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the_scotsman wrote:
Probably because they learned their lesson from orks....

My prediction is that the new vanguard marines are going to be such an easy, cheap cockblock for imperial soup players to bring to shut down GSC, Orks and Smashcaptains that we won't see a whole lot of any of those and it'll just be the usual souplejerk in the top 10.

But, I may be surprised! I hope I am to be honest this meta has gotten as stale as competitive 5th at this point.

All things in tweaking. Sticking in a Vanguard Marine detachment means you can't run an optimised brigade of IG.
Same with slotting in say a DW detachment and just gunning deep strikers down.

Not to say it isn't or won't be effective - but it might not be optimal (versus say regular IG Brigade+Castelan for instance).

I agree with you about the meta though. Was hoping for big changes in the FAQs, then CA. Didn't happen. Hoping Ynnari get sorted soon, and then something is done about Soup. Not holding out much hope though.