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Here are a few of the things I noticed.

1) It is just my luck the new one comes out when I'm almost done with the previous one.

2) Somehow the size diference flips between sneak-up-on-you and glaringly obvious. From one angle they look practically identical height, from antoher, usually involving the new one in front of/next to the old one, then the head location really jumps out at you -

Technically they're the same height from a model/miniature standpoint because the bling on the old one makes up for the "man" size difference.

3) The difference from the back is even more pronounced.

4) There's a fair bit of recessed "etching" all across the model, the codpiece, the shoulder pads, the chest plate, but its most obvious on the boot fronts - and would look awesome if you can wash some sort of eldritch/neon/etc coloring into those details.

5) Look at both sides of the sprue before you clip a piece, what looks like extra from one side will look like important pegs for holes on the other side. Of course, my eyes aren't as good as they were when I was younger.

6) Its wouldn't be hard to bits this thing into a Space Wolf because it's pretty much already sculpted that way - Force Axe + the skull in the Chestplate has a VI in it. VI = Sixth Legion = Sons of Russ.

My question is, are any of the Primaris shoulder pads suitable for these upscaled Terminators? I'm looking at the models and the right shoulder pads are definitely larger than the originals and that may cause issues when using the chapter upgrade bits.

 Breotan wrote:
My question is, are any of the Primaris shoulder pads suitable for these upscaled Terminators? I'm looking at the models and the right shoulder pads are definitely larger than the originals and that may cause issues when using the chapter upgrade bits.

Doesn't matter here. Almost all the shoulderpads are not seperate. We're another new kit away from those little "upgrade" clamshells with raised detail chapter markings being useful again. On the other hand, 3D Printing "hard" transfers is pretty easy and works well if you get the right STL file. I know some people like to 3D Print everything and just skip GW models, but I've been happy just printing bits - The hard transfers - little resin symbols - slide it on/glue it down and paint it up, worst case you may need to soak in warmish water to soften it up if it doesn't quite fit - 2nd Ed Calgar banner I'm patching into the "new" Gravis version looks pretty good, print your own Smoke Stands for Assault/Vanguard/Inceptor etc Marines. I'm pretty sure they're going to kill off their own Bits market if they don't start doing something.


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Got some more put together-

Everything is Press Fit Easy-To-Build stuff - no options, Head part number 34 is not necessarily swappable with Head Part Numbers 44, 54, 64, and 74 type stuff.

The Ballistus Dread was suprisingly easy, but still pretty decent qualtiy. Can't spin the Storm Bolters, but its a model not a toy. I like the slide-on Carapace over the pilot "coffin" better than the multi-part hinged hood thing they did on the Redemptor. It just breaks too eash.

Speaking of which, the Lieutenant has a phobos helmet radio antennae - so that'll break soon. Wish they'd just give us a little metal rod and a hole to superglue the thing instead (like they gave Necron players the clear neon greenish yellow plastic thing to be their gauss flux capacitor...

To be clear:

1. The Terminator Captain's shoulder pads are separate, so could be replaced with alternate pads. However, he has a pair of mini-tilting shields that are moulded onto his shoulder pads, so if you replace the pads, you lose the shields.
2. One of the Terminator Libby's shoulder pads is separate and can be replaced.
3. All the regular Terminator pads are moulded into the arms, annoyingly.

I can quickly and easily remove the existing smooth pads. I've done it many times in the past to put chapter specific pads onto terminator shoudlers.

Edit: I got ahold of the new termie Librarian and the shoulder pads are slightly larger but it looks like the existing termie pads will fit. Dependin on the model, some filing of the shoulder may be necessary but not much. This makes me happy because I've got a lot of resin pads that aren't being produced anymore.

 Breotan wrote:
I can quickly and easily remove the existing smooth pads. I've done it many times in the past to put chapter specific pads onto terminator shoudlers.

