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But you have to deploy forward, which is very risky.

Not if you go first.

You have to set up, then find out who is going first, and then pop the stratagem IF you go first. But your dudes are still all screwed if you go 2nd.

Or you pop it either way and move into cover out of Los if going second.

I never thought of that, to be honest. Wow, that's a 2 CP gamble in a list that is almost assuredly not a brigade.

I would burn 2 CP for a game winner.

It's not even close to a game winner. That's the real problem. It's still just assault, even if it works.

Martel732 wrote:
It's not even close to a game winner. That's the real problem. It's still just assault, even if it works.

Assaulting 1 unit could win the game tho...

A unit of 8-10 Dark Reapers with Yvairne and a Spiritseer close can Move our of LoS blocking cover > Guide/doom > Souldburst Shoot > shoot in shoot phase > move back into ignore LoS cover > Repeat every turn

If you can stop that 1 unit from doing that, that is a huge plus for you. Same thing for some other armies, there normally is 2-3 key units that if you take out right away, it makes it easier for you.

You can't reach that far, even with Forlorn fury. You gonna hit some other unit first for sure if nothing else. Remember you can't use descent after forlorn fury.

It was an example.. there are 100's of variables, you need to see the table and who your playing and how things are set up to know if you want to use it or not.

ALso you have DSing units that charge too, if you have a forward threat it gives you room to breath, or use them to hit something else.

That's true. If you have a large DC squad, and another DS bomb you probably are getting the +1, making it not such a poor gamble.

Don't you play BA?

I mean competitive lists are going to have 8-10 CP so you can spend them for things like this and not lose out. Remember even going second you can move forward into an LOS blocker then move out on turn 2 to assault. Most of the time you will still hit a screen with this charge, the hope is to do enough to kill most of the screen so your other units coming in turn 2 can eat stuff. This is likely why bolters are on these guys most times. 30 bolter shots at a few chaff squads, then charge a few others then try to tie up something with pile in moves.

Didn't this BA player misuse his stratagems the whole tournament? Either super ignorant or blatant cheater. Wasn't he caught using the Descent of Angels strat without DS? That's how he charged the fire raptor.

It's frustrating but half of being a good player is auditing your opponent properly.

 Primark G wrote:
Don't you play BA?

Yes, but I haven't been using DC that much this edition.

 Marmatag wrote:
Didn't this BA player misuse his stratagems the whole tournament? Either super ignorant or blatant cheater. Wasn't he caught using the Descent of Angels strat without DS? That's how he charged the fire raptor.

It's frustrating but half of being a good player is auditing your opponent properly.

Absolutely. Ain't not one charging my fire-raptor turn 1 without showing me the god dang stratagem first. Holy crap people.

 Marmatag wrote:
Didn't this BA player misuse his stratagems the whole tournament? Either super ignorant or blatant cheater. Wasn't he caught using the Descent of Angels strat without DS? That's how he charged the fire raptor.

Any proof of this? It sounds like a rather huge oversight if it happened like you say..

Ushtarador wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
Didn't this BA player misuse his stratagems the whole tournament? Either super ignorant or blatant cheater. Wasn't he caught using the Descent of Angels strat without DS? That's how he charged the fire raptor.

Any proof of this? It sounds like a rather huge oversight if it happened like you say..

It's been confirmed by dakka members watching the twitch feed. If you have a Warhammer TV account you can watch the game yourself.

Martel732 wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
Don't you play BA?

Yes, but I haven't been using DC that much this edition.

They must be pretty good then - I will have to give them a try.

I think that LVO proved is that Blood Angels are quite competitive, and using their iconic units, not with some spammy guimminicky combo like stormravens in the first months of 8th edition.

Maybe they can't compete agaisnt Dark Reaper spam, ok. But who can? They will be nerfed, thats for sure.

If it's the same list posted a few pages ago, I think it's illegal too. I know blood angels can have chain swords on their lieutenants but the list showed chain swords on the intercessor sergeants. I don't think they can do that.

 Galas wrote:
Maybe they can't compete agaisnt Dark Reaper spam, ok. But who can? They will be nerfed, thats for sure.

Oh wouldn't it be fun if GW does here again one of their typical boost broken unit rather than nerf it

 Galas wrote:


Maybe they can't compete agaisnt Dark Reaper spam, ok. But who can? They will be nerfed, thats for sure.

An ork green tide maybe?

BA Intercessor sergeants can take chainswords - it comes in the kit.