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The dude going 'Spacehulk? Genestealers, Demons, Orks, whatever weird stuff the universe can throw at me? Time to break out the knuckle dusters and leave half me armour at home' has to be one of the gloriously dumbest concept of all time
It occurs to me that the world must have moved on while I wasn't looking. All you kids with your weird modern ideas cannot even comprehend how normal and unworthy of note a sleeveless space dwarf with knuckle dusters looks.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Is it a new thing that 360 degree photos and images of the models and squads arent available for the new releases? I noticed it on the recent kill team stuf and todays gallowfall and Arbites teams?
Pretty sure 360s are still the norm. GW did get somewhat sloppy in this regard in the last few years and some kits/webstore pages don't get them. That doesn't seem like a deliberate shift away from 360° views, though.
tauist wrote: I was 5 minutes late and missed the box LOL
Oh well, this just means I will only get the campaign book and the extra terrain. I do have too many models anyway, one team less in my backlog hardly matters.
I hope Ashes of Faith will not end up the same, as I feel that box seems to have gathered exceptional interest.. But with GW no doubt prioritizing 10th edition and Leviathan boxes in their current production lines, every other box release will sell out immediately until 10th is out..
Given the name of the box, "I hope Ashes of Faith will not end up the same" sounds insanely funny. And yeah, it's very likely a vain hope. Not just because of 10th ed. GW's release pace and limited production capacity make discount FOMO a strategy, not an accident. There's no reason to expect that enough copies of Ashes of Faith were made to even come close to satisfying demand.
Brickfix wrote: More related to Kill Team specifically:
Is there any speculation on when ashes of faith gets released? How long does GWs definition of spring apply? I would guess the box gets released either before leviathan or a bit after leviathan, but there isn't really any spring left of the year after leviathan and the surrounding hype has died down to warrant a kill Team box set
They said during the reveal stream that the box is out before Leviathan. That should make it a June 3 pre-order with a June 10 release date at the latest, but it might be earlier than that.
Two is pretty close to fifty so it's all good, right?
Seems that I just managed to order an Arbites box from an independent. I imagine that box will be perpetually out of stock for the next six to twelve months.
lord_blackfang wrote: So after a brief respite since the Cursed City fiasco we back to hardcore FOMO sales model?
More like 'Betting the house on the Leviathan box' release model
To be fair, there's some logic to it. Leviathan is there to get as many people as possible to commit to investing in GW's premier game and most important moneymaker. The Kill Team boxes are supplements for a niche game. It's just completely different levels of sales. I'm sure GW would like to make more money off them if they had the production capacity, but not at the expense of 40k. It's not really a gamble prioritizing 40k.
lord_blackfang wrote: So after a brief respite since the Cursed City fiasco we back to hardcore FOMO sales model?
More like 'Betting the house on the Leviathan box' release model
To be fair, there's some logic to it. Leviathan is there to get as many people as possible to commit to investing in GW's premier game and most important moneymaker. The Kill Team boxes are supplements for a niche game. It's just completely different levels of sales. I'm sure GW would like to make more money off them if they had the production capacity, but not at the expense of 40k. It's not really a gamble prioritizing 40k.
I'm not saying that it isn't a pretty safe bet, but betting the house is still betting the house. It's hard to quantify the amount of goodwill and customer satisfaction they're sacrificing here, but i'm confident that that sort of bad blood with the community, and especially side-game communities, will persist for a very long time. It gets exacerbated by their usual approach of 'Don't ask - don't tell (the customers anything, ever)' - if you did not happen to catch that one sentence in the Warhammerfest Q&A or are following the community closely, you have no idea why they're unable to meet demand and have gakky service suddenly, and a lot of retailers and customers are fed up with that and will move on.
While I'm sure this is a popular sentiment, all evidence points to it not being popular enough to make GW reconsider their practices. GW has proven to be highly resilient to some types of customer dissatisfaction. It's unfortunate, but holding out hope that enough people are fed up with supply issues is much the same as hoping for the latest price increase to be the final straw. Not enough people break away and the customer pool remains large enough so GW still can't satisfy demand.
