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Rebel Moon came out on Netflix.

No spoilers - there’s so much 40k-esque stuff in here, it’s crazy.

Gotta say it feels like it’s trying to be a seven samurai in space movie.

It's a rejected star wars film that was redeveloped taking inspiration from Heavy Metal/Metal Hurlant and Denis Villeneuves Dune. Basically a case of convergent evolution.

Yeah.

40K is only unique in so far as it’s a unique mix and interpretation of multiple influences.

This of course includes sci-fi and fantasy media of all stripes, real world military (modern and historical) and historical religious zealotry.

Too many friendly aliens for this to be a 40K film

And they have what seems to be an Artificia- I mean - Abominable Intellegence robot of some sort.

chaos0xomega wrote:
It's a rejected star wars film that was redeveloped taking inspiration from Heavy Metal/Metal Hurlant and Denis Villeneuves Dune. Basically a case of convergent evolution.

Yeah I heard it was originally a Star Wars pitch… feels like a seven samurai in space vibe

Grzzldgamerps5 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
It's a rejected star wars film that was redeveloped taking inspiration from Heavy Metal/Metal Hurlant and Denis Villeneuves Dune. Basically a case of convergent evolution.

Yeah I heard it was originally a Star Wars pitch… Not a thing in here that would even hint at Star Wars.

40k yes, Dune a little (but 40k was inspired by Dune)….


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Rebels fighting against an evil Empire with laser swords and their comic relief robot butler.

This is a great read - interview -

https://www.polygon.com/23840513/rebel-moon-zack-snyder-star-wars-sci-fi-preview

You're clearly only seeing what you want to see in it, but ok. I guess we can ignore the actual story of the films development from the writer/director/producer and creative staff and pretended its a 40k inspired film

I felt the movie was rushed and a little cliche & boring.

Well if there's a Reddit about it it must be true...

Two basic things from that Reddit - imperium is a real word and dune used it first. Belisarius is also a real name and gw weren't the first to use it in fiction either.

These are the kinds of examples only people brought up inside 40k think prove something. Perhaps explore things outside 40k before making silly claims.

Breaking news, SciFi media properties similar. In other news, sun still hot.

Probs gonna watch it tonight.

I’m pet sitting for friends, and they have the Netflix, as service I don’t. So may as well stick it on as something to watch whilst winding up the puppy.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Probs gonna watch it tonight.

I’m pet sitting for friends, and they have the Netflix, as service I don’t. So may as well stick it on as something to watch whilst winding up the puppy.

Oh, there are so many much better things to watch on Netflix, if you only have a limited opportunity to use their service.

Yeah but I’m a sucker for Not Very Good Movies.

I even sat through all the Snyder Cut.

I mean, I wish I hadn’t. But I did.

In this case it's a good choice. Absolute crap, I endured half of it and gave up, even though I had my expectations set very low (I'm ill right now and wanted something dumb and light so that my fevered brain can cope ...but it turns out that it can still be too dumb. And boring. And generic. ).

I was excited to see it base on the previews, but somewhere I felt that was the best of the movie, turn out to be true. Its still worth a 1-time watch for the 40k similarities. Part that made no sense was the Dreadnought ship taken down by a spear, you would think the controls are in another spot, that's just a sponson gunner.

So I just watched this movie (without even ever having seen a trailer or knowing of its existence so everything in it was "new" to me)

At first I was wondering wether it was a 40k movie because of all the adress and a plethora of detail and as it went the buildup of expectations (thinking it was) were crushed by the more tolkienish depiction of "orks"..or whatever they were supposed to be.
That every flipping "planet" looks like a human planet also doesn't really help but ok.. here's where when the credits rolled I was confused (and do note that, again' I had no idea what I was going to watch when the movie started nor who made it)



So is Zack snyder getting sued by games workshop? I think he should.. he's clearly rubbing against using WH content, albeit adjusting it just enough to irritate people that think it is, and making a mockery of it if you ask me.
Not that his movies were good to begin with but that completely aside.

-Leopold Helveine

1 - militarum is a real word. Soldiers are all similarity attired regardless - 40k stole wholesale WW1 and 2 military dress. Kommissars were a real USSR rank. The commissar outfit in 40k is just a Hugo boss SS outfit.

