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I don't play GK- perhaps someone meant IG as allies?

Edit: Quoting onto the new page:

Dreamforge wrote:Making history! The world’s first 15mm - 1/100 scale, Injected plastic, science fiction model kit for tabletop gaming!
This kit has all the features and details of its big brother, fully poseable, featuring quick swap weapon arms for future releases.
This kit comes complete with advanced capacitor coolers and the Excalibur sword option!

1 for $44
2 for $79
3 for $105

Dreamforge wrote:If these gain a lot of new backers.... Everything you see for the 28mm will be made for the 15! sooooo its up to you and others as to what gets slotted after 100k!

Will be interesting to see if a bunch of new backers jump on now. At that price point... it's pretty insane! If you're ordering 3 or more, it's almost 60% less than the price these were going for in resin!

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Yes, Mark, we'd like to have a talk with you. See, you keep pushing our buttons in just the right way, and we'd like to know how you do this.

Although I wasn't planning on it, I will not most probably pledge on two of the 15mm ones, at that price.

Can anyone point me to the relevant page of Codex: GK, that says we can use Inquisitorial Stormtroopers? I swore those were out of the codex.

I wonder if I can talk one of the mods into changing my tag from "Regular Dakkanaut" to "Plastic Crack Dealer"

 RiTides wrote:
I don't play GK- perhaps someone meant IG as allies?

Even then, that would mean a single squad... and would not fill the minimum requirements. I'm really confused.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
I don't play GK- perhaps someone meant IG as allies?

Even then, that would mean a single squad... and would not fill the minimum requirements. I'm really confused.

They're not in the current grey knights codex....

Are they in the sister's WD codex?

Mark- DCMs can change their titles, I agree it's an apt description

Glad to see this. Gonna be even more excited if it gets enough backers to have different weapons and a mortis head. I'll likely be down for 2. I'll post it up on my game group page and see if anyone is interesed.

 RiTides wrote:
Mark- DCMs can change their titles, I agree it's an apt description

Damn I'm broke... Funny, that... I could not even buy my own kits if I had to hehehe...ahhhsigh.....

Yeah, I felt bad saying that as I can see that every penny of yours is going into this Kickstarter!

Just emailed my gaming group about the 4.5" tall ones, hoping some more folks will bite as that is an insane deal.

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, I felt bad saying that as I can see that every penny of yours is going into this Kickstarter!

Just emailed my gaming group about the 4.5" tall ones, hoping some more folks will bite as that is an insane deal.

I did the same, I know I'm in for 2 of the 4.5's, my group is just plain dumb if they dont want to jump on board with me from a cost savings stand point alone. Not to mention the sweet sweet model for 35 bucks

I need to go ahead and sleep, but I'm pretty sure this will have surpassed $70K by the time I wake up... unlocking the 4.5" Crusaders

NoseGoblin wrote:1 for $44
2 for $79
3 for $105

Why does a (presumably higher-selling over the long term) model requiring 1/4 the tooling cost 1/2 as much?

Necros wrote:Can you make a 3D mockup pic of a mortis with 2 nova cannons? or a mortis with any of those weapons really..

I accidentally two HEL cannons instead, but here's a quick and dirty shop:

NoseGoblin wrote:I made some changes to the shipping fees so that it is a bit more international friendly on the pocket book.

Only if you're buying at least one Leviathan.

Makaleth wrote:DAMN IT!! Why are all of these arms better than the one that comes standard

They are better, aren't they? The assault cannon has a too-small ammo box and too-thick barrels, belt and support structure, and uses the silly GW "let's shoot through a tiny secondary barrel for the giggles" gimmick. The sword has a clumsy design, particularly the puffy hilt, and a fragile attachment that prevents it from having the range of motion necessary to believably hit an opposing mech. The other weapons are much better designed and proportioned (if perhaps a little oversize overall) and the scythe is actually capable of reaching out and touching someone.

RiTides wrote:It's just one of each weapon, although maybe you can trade with others if you're after certain ones. I figure I may want the options

What kind of gonzo sprue layout makes this sensible? Put multiple copies of the one with the weapons and weapon-specific arms on it in the box already. Mark, given this and way you needed your arm twisted to provide the Stormtruppen the rifles they were missing I'm concerned you can't tell the difference between not distorting your product to accomodate their use as proxies for other games and actively sabotaging such efforts.



I'm still interested in an Eisenkern force but I feel I'd be better to wait until the next, non-Leviathan-centric, kickstarter when you'll hopefully be...better organised. All success with this one, man.

Gnight all...

 Construct wrote:

NoseGoblin wrote:1 for $44
2 for $79
3 for $105

Why does a (presumably higher-selling over the long term) model requiring 1/4 the tooling cost 1/2 as much?

I must have missed something but where were the tooling costs were published, can someone link me the post/page I missed?

I wonder if the 15mm is the right size for a Dreadknight. It would be soooooo much better than the "Baby-on-board" version.

Why does a (presumably higher-selling over the long term) model requiring 1/4 the tooling cost 1/2 as much?

Large flat areas don't cost as much to machine as details. The 1/100 scale on retains all the details of its big brother, but a whole lot less large flat area. While yes, there may be 1/4 as much plastic in the mold when it is done, that does not equate to the mold costing 1/4 to make.

You can presume it will sell better over the long term, this does not mean it will sell significantly faster in the immediate future, which is what might bring the price down. More important, your presumption is an opinion. We all know how opinions work.

I wonder if the 15mm is the right size for a Dreadknight. It would be soooooo much better than the "Baby-on-board" version.

Well its 4.5" tall. If memory serves the DK is around 4 to 4.5" tall... any one got a hard figure on that?

 Construct wrote:
Why does a (presumably higher-selling over the long term) model requiring 1/4 the tooling cost 1/2 as much?

