40K RPG WRATH & GLORY

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**BrookM**

The proportions are a bit off on the marine.

**warboss**

BrookM wrote:
The proportions are a bit off on the marine.

How so? Do you mean compared to the misshapen figures we have?

**VictorVonTzeentch**

By comparison even to other Marine Art work.

The piece itself is good its just not good if that makes sense, other artists do much better Astartes work.

**Galas**

The legs are just too thin.

**An Actual Englishman**

Where are you guys getting this art from? I can't find it anywhere on the site?

I agree that simpler systems are better from a narrative and engagement perspective. The bits within systems can always be tweaked to change things up or make them more interesting. Imagine if this combat had happened in a functioning promethium refinery with hot slag all over the place? Or perhaps the heroes will be affected by the cold if the battle takes too long? My point really is that you can always add complexity, it's much more difficult to take it away in my experience.

This looks real interesting but I think the most difficult part will be finding people to play with! This is niche of the niche.

**BrookM**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where are you guys getting this art from? I can't find it anywhere on the site?

As I mentioned in the post, FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/WrathandGlory/

Regular updates on art, progress and links to outside sources such as interviews and whatnot.

**Atlatl Jones**

EnTyme wrote:
That sterile, white background really takes away from that picture. I guess that they're trying to maintain consistency, but they should have put that picture on a darker background.

They probably don't have backgrounds so they can be fit into the layout of the book. In print, they'll have whatever background treatment the chapter they're in uses, and may have text wrapped around the contours, so they won't be on a big rectangular field of white.

**ProtoClone**

BrookM wrote:
The proportions are a bit off on the marine.

Quite off.

It has a very action figure feel to it. I imagine this is to help the games image by toning down its gonzo over-the-top background. Make it more playable to the few who have no idea what this setting is.

**EnTyme**

Atlatl Jones wrote:
EnTyme wrote:
That sterile, white background really takes away from that picture. I guess that they're trying to maintain consistency, but they should have put that picture on a darker background.

They probably don't have backgrounds so they can be fit into the layout of the book. In print, they'll have whatever background treatment the chapter they're in uses, and may have text wrapped around the contours, so they won't be on a big rectangular field of white.

Oh, I know that. There actually seem to be a few digital seams around the boots on this picture. I'm assuming these are the digital art files they're using for promo work, but they'll be superimposed on the page in the books. I just mean they aren't doing themselves any favors with the white backgrounds, and it really shows on this piece since the marine is wearing white armor. For promo images, they could put this on any background they choose, and it probably would have been better to use a darker background with some sort of subtle texture.

**Tiberius501**

Yeah I’m not so keen on that space marine. It seems the artists are copying the models a little too much without applying much of their own creativity, like a lot of the good 40k art has in it. Still nicely executed but has a little less personality than it could

**BrookM**

From Facebook:

Oy! You fink dat humie wuz prepared? 'Ere'z a Kommando ta show you wot prepared iz!

Artist: Florian Stitz

**schoon**

Some more news released in a podcast here with writer Stephen Rhodes.

Pertinent information - some is repeating what we already know:

- Steohen is core rulebook writer - mostly mechanics - adventuring, combat, investigations
- System is Dice Pool (Equipment, Skills, Attribute) vs Difficulty Rating including Wrath Die
- 4 or 5 are success and 6 is two successes. 6 on the Wrath Die is special good. 1 on Wrath Die is special complication
- 6s can also be transferred to effects if beyond what's needed for success
- Investigation Elements (Judge; Clues/Evidence; Cues/Rumors; Locations; Frauds)
- Cue leads to a Location, where you find a Clue to prove your case to a the Judge
- Frauds lead the PCs astray
- Tiers set campaign difficulty
- Tier 1 - SM Neophyte, Ork Boy, Eldar Guardian, Imperial Guardsman
- Tier 2 - Ork Kommando
- Tier 3 - Space Marines, Eldar Warlock, Ork Nob or Wierdboy
- Tier 4 - Primaris Marine, SM Librarian
- Tier 5 - Lords
- Characters have keywords - much like the tabletop game
- Allows PCs to affect certain things, and not others
- Also gives common rules framework
- Vehicle rules exist
- Psychic powers exist
- Quick-start booklet will be at Free PRG Day
- Game releases at GenCon 2018

Links to the awesome rules examples comics:
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3
Page 4
Page 5

**Elemental**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where are you guys getting this art from? I can't find it anywhere on the site?