Eventually that may change, but so far these things have happened gradually and let GW correct course easily enough.
tauist wrote: It's been over 10 hours since the latest Warcry box went on preorder, still not sold out.. Either Warcry is a lot less popular than KT21, or something is off with GW's production capacity..?
You can still get 4 of the 6 AoS Christmas bundles on 3rd party sites, not to mention the 3rd edition launch box for nearly 50% off!
I like AoS, think the models are some of the best GW produces, but it seems like it's 1/10th as popular as 40K. It must be meeting their targets given they're reviving the old world and seem to be investing in big refreshes, but it's striking how the product just sits. I think the comment about the KT teams being pretty close to 40K units while AoS has oddball chaff makes sense, but it's not like Arbites or Beastmen or even the Votann specialists would be usable in 40K.
40k is bigger than AoS, but it also has more history. It's easy to sell Kill Team boxes just like Blackstone Fortress on the strength of oddball units that haven't had models or dedicated rules since the Nineties, but that are prominent enough in the fluff that people have spent years or even decades wanting to see them in miniature form (again).
AoS doesn't have that. I reckon the closest you'll come is if a Warcry box was the first release of Malerion elves. That might be a comparatively big seller since people have basically been waiting for that since day one. Sigmarines and Flesheater Courts aren't bad for what they can provide to their respective armies, but old heroes in new armor and a handful of extra models for an army starved for new models doesn't seem like it has wider appeal.
Officially it's 10am BST, but plenty of folks advise hitting the website five to ten minutes early and starting to refresh like a maniac is the way to go because pre-orders may go up a few minutes early.
Geifer wrote: Regarding the models GW doesn't want you to buy, is that a photoshop mishap or is the Interrogator a vampire?
We may need a new round of redone Marines to keep up with embiggened normal humans very soon.
Going by these set shots and action shots, it seems like the Interrogator is in ordinary human scale and the above is some sort of mishap:
Note that he is specifically not 1.5 times the height of a SoS
Still a lanky lad. Must be from the Dan Abnett school of the Inquisition, where the more important characters tend to be over 6 foot...
Yeah, but at least he's not so badly photoshopped that his 28mm base is as wide as the sister's 32mm base
Thank you. I was hoping someone might have a promo photo like that.
Agreed, looks like he might still be leaning towards the larger side of GW's human range, but at least it doesn't look like he's going to stand out like a freak.
Then I see that it went quickly out of stock and this always seems to happen and people are selling for twice the price on Ebay already. And this seems to be a conscious GW tactic.
If this is your only source for that conclusion then I'd park that thought. GW has a limited supply and can't seem to figure how to get that into the hands that matter. Selling out to scalpers is not good in the long run for GW and they know it. Their only real solution (an actual pre-order which would determine print runs some time in the future) isn't viable since this isn't an important release and all their other production is tied up in things that actually matter, ie. the 10th edition launch.
What GW really needs to do is address the damage these splash releases do to the brand they are released for. Maybe this as easy as releasing the "cardboard" parts separately or as a reduced price digital download at the same time. We all know the Inquisitorial henchpeople will come later with no old model "discount". But as it is GW makes these throwaway* releases that get them big cash for little work and minimal long term damage.
* They aren't really throwaway, but they are inconsequential to the actual game. The parts will be available later without the big box price/discount.
Thanks for that, all food for thought. My journey to it was Youtube videos saying 'Great value' and then looking at some of the models and thinking 'Yeah, can use them for DnD or Frostgrave if I don't like the game'. Then having a look at 0955 and clicking buy now.
I can see how this would get irksome over multiple releases, I've been reading other threads on other box sets. I am curious how much GW care? Or what they could do.
Considering it's a persisting problem I think it's safe to say that they don't care enough. It's not particularly odd for them to keep going like that either. They frequently sell out within a very short amount of time and any discontent that causes does not manifest as a drop in sales and profit. Which is mostly down to demand outstripping production by so much that they simply don't have to please as many people to remain at maximum profitability because enough other customers are ready to take the place of ones who are fed up. So unfortunately they can do pretty much as they please, with a result as predictable as you would expect of a company with shareholders.