Edit: I got ahold of the new termie Librarian and the shoulder pads are slightly larger but it looks like the existing termie pads will fit. Dependin on the model, some filing of the shoulder may be necessary but not much. This makes me happy because I've got a lot of resin pads that aren't being produced anymore.

I feel like this is just easier and safer: https://cults3d.com/en/search?q=Hard+Transfer Those things are thin and curved to get glued onto an existing shoulder pad and add raised detail chapter/Role markings. If you don't print them yourself you can usually order them from someone who does.

The pads are larger huh? That's going to be a problem then.. I specifically skipped Leviathan cuz I figured the shoulderpads wouldn't be separate pieces, thinking that they will probably be separate pieces in the multipart plastic kit versions.. but if the pads are larger than before, just slapping on a vintage FW resin pad will make the other shoulderpad look disproportional. I need to also secure extra matching crux terminatus & plain shoulderpads from the older TDA multipart kits.

Worst case scenario, I'll end up using my SMH2 minis instead.. which have better poses than these new ones and more individual looking suits.. might be a tradeoff I could live with.. although I do like the chunkiness of these new ones and the new Strom Bolters especially look much better..

 tauist wrote:
The pads are larger huh? That's going to be a problem then.. I specifically skipped Leviathan cuz I figured the shoulderpads wouldn't be separate pieces, thinking that they will probably be separate pieces in the multipart plastic kit versions.. but if the pads are larger than before, just slapping on a vintage FW resin pad will make the other shoulderpad look disproportional. I need to also secure extra matching crux terminatus & plain shoulderpads from the older TDA multipart kits.

Worst case scenario, I'll end up using my SMH2 minis instead.. which have better poses than these new ones and more individual looking suits.. might be a tradeoff I could live with.. although I do like the chunkiness of these new ones and the new Strom Bolters especially look much better..

If the shoulder pads throw you, mixing and matching the Terminators most likely definitely will. I went and found an old one - its probably from around 5th edition. Its not a Dark Vengeance model, but I would have bought it about that time.

I'm not sure how new the Termiantor Librarian sculpt I had almost finished is, but its much closer to the new Anonymous Red Shirt Terminator than a Dark Vengeance era ARS Terminator.

Breton wrote:

 tauist wrote:
The pads are larger huh? That's going to be a problem then.. I specifically skipped Leviathan cuz I figured the shoulderpads wouldn't be separate pieces, thinking that they will probably be separate pieces in the multipart plastic kit versions.. but if the pads are larger than before, just slapping on a vintage FW resin pad will make the other shoulderpad look disproportional. I need to also secure extra matching crux terminatus & plain shoulderpads from the older TDA multipart kits.

Worst case scenario, I'll end up using my SMH2 minis instead.. which have better poses than these new ones and more individual looking suits.. might be a tradeoff I could live with.. although I do like the chunkiness of these new ones and the new Strom Bolters especially look much better..

If the shoulder pads throw you, mixing and matching the Terminators most likely definitely will. I went and found an old one - its probably from around 5th edition. Its not a Dark Vengeance model, but I would have bought it about that time.

I'm not sure how new the Termiantor Librarian sculpt I had almost finished is, but its much closer to the new Anonymous Red Shirt Terminator than a Dark Vengeance era ARS Terminator.

SMH2 series Terminators are larger than the multipart plastic Terminators, so scale difference is less, but I must admit the chunk is strong in your reference pict in favour of the new sculpts. EDIT: Liked the chunk so much that just ordered a monopse squad from ebay even though I said I'd wait for the multipart plastics Oh well, they can be practise pieces..

 tauist wrote:


SMH2 series Terminators are larger than the multipart plastic Terminators, so scale difference is less, but I must admit the chunk is strong in your reference pict in favour of the new sculpts

Its hard to find a "better" quality in the older sculpt other than shorter models can fit more trays in the carrying case. Even the newer static pose looks less static because it's mid stride instead of parade rest.