Because that's how much the creator of the item has decided that it costs. While that sounds snarky that is the honest answer. Mark has created something, if you want a copy of it here's the cost. If you don't want a copy, for whatever reason under the sun, that's your business and your right as a consumer. Asking "well why is it this much?" is a bit crass though.

 Construct wrote:

RiTides wrote:It's just one of each weapon, although maybe you can trade with others if you're after certain ones. I figure I may want the options

What kind of gonzo sprue layout makes this sensible? Put multiple copies of the one with the weapons and weapon-specific arms on it in the box already.

Evidently the layout for the Heavy Weapons Teams that Mark and his manufacturer agreed on? Not saying that I wasn't slightly disappointed by the fixed loadout in the box, but it's far from the end of the world. If that design is a deal-breaker for you that's fine, but there's no need to descend into "well *I* could do it better" name-calling. If you could do it better, by all means do so. If you got the same quality results as Mark did in the designs (and you seem to have good insights on this at least), I'd be quite interested in your KickStarter and/or product launch.

 Construct wrote:
Mark, given this and way you needed your arm twisted to provide the Stormtruppen the rifles they were missing I'm concerned you can't tell the difference between not distorting your product to accomodate their use as proxies for other games and actively sabotaging such efforts.

Sigh.....

You just had to go and do it didn't you? You blew it up!

Damned dirty apes.

*shoves a pile of money at Mark*

Do you want my first born too?

still waffling a little bit on the exact composition of my purchase.

But it's gonna look like this so far:

1-2x (probably 2) full size Crusaders
1 10x squad of Sturmtrupen (Hello IG Karskin counts as!)
2x Nova Cannon (Hello Turbo lasers!)
1x HEL Cannon
1x ....? (Either another HEL cannon or a ripper claw.)

Any one with the IA book have the ability to confirm or deny Warhound scout titan's ability to take CCWs?

And Mark if you have a second to clarify the exact contents of a 10 model sturmtrupen squad? I read it as 10x riflemen.

The 70k limit has just been broken!!
Go mini leviathan!!

Just as a heads up I just measured my Dreadknight. From foot to the top of his carapace he's just over 4". But from his feat to the top of his shoulder pistons he's 4.5". And that does not include the base. Bascially, these will be excellent stand-in Dreadknights.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

Any one with the IA book have the ability to confirm or deny Warhound scout titan's ability to take CCWs?

And Mark if you have a second to clarify the exact contents of a 10 model sturmtrupen squad? I read it as 10x riflemen.

The Warhound currently doesnt have an option to take a titan CCW, however i dont think a single person who is playing apoc with you would begrudge you simply using it. Particularly when you would be losing out on one of the warhound's deadly weapons

As to the 10man box, i believe it is exactly that, 10 riflemen. Its just supposed to be either a little reward for those who cant pledge any more, or its an easy way to add riflemen cheaper, without 20 more guys.

LastCameTheRaven wrote:
The 70k limit has just been broken!!
Go mini leviathan!!

Nice!!

Hulk- You're right, sounds perfect. It will be beefier, by imo that's a very good thing.

No TCCW's on Warhounds, which makes me a sad panda. Hence my custom daemon engine rules yet to be released for you lot to tear to shreds

Or, you could just use a TCCW on the warhound. Balance wise, you wouldnt even have to pay any extra points.

True. The only other change is that adding a TCCW grants you and extra 3 attacks, if I recall correctly. I always thought it was silly, though, that you pay the same points for a Warhound with two of the giant flamers as you do one with two twin turbos.

So with the Iron Core range of models being offered in 15mm and 28mm scale, what will determine the order for releases?

Obviously the proxy-dreadknight status of the 15mm Crusader puts that out in front of other 15mm and 28mm releases, but when would we see storm troopers in 15mm?

Mark, how many models do you have ready to go in terms of plastic tooling? Will you plan on doing another Kickstarter next year for another Iron Core faction?


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Also, one of the things I love about Kickstarter is that with almost 400 people willing to chip in so far, they are helping to make some awesome hobby items availabe to the world and many more people will have the chance to enjoy them in the future.

Just a note to say for those that are confused with shipping etc, the new shipping calculator works a treat, just download to your computer and calculate away.

Hello,
So will there be variant arms for the mini - crusader? Or a head swap (Mortis)?

Regards,
Carl

There wont be a head swap, but Mark has hinted at variant arms for the 15mm being possible for the unkown stretch goals.

He also said a 15mm Mortis was possible.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Warhounds weren't much bigger than Knights in Epic... from what I remember a Knight Baron was as tall as a Warhound (but ganglier)

I think so. I was always under the assumption that the scale of a Knight to a Warhound was like a Power Armor is to Terminator armor. The difference being more about the armor than the weapons (though a Warhound can still carry more than a Knight). Even the actual Epic models aren't that big a difference, being mainly 25mm-based to 40mm-based, just like PA versus TA.

The big difference between the two is I don't think that Knights have any kind of Void Shields, just armor plating. It's one of the reasons that they aren't regarded as "proper titans".

Knights had one power shield, but it only provided a 3+ invulnerable from the front 90 degree arc (remember, the bases that Knights came with had a little quarter-circle marked on the 25mm slotta base).

Some Knight weapons were Titan-class (like the one Knight that had a Quake cannon, which was one of the only non-Barrage weapons that could destroy a building)

Ghiest1 wrote:Hello,
So will there be variant arms for the mini - crusader? Or a head swap (Mortis)?

Regards,
Carl

There will be - IF this campaign generates enough money/interest for them.

It is a strange situation - I'd love to get the 15mm version, but only if there are weapon variants.

But there won't be weapon variants unless enough of us buy the 15mm version!