Until that changes, whatever they could do is not relevant because they have no incentive to change anything.
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cerebaton wrote: I still think the scalpers are the issue though. GW may well be forecasting demand accurately with regards to people that want to own the box, but if they're snapped up by people that don't actually want them (i.e. scalpers) the players are going to miss out.
Problem is, scalping is not illegal. I don't know if there is anything GW can do about it, aside from MTO-releases.. And their current release churn strategy leaves no viable way to do MTO-only boxes if new stuff needs to flow out every week
GW could throw out fewer boxes but make more of the ones they do release. Keep them in production longer. No need to pay scalpers' inflated prices for something that is available from the manufacturer at normal MSRP and from retailers at a discount. But that's not as profitable for GW. They'd hit saturation at some point and get fewer sales out of a product before it's replaced by the next one whereas lower production runs of entirely new items released in rapid succession are guaranteed to sell out each time.
You can think of scalpers as scumbags (as it is occasionally put) and blame them all you like, but when it comes down to it they're a problem of GW's making. GW wants limited product, and limited product attracts scalpers.
Skinnereal wrote: If the discount was not so much, the demand would not be as fierce.
More reasonable discounts in these boxes, and the scalpers would not have the returns they need to make it such a problem for us.
Another one? Being unhappy that GW's prices are too low seems to be contagious.
Consider that the problem is the absurd base price GW asks for some trashy cultists. Ashes of Faith is a pretty normal number of models for a pretty normal GW price, very much comparable to other such boxes. It's not the Kill Team box that makes the discount look so good.
GiToRaZor wrote: Personally I would rather have GW release a new box of SH, all sized up and with lots of plastic terrain and not have a new KT box until Autumn in return.
Note that there will in fact not be a Kill Team box until fall, as per the roadmap from Warhammer Fest (spoilered for size):
Voss wrote: Tyranid and Marine codexes are autumn, not July.
Autumn, or Q3? July is on one of those.
I'll look for the announcement to see what they said.
See below
I mean if Midsummer's day is the middle of Summer (because of couse it should be), then Autumn starts around the 9th of August, which would be around 4 weeks after the results of the campaign.
That feels like the right kind of distance to introduce the new codex...
In UK parlance, Autumn starts either on the 1st of September or the 23rd of September.
No offense, but could we please stop it already with that meteorologist season bs? It only serves to confuse people. GW aren't meteorologists. They use seasons the same way normal people do, solstice to equinox or equinox to solstice, depending on the time of year.
Voss wrote: Tyranid and Marine codexes are autumn, not July.
Autumn, or Q3? July is on one of those.
I'll look for the announcement to see what they said.
See below
I mean if Midsummer's day is the middle of Summer (because of couse it should be), then Autumn starts around the 9th of August, which would be around 4 weeks after the results of the campaign.
That feels like the right kind of distance to introduce the new codex...
In UK parlance, Autumn starts either on the 1st of September or the 23rd of September.
No offense, but could we please stop it already with that meteorologist season bs? It only serves to confuse people. GW aren't meteorologists. They use seasons the same way normal people do, solstice to equinox or equinox to solstice, depending on the time of year.
I've never heard of Equinox to Solstice (or vice versa) used for seasons outside of religious or scientific settings. If you say Autumn to most people in the UK they will understand you mean September 1st to November 30th. Most people don't even know when the equinox/solstices are so the year is divided into four equal three month chunks.
You're right, overwhelmingly people refer to the start of a season by date (21st of June and December, around the 22nd of September and March). It's effectively the same thing.
The point though was that, and this is going to sound more dramatic than I actually feel about it, I take exception to the idea that I have seen propagated in the recent past that GW's announcements or roadmaps cannot be trusted because it is not known what kind of system they use. Or, as the previous post posits, that they are willfully inconsistent. This has historically not been the case and any such claim only spreads misinformation and causes confusion. That's unhelpful and unnecessary.
GW does more than enough dumb stuff for which we can (and should, in my opinion) criticize them. Inventing additional issues does not agree with me.
