I just plonked another $100 USD on Cryx stuff because I really would like to paint up the Cryx I started 10+ years ago I know a few dudes locally I can play with, and I'm headed to Gen Con next year, where having 75 pts of undead pirate robots seems like a relevant thing to have.
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highlord tamburlaine wrote: I wish they'd offer more of the models from those starters up individually or just let me print them myself.
Big same, I very much want the roks from the Orgoth release and very much do not want the Orgoth infantry. Printing them myself would be extra nice. I have been told there's a plan to make units available separately but as we can see, PP is struggling to get their new faction boxes out the door, so not holding my breath on the contents being broken out.
LunarSol wrote: Interesting enough they just put a couple Khador units up as singles on their webstore. I'd not count on anything appearing soon though.
It's happening!! For the curious, the available singles are: - Dire Wolf Heavy Warjack - Great Bear Heavy Warjack - Shocktrooper Gunners - Arkanists - Kapitan Ekaterina Baranova
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LunarSol wrote: I think the most important failure in Mk4 though is the inability to stick to the 50/75 point plan. It is without question the most important thing for the game going forward, but something PP just hasn't been willing to support.
All games being (old) 75 point SR or practice therefore is 90% of why I left WM3. Seeing a bunch of (new) 75 point games for WM4 is 90% of why I'm interested again. For me, WM just doesn't feel great when it's at 75/100 ... plus I like when people have to make tougher list decisions, which feels more relevant in 'medium' sized matches.
This episode of PRIMECAST+ is short but exciting. We show off some of the latest WARMACHINE models for Mercenaries, Brineblood Marauders, and Khymaera. Then, hold onto your hats as reveals take to the skies for our first look at the Shadowflame Shard's Wyvern!
The Wyvern is really cool, and might be the first 80mm super heavy beast? Unless the trolls got one and I missed it.
And my clubmate is on the same fence.
My local ex-PressGanger was awesome and sold me his Orgoth box yesterday, since he just wanted to check out the magnets and resin quality. He was sufficiently impressed to order three more boxes online for demo purposes.