I won’t be mixing the new terminators into my existing armies (Deathwatch and Dark Angels) as the size is noticeably different. The librarian will go into my Ravenguard as it doesn’t look out of place with the space marine heroes series. As for the captain and rest, they’ll join my stalled Black Templar project! Everything in that army is new so size should be good. And yes, I know I have too many space marine armies.

Breton wrote:

 tauist wrote:


SMH2 series Terminators are larger than the multipart plastic Terminators, so scale difference is less, but I must admit the chunk is strong in your reference pict in favour of the new sculpts

Its hard to find a "better" quality in the older sculpt other than shorter models can fit more trays in the carrying case. Even the newer static pose looks less static because it's mid stride instead of parade rest.

There isn't--and never really has been--anything to love about any indomitus pattern terminator squads produced pre-Leviathan. A couple characters have looked okay. They have *never* looked as good as any art has portrayed them.

The only Indomitus termies that have looked halfway decent (IMO) were the recent limited edition chaplain (call-back to the older limited chaplain termie) librarian. I extended torsos on both of them though and lowered the arms on the librarian who had a terrible case of ear-shoulders.

I was going to skip Leviathan, too, but the chonk just called to me. Gonna do some conversions for my Iron Hands straight away with them. Can't wait!

 tauist wrote:
The pads are larger huh? That's going to be a problem then.. I specifically skipped Leviathan cuz I figured the shoulderpads wouldn't be separate pieces, thinking that they will probably be separate pieces in the multipart plastic kit versions.. but if the pads are larger than before, just slapping on a vintage FW resin pad will make the other shoulderpad look disproportional.

It turns out that the pads are only slighly larger. I've done some testing with the Librarian and the old pads will fit, but I needed to file the sides of the shoulder (the arm, not the pad) so the pad could sit properly. The extended trim (sword breakers?) on the new Terminator pads are much larger than the old ones which make them look disproportionate even if they really aren't.

I'll be working on the non-character Terminators later this week and I'll see how the old shoulder pads look then.

Quasistellar wrote:

Breton wrote:

 tauist wrote:


SMH2 series Terminators are larger than the multipart plastic Terminators, so scale difference is less, but I must admit the chunk is strong in your reference pict in favour of the new sculpts

Its hard to find a "better" quality in the older sculpt other than shorter models can fit more trays in the carrying case. Even the newer static pose looks less static because it's mid stride instead of parade rest.

There isn't--and never really has been--anything to love about any indomitus pattern terminator squads produced pre-Leviathan. A couple characters have looked okay. They have *never* looked as good as any art has portrayed them.

The only Indomitus termies that have looked halfway decent (IMO) were the recent limited edition chaplain (call-back to the older limited chaplain termie) librarian. I extended torsos on both of them though and lowered the arms on the librarian who had a terrible case of ear-shoulders.

I was going to skip Leviathan, too, but the chonk just called to me. Gonna do some conversions for my Iron Hands straight away with them. Can't wait!

Looking back they often look worse than when they were new. The Terminator Assault sculpt where they redid them to have different legs etc. was a nice sculpt when it was new.

The Leviathan Terminators are far too big for me to want them. Completely incongruous with the rest of my collection.

My favorites remain the metals, both the OG Indomitus and the 2nd ed versions.

 Insectum7 wrote:
The Leviathan Terminators are far too big for me to want them. Completely incongruous with the rest of my collection.

My favorites remain the metals, both the OG Indomitus and the 2nd ed versions.

I feel that. While I do have some relic terminators from the 30k plastics, all my “normal” ones are RT metals. These guys are going to tower over their peers. Looking forward to building them. Right now I’m building the flamer guys. I figure I can run the combat patrol with the old lead until I get the new plastics up and running, but needed the burna boys.

Not that I couldn’t scrape together 5 RTB01s with flamers as a counts-as…


Hmmmm. Plan forming.