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i was just wondering which you feel are better, heavy vs standard intercessors.
is it too broad of a question or does one work better than the other?
i'm looking at making an infantry heavy gunline and am trying to decide which way to go.

I'd say mix and match. I like the heavies when they are sitting back and shooing, but they lose a lot of flexibility when they don't get any close combat weapons on their sergeant (not to mention those sweet grenade launchers).

Regular ones are not only cheaper, they get the sticky objectives thing which can be clutch in certain missions

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Regular ones are not only cheaper, they get the sticky objectives thing which can be clutch in certain missions

If you want math run, I can do that for anyone curious about how they stack up. Please provide the scenarios for me.

For instance, durability...



4.5 times more durable to Bolters.
6 times more durable to Lasguns.

Neither! Always Tactical Squads!

They both fulfill different niches;

Heavies want to be set up on a high building , preferably while also on an objective to get the extra protection, were they can blast their heavy guns across the board.

The standard ones are better moving around the mid field using their sticky objective ability to take control of objectives and move on allowing them to fulfill a lot of mission objectives.

I run a single heavy unit to hold the home objective with two standards moving forward to handle the mission objectives were needed.

thanks all.
i like that idea kinggarland.
ive also had the tactical argument with myself insectum7
i really like the new mark3 and 6 marines.

Just asking, but don't Desolation squads make Heavy Intercessors somewhat superfluous? High volume medium strength shooting?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Just asking, but don't Desolation squads make Heavy Intercessors somewhat superfluous? High volume medium strength shooting?

They do different things.

Heavy ints Have some nice shooting, but their main job is to be a massive wad of tough wounds camping on an objective.

Desolation marines are heavy rockets/glass cannons. They are only as tough as a basic marine, but have much better firepower.

They are also twice the price of HINTs.

If you want someone to camp a backfield objective, both will work. They have boots that can hold it. (although HINTs have twice the OC at half the price) But if someone comes over to take it away from you the desolation marines are going to fold like a wet paper bag, while the HINTs will endure for a lot longer.

But for projecting fire downrange? Yes the desolations are going to do that job a bit better. Until they die.

Desolation squads are overpriced for an indirect fire buff.

Go with devastator for the same price and massively more durable as you have 5 meat shields.

As for intercessors and heavies agreed withvwhate already been said. Heavies for camping normala for getting objectives

My apologies, I thought they were both expensive shooty boys. I stand corrected. Thank you.

They both are. I don't think heavy intercessors are run anywhere. They cost too much, but are no aggressors or centurions, and their resiliance doesn't really matter with what and how many shots they get hit, comparing to regular marine bodies.

The closest thing to running intercessors is probably in BT, but there it is better to run the melee version. Both are meh units, that a marine player can't afford tor run post all points hikes, but intercessors are at least cheaper for 5 models. No idea why someone would take them over scouts, the anti teleporation phobos dudes or scouts.

Both. They have different uses. I like a couple squads of the HINTS for backfield and center, and a squad of the LINTS (Light Intercessors) for deep field and stickies.

Karol wrote:
They both are. I don't think heavy intercessors are run anywhere. They cost too much, but are no aggressors or centurions, and their resiliance doesn't really matter with what and how many shots they get hit, comparing to regular marine bodies.

The closest thing to running intercessors is probably in BT, but there it is better to run the melee version. Both are meh units, that a marine player can't afford tor run post all points hikes, but intercessors are at least cheaper for 5 models. No idea why someone would take them over scouts, the anti teleporation phobos dudes or scouts.

Pretty much this. Heavy Intercessors and Intercessors are both kinda sad-panda in terms of competitiveness. That is not the only metric to determine why to take something, but there it is.

The two flavours are not highly competitive units at present, but from having faced against them, Heavy Intercessors are a big problem if I don’t have something made to kill them on their flank, regular Intercessors force me to reach in two directions at once. For a heavy infantry gunline the heavies are very on-brand

Having accrued a fair bit of driving experience with the book last year, assuming nothing radically changed in the meta, standard are your best Battleline choice. However, there are some caveats. Battleline in general, and SM Battleline in this case, are more for holding objectives than killing things.

That's not to say you can't get good performance out of the standard SM with a boltgun via buffs. But keep in mind you are paying 8 or so points per model for 2 BS 3+ S4 AP -1 shots.

thanks all.
so as a follow up, it both are less than stellar what's the best battleline to take?

Generaly for marines you don't take them at all, as they are very bad costed vs units that actualy do something.

I think the ones that could be run, but they are expensive, are the anti teleport one , I never remember if it is venguard infiltrators or incursors. They are good if you know that you will be facing an army that teleports a lot. The problem with them is that if you can't be sure of that you are getting a very expensive version of scouts.

BT, if you play them and a lot of marine players do, often do run both versions of their crusader squads. Mostly because those are very aggresivly point costed by GW. Even after point hikes.

i often forget that battleline is not mandatory.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
thanks all.
so as a follow up, it both are less than stellar what's the best battleline to take?

Points-wise? Actually Assault Intercessors! I was shocked myself, being of the opinion infantry melee is gimped, but I second-guessed myself and took a second look. At 75 points, you're getting five 2W 3+ bodies. I hesitate to say they're chaff, but you can take 6 squads for just under a quarter of your points at the usual pts level. Keep in mind their short threat range, though.

Especialy in BA or BT (used as assault intercessors or better yet as crusaders), they can be good.

 RaptorusRex wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
thanks all.
so as a follow up, it both are less than stellar what's the best battleline to take?

Points-wise? Actually Assault Intercessors! I was shocked myself, being of the opinion infantry melee is gimped, but I second-guessed myself and took a second look. At 75 points, you're getting five 2W 3+ bodies. I hesitate to say they're chaff, but you can take 6 squads for just under a quarter of your points at the usual pts level. Keep in mind their short threat range, though.

One fun thing you can do is stick a character that has a good or at least decent melee weapon with them. The character's weapon will benefit from the wound rerolls near an objective.