Aspect Warriors should have that uniformity. That may make them a bad choice for Kill Team after GW spend the last two years releasing flavorful and varied teams, but it's at least not a retcon for the sake of selling more plastic. It's a rare case of GW getting their priorities straight. I'd call that a positive. Plus, the Aspect team can be made up of only Striking Scorpions, but can also be mixed Aspects. So while the kit itself is pretty monotonous, the team doesn't have to be.
Bare heads are supposed to be an Ynnari thing. GW started with that when they released the plastic Banshees. I seem to remember the whole path thing isn't that big of a deal for Ynnead cultists because Ynnead is supposed to eat their souls after death, thus keeping them safe from Slaanesh.
My issue with the terrain is more that it doesn't seem very interactable. You get some high ground but no cover, cover on the ground floor is very much limited to the pillars, and while directional cover isn't a bad thing per se, if you arrange the walkways such that they look like they're built to resemble a functional human facility, you'll have a lot of it provide cover from a single direction no matter where on the board you are. Seems kind of dull in gameplay terms.
Kind of an odd choice, though. Guardians have boobplate. Autarchs have boobplate. Banshees have boobplate. It's an established look, and it doesn't feel like Scorpions have armor that is so much bulkier as to reasonably hide female features.
I reserve the right to doubt female Mandrakes until I see actually see any. GW is mortally afraid of boobs and Mandrakes aren't exactly dressed very Victorian.
Striking Scorpions picture in spoilers, for easy reference. Because Warhammer Community's search function sucks.
It's not a lie unless they did it on purpose. I very much doubt that GW is happy to see the Kill Team releases pushed to next year either.
What is a problem is that they made a statement that turned out false and they didn't think to address it and apologize for the delay. That's sucky communication, if on par with what to expect from GW.
Which is why it comes with a grey measuring too with grey shapes on it.
Exactly like your Ultramarines in your Leviathan box
That would be a bad comparison even if the miniatures weren't generic and meant to be used for any chapter you like straight out of the box. Unlike for instance the Dark Vengeance Marines that are explicitly Dark Angels.
The Kill Team tool is a tool that comes with one of two identifiers for ranges, and relies on the owner to add the second identifier themselves. It's... optimistic to expect that of everyone. That means that by this choice alone GW slanted things in favor of the geometric shapes as the primary identifier for the range bands. Insisting that this role falls to the colors because of the designers' original intent is purely academic.
Skinnereal wrote: Most people seem to be getting caught up on it being a missed opportunity. 2" is difficult to make a shape for, but 1, 3 and 5 are simple to have done.
It might be difficult if you need the lines to form a closed geometric shape. If your goal is just to have a logically ascending order to recurring elements in your symbols, it's as easy as giving a single bar ( "I" ) for 1", two bars ( "=" ) for 2", three bars (triangle) for 3" and six bars (hexagon) for 6".
Ancient Otter wrote: The Primaries Grapnel guns would be out of proportion for the old Scout models, right?
Judging by the pictures stahly provided the grapnel gun isn't any larger than a bolter. The hands of the new Scouts seem comparable in size to the old ones as well. I don't think a hand swap or using a Reiver grapnel gun would look out of place.
It's been a while since I played around with Marine bits but I think power armored Primaris arms are just a little bit longer than old Marine arms. I suspect the same is true of the new Scouts and a full arm swap might edge into awkward territory on the stockier old models.
Now that Horus Heresy has light and heavy Sentinels, maybe GW wants to add a light Sentinel to 40k as well? If the pilot is similarly exposed it shouldn't be hard to write rules for Kill Team that make the model killable and remain immersive at the same time.
Matrindur wrote: New terrain similar to the Manufactorum Sanctus Administratum with "ladders, barricades, smoke grenades?" (no idea what he means with smoke grenades here.
Cloudy versions of the old Vortex Grenade marker, so that a smoke grenade can be used to block LoS for real?
That would be fun to have and could easily be done as a two part sculpt. Could be a pretty sizable LOS blocker as well since it wouldn't really be any different from a terrain piece.
I can certainly believe that someone mixed up sentinel and sentry (gun). I prefer it over getting a second Imperial Guard model called a Sentinel when it has no connection to the already existing Sentinel. That would be stupid even by GW's standards.