I agree that simpler systems are better from a narrative and engagement perspective. The bits within systems can always be tweaked to change things up or make them more interesting. Imagine if this combat had happened in a functioning promethium refinery with hot slag all over the place? Or perhaps the heroes will be affected by the cold if the battle takes too long? My point really is that you can always add complexity, it's much more difficult to take it away in my experience.

Agreed, but you need rules to give some weight to that complexity. If too few things have ready mechanical support, then I'm going to get annoyed because it feels like the game's making me do all the work, and it's nice when there's a tangible difference between different options (weapons, psychic powers, etc) that let characters feel different from each other.

Though I agree in general, I've come to strongly prefer simple and elegant systems. I think a recent Pathfinder game was what tipped the balance, where the rules-savvy players had optimised Fighter2 / Monk3 / Paladin1 / Prestige Class 4 / Magical Girl 3 / Caped Crusader 1 characters that could solo a lot of encounters, while others just ended up looking bored because they couldn't compete. A big chunk of the sessions were wasted flipping through books to find out the exact wording on one out of hundreds of spells, and a climactic boss fight turned into a joke because the DM mistook one rule for another. I'm not a teenager any more, and memorising and mastering complex systems lost its geeky charm a while ago.

**BrookM**

From the latest newsletter, MIXED GROUPS:

Designer Diary - Mixed Groups
Greetings readers, this month’s Wrath & Glory designer diary continues to focus on character generation—specifically, about how the Dark Imperium shapes what kinds of characters adventure together amongst these bloodstained stars.

The galaxy has been rent asunder by a massive warp storm known as the Cicatrix Maledictum—the Great Rift. This raging split in space and time has rent the Imperium of Man in two. On one side lies the Imperium Sanctus, home of Holy Terra, a region of space where the Imperium is mostly able to function as it has endured for the last 10,000 years. On the other side lies the Imperium Nihilus, the Dark Imperium, and it is here that worlds lie under the greatest threat. In the Dark Imperium, the Astronomican that guides ships through the Warp is only glimpsed like a campfire through a shadowy forest. Astropathic messages are unreliable, and passage across the Great Rift from one side to the other is all but impossible.

Entire sectors of space are cut off and isolated from one another. Interstellar travel is unreliable at best, and far more dangerous than before. Systems of worlds close to the Great Rift must fend for themselves against the encroachment of madness, the predations of opportunistic alien species, and the foul schemes of the Ruinous Powers of Chaos.

Thus, the Dark Imperium is a place that is in dire need of heroes. Some are the last survivors of their military forces, others are those who became separated by ill-fortune. Still more arrive from those voidships that somehow manage to reach their destination.

These are desperate times in the Dark Imperium—individuals that would ordinarily return at once to their original organization have little choice but to remain. Attempting to journey beyond the Great Rift is tantamount to throwing one’s life away. Thus, unusual alliances and strange bedfellows are the norm in the Imperium Nihilus, for many worlds have no one else to rely on.

Warhammer 40,000 Roleplay: Wrath & Glory is set in the Dark Imperium, and thus, we have embraced this opportunity to present a setting in which players can take on nearly any of the iconic Warhammer 40,000 roles in their adventures. Each group of players and the game master must first decide their Framework—the context for who the heroes are, what they are doing, and why.

In the Imperium Nihilus, the default context is that the player characters work together because they are all these worlds can call on for aid against dire threats. Thus, a Tactical Space Marine of the White Scars Chapter fights alongside a Sister of Battle from the Order of the Sanctified Shield. An Astra Militarum Commissar watches the back of her Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarius companion. A Ministorum priest helps an Imperial Guardsman overcome the challenges that lie ahead.