2 40k doesn't own orcs

3 dude riding Griffin is generic fantasy. Sigmarites are entirely holy Roman Empire and nothing original

4 guns are guns. 40k doesn't have a monopoly on guns... Wtf even is that statement?

5 a vibe is not a thing. Dune had the priest scroll tome look before 40k did

6 this is another ridiculous comment. Space ships are space ships. Being long and narrow is not an original concept

I watched it too (a mediocre watch until it falls apart at the end imo). I'm not seeing how this movie should be even 40k-adjacent.

1. The movie's militarum looked like generic sci fi troopers to me. The tone I got was one-dimensionally evil star wars imperials, not gritty grimdark "for the emperor" guardsmen. The movie is pretty obvious about this tone too, given the behavior almost all the soldiers we see willingly engage in. The commanding officers also look like the officers you see in star wars, they don't have any of the traits that make 40k's commissars; no hat (at least not for long), no sword, no "for the emperor" speeches, no bolt pistol, and worst of all no BLAMming their own dudes for heresy.

2. The ork type aliens aren't aliens, orky or even any kind of true threat. It's just a small-scale bunch of human rebels with a space savage/barbarian theme that aren't explored further (a recurring pattern in the movie; pitching a cool idea and then refusing to elaborate further).

3. Sigmarines have some obvious visual identifiers, I didn't spot any of them here. Griffins are a fantasy staple, just having one in the movie isn't enough to make it a sigmar reference. Maybe if it had played a bigger role, or if prince shirtless would have wielded a hammer, idk. Then again, given the cgi quality in the flight scene I'm glad it ended quickly (on to the next pitch!).

4. 40k's imperial weapons tend to have a boxy look to them, they're easy to recognize. These guns looked like generic sci fi laserguns to me.

5. The tech priests... yeah I can sort of see that one, though they felt more like something you'd see in dune. 40k's tech priests tend to have a body horror theme going on, these dudes were pretty clean-looking.

6. The ships look nothing alike, sadly. 40k has ginormous bulky gothic space cathedrals with prows for ramming, massed gun batteries and all the other goodies that make bfg a blast. This movie has bland and generic sci fi ships. I guess you could argue the ship the protagonists move around in sort of matches the shape of a 40k frigate if you almost close your eyes? But even that's a stretch imo; it looks like a containership, but in space. The only ship that comes close to 40k's scale is the dreadnought*, and even that'd only be a small frigate by the looks of it.

Too bad about the movie though. I went in hoping to at least get a few "THIS IS SPARTA" moments, but alas. The ending felt like a cheap trick though**.

Spoilered the spoilers:
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I didn't have high hopes for this film, but it didn't live up even to those limited expectations. At this point, I think it has to be accepted that Snyder is a rubbish director, and an even worse screen writer. The dialogue is dull, the world-building is uninspired, and most of the characters are little more than cardboard cutouts. A couple of decent performances from the cast, and a rather cool spaceship (that was barely used), are about the only highlights. Of course, Snyder's fans will claim that there is a director's cut that is superior, but even if there is I won't watch it - making it longer isn't going to cure this film's flaws. And if he was short of time, why is every fight shown in tedious slow motion?

'The Creator' was a better film. Not great, but better CGI and a more engaging story. But I got more enjoyment out of the Dr Who Christmas Special than I did out of either of these 2 films.

shortymcnostrill wrote:
I watched it too (a mediocre watch until it falls apart at the end imo). I'm not seeing how this movie should be even 40k-adjacent.
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Gorgets are not a 40k thing, they're a history thing:


Greatcoats with hats are just various militaries from WW2:


40k, Dune, this show, Star Wars. All of these draw from roughly the same historical concepts and then put them into SciFi. If anything, Rebel Moon takes every single SciFi thing it can from every single other franchise, which is fine that's how SciFi works.

I don't really get why the movie gets so bad reviews here, it's better then any background I've read in the last 40k rulebook I've bought (the psychic awakening about dark angels and thousand suns).
It's not the best movie I've seen, but I enjoyed it for the spectacle. I also liked the betrayal at the end.

I liked both the "crozius" being some sort of a leg bone of a humanoid and the bolt pistol of the main heroin. Aside of that it looked like The Magnificent Seven in space. Wasn't expecting one death that happened to happen. My father said that the ships look like old sci fi anima ships, and liked the design. To me they just looked wierd. The smaller one that got destroyed looked like a sun fish. All in all a normal movie. People cry, run around, there is explosions, and talking the way no people in normal life talk to each other.

Ah and I like their version of Vandir and cadians acting like cadians. Watched the thing between episodes of 1670, and it was entertaining enough.

You’re burying your head in the sand if you don’t see 40K as an influence. Sure, 40K takes itself from history but when you put all of those references together in one place…
Cadia flag scene
Mechanicus Militarum
Blood Axes
The imperial palace scene
Commissars
Red tech priests
Belisarius

Sure, all could be found throughout history to some degree, but in one place? That’s just 40K.

I agree with the weapons and ships, they’re simply generic, but the above mentioned similarities in one movie is too much of a coincidence.

Thank you Grzzldgamerps5 and bullyboy, can't imagine anyone can still talk this right with copes such as "this and that is real world derp", such an ingenuine excuse.
Its not about originality its about worldbuild, its about the sum of these things. When you lend an insignia already lend by something else from a real world source, yeah whatever.. but its an entire pile of 40kesque details that cannot possibly have been randomly assembled. That's not how movie sets work, every item is put there with intention, every prop is researched before it is molded. Nothing just happens to be in a movie by chance or accident.
And the 40K universe is not obscure, WH is not some niche universe, people get sued for less.

There is obvious plagiary going on with this title, I say that as a storywriter.

 bullyboy wrote:
You’re burying your head in the sand if you don’t see 40K as an influence. Sure, 40K takes itself from history but when you put all of those references together in one place…
Cadia flag scene
Mechanicus Militarum
Blood Axes
The imperial palace scene
Commissars
Red tech priests
Belisarius

Sure, all could be found throughout history to some degree, but in one place? That’s just 40K.

I agree with the weapons and ships, they’re simply generic, but the above mentioned similarities in one movie is too much of a coincidence.

Flags and standards are in no way shape or form unique to 40k in the realm of science fiction.

Snazzily dressed zealots wearing nice hats and trenchcoats are a meme.

50's 60's and 70's sci-fi want their tech priesthoods back.

Is is possible that Snyder, the writers and artists were influenced? yep.

Is it more possible that there are very few looks available for a certain style, type and feel of film that such similarities crop up?

I

It's pretty funny because when I saw the admiral, even after decades of 40k, I didn't even think of it but of Nazi Germany because if the collar thing that I don't associate with 40k. And I actually liked him because I thought he was grounded in reality, with a SHIRT AND A TIE and a Russian looking uniform. I think he is the less 40kesque character of the empire. The red inquisitorial crew, on the other hand, are exactly what I could be expecting from a 40k movie.
I must confess that the soldiers' uniform and flags made me think of 40k, if not their behavior. They wear heavy adorned body armors and helmets. But I think this movie is more a mix of every possible Sci Fi trope than just 40k. It could have been great, I actually enjoyed it, especially the first half but then it just loses it and the final is quite bad except for

I haven’t read all this thread, I’m watching the movie, but the robot introduces itself as being from the mechanicus militarum. Very 40K language


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So this isn’t a 40K movie but there is enough in there to imagine it could be set thousands of years before the known history in the 40K universe.

But it’s more likely Snyder or someone else on the movie team is a 40K nerd. Blood axes, Belesarius, lasguns and autoguns. But there are ample other examples of other influences like Samurai movies, Dune, Star Wars and so on.

If they borrowed anything from 40K it’s the idea that you can borrow as much as you want from other sources.

As for the film:
The film annoyed me, which basically means it wasn’t very good. Part 2 better be awesome because the. Part one can pass as the setup for better movies.

The first part of the film was going well, some good story (if not original) and some good character developments. Then we leave nearly all those characters behind and meet new characters that have almost no role in the rest of the movie other than looks. In marvel movies with lots of characters each character only gets about 10 mins of focus but those 10 mins count for something. Here you are waiting for each character to have its moment. I presume those moments will come in the next movie.

The taming of the griffin was a ridiculous scene

I could go on. I won’t.

If Zach Snyder hadn't wrote it, I'd be interested.