This is not an unusual group of heroes for the Dark Imperium, nor is it the only combination possible. Wrath & Glory contains rules to play as many different frameworks. Some examples include: a group of underhive scum, Chaos-tainted cultists, Ork mercenaries, or Eldar wanderers. The character creation rules, as I’ve gone over during the last few months, offer a wide variety of options for players and a great deal of freedom in the types of characters—plus their skills and abilities—that the players want.

Keep an eye right here on www.ulissesnorthamerica.com for more news about Wrath & Glory coming soon!

-Ross Watson, Product Line Manager

**An Actual Englishman**

schoon wrote:
- Tiers set campaign difficulty
- Tier 1 - SM Neophyte, Ork Boy, Eldar Guardian, Imperial Guardsman
- Tier 2 - Ork Kommando
- Tier 3 - Space Marines, Eldar Warlock, Ork Nob or Wierdboy
- Tier 4 - Primaris Marine, SM Librarian
- Tier 5 - Lords

- Quick-start booklet will be at Free PRG Day

Loving all the mentions of Orks. Will hopefully be able to get a group together to play as the meenist and greenist.

Will the quick start booklet be available online or is it a hard-copy, event thing only?

Elemental wrote:
Agreed, but you need rules to give some weight to that complexity. If too few things have ready mechanical support, then I'm going to get annoyed because it feels like the game's making me do all the work, and it's nice when there's a tangible difference between different options (weapons, psychic powers, etc) that let characters feel different from each other.

Though I agree in general, I've come to strongly prefer simple and elegant systems. I think a recent Pathfinder game was what tipped the balance, where the rules-savvy players had optimised Fighter2 / Monk3 / Paladin1 / Prestige Class 4 / Magical Girl 3 / Caped Crusader 1 characters that could solo a lot of encounters, while others just ended up looking bored because they couldn't compete. A big chunk of the sessions were wasted flipping through books to find out the exact wording on one out of hundreds of spells, and a climactic boss fight turned into a joke because the DM mistook one rule for another. I'm not a teenager any more, and memorising and mastering complex systems lost its geeky charm a while ago.

Yea there's a balance to be had for sure but for me I always find it easier to add complexity rather than take it away. It's probably my group. There's nothing I hate more than the dreaded flicking through a book while you're supposed to be tensely fighting for your life against the big bad. We put a timer on player turns because combat just became tedious, lol.

**Iron_Captain**

BrookM wrote:
The proportions are a bit off on the marine.

What? How can the proportions be off on something that doesn't even have officially established proportions?

**Elbows**

It's his opinion...so it doesn't have to address anything official.

**BrookM**

From Facebook:

That Ork believes he is sneaking up on us. But we see him. We Rangers see everything.

Artist: Florian Stitz

**An Actual Englishman**

That ranger's face is fethed up... The eyes are all over the place.

**His Master's Voice**

Iron_Captain wrote:
What? How can the proportions be off on something that doesn't even have officially established proportions?

You cannot possibly be serious.

**BrookM**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
That ranger's face is fethed up... The eyes are all over the place.

Maybe the artist is paying homage to Nihei Tsutomu?

Spoiler:

**Kanluwen**

Oh, I likes it.

**Mr_Rose**

“Oh, so that’s where the Chemical X went…”

**BrookM**

We have a number of things that we are almost ready to share, but not quite. Who will save us in our hour of need?

The Tempestus Scion, of course.

Artist: Alberto Bontempi

IMHO, not pretty.

**Kanluwen**

It doesn't help that he painted the shinplates as leather instead of metal.

**BrookM**

This is way more glorious:

Spoiler:

**Chairman Aeon**

BrookM wrote:
This is way more glorious:

Spoiler:

I like that messy dream-like quality.

When's Gen*Con again...

**warboss**

I prefer the Kasrkin style of armor more personally.

**Elbows**

Yeah...a lot of this art is falling flat.

**BrookM**

I like most of what has been showcased so far, but this one isn't doing it for me mainly because this is my army for 40k, so that may be it.