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 Fireball wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
When I spoke to FW a couple of weeks ago to put in my order for the Open Day they said that this Friday's FW email would contain all of the new models that are available this weekend, so far we have:

The Warlord
Roboute Guilliman
Both UM Upgrade kits & transfers
HH Book V

what are the bets we get anything else? The trailer focused on the guy below, do we think we will also get these guys as well? They look different from the already shown upgrade kits?

lets just wait until tomorrow ... FW indicated that the UM would get more than 2 special units and a type of Honor Guard would be amongst them. The upgrade kits released so far are nice, but a little more bling as shown in these pictures would be appreciated ...

Or a complete kit rather than an upgrade - the "upgrades" are pretty massively more expensive at the end of the day than any of FW's complete kits, I'm quite nonplussed about them.

Doesn't every legion so far also have a special terminator unit, or at least rules for one if not models yet? So we should see some nifty looking UM terminators sometime as well.

I reckon these upgrade kits are being done this way as a precursor to the rumoured new plastic marines with different armour marks. I have a suspicion that FW are rapidly burning through Space Marine moulds, hence the need for plastics. These upgrade kits make sense when they are meant to upgrade plastic kits...

 BrookM wrote:
Conquest was IMHO a much-needed diversion from the constant power armour masturbation going on in the previous three books.

I really liked the Knights list. It's what the Codex: Imperial Knights could have been.

The 30k IG list is IG light, though. Where are the heavy weapon squads? Also, their only transports are the 150 point tank that holds 20 and the Arvis Lighter (flier). I'd like to see a chimera variant.

Anyway, it's an interesting list, just missing some stuff.


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 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Thing which has me concerned is -

1 - Are the Ultramarines just getting upgrade kits? Seems a tad unfair considering the number of unique kits given to other legions such as the Emperors Children and Death Guard.

Doubtful. In fact, they're the first Legion that got an upgrade kit BEFORE their HH book came out. I had to wait nearly a year for the Templar Brethren kits for my Imperial Fists.

Slow your roll. Ultramarines will get LOTS of love.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Doesn't every legion so far also have a special terminator unit, or at least rules for one if not models yet? So we should see some nifty looking UM terminators sometime as well.

No. Raven Guard, Imperial Fists, Night Lords, And Word Bearers don't have Terminator units (yet).

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Doesn't every legion so far also have a special terminator unit, or at least rules for one if not models yet? So we should see some nifty looking UM terminators sometime as well.

I would hope so too. My assumption is that by the time FW is done with the heresy every legion will have at least one special terminator unit. I was hoping the IF would already have one, espically with the Battle of Phall, and they dont so I hope im not dissapointed again.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Doesn't every legion so far also have a special terminator unit, or at least rules for one if not models yet? So we should see some nifty looking UM terminators sometime as well.

Imperial Fists did not get a special terminator unit or terminator shoulder pads with the HH release. Nor did the Raven Guard, Alpha Legion, Word Bearers (Well, excluding Kor Pheron) or Night Lords.

Were Guilliman's (sp?) honor guard terminators?

Edit: Double Ninja!

 kronk wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Doesn't every legion so far also have a special terminator unit, or at least rules for one if not models yet? So we should see some nifty looking UM terminators sometime as well.

Imperial Fists did not get a special terminator unit or terminator shoulder pads with the HH release. Nor did the Raven Guard, Alpha Legion, Word Bearers (Well, excluding Kor Pheron) or Night Lords.

Were Guilliman's (sp?) honor guard terminators?

Edit: Double Ninja!

Well, the fists don't get special terminators, but they do get access to the Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon...

Alpha's got the Lernaen Terminator Squad as well (Conversion Beamers and Volkite Chargers)

That AssCan that Jams!

Also, it still needs the bit so it can be made! Unless it's just a normal AssCan, but jammier.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Please don't be a £70 advertisement for the Warlord!
Please don't be a £70 advertisement for the Warlord!
Please don't be a £70 advertisement for the Warlord!

I suspect you'll be able to scratch your ultramarine itch all joking aside. Given previous books, you'll get the UM rites of war, a few special characters, the primarch, tons of fluff, and one or two special UM only units. The second book would likely add another character or two plus another unit or two.

I really wonder how they are going to represent Guilliman's masterful tactics in his rules.

Will he have the best battlefield buffs yet?

 Ashiraya wrote:
I really wonder how they are going to represent Guilliman's masterful tactics in his rules.

Will he have the best battlefield buffs yet?

Their tactical marines will be turned up to 11.

 warboss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Please don't be a £70 advertisement for the Warlord!
Please don't be a £70 advertisement for the Warlord!
Please don't be a £70 advertisement for the Warlord!

I suspect you'll be able to scratch your ultramarine itch all joking aside. Given previous books, you'll get the UM rites of war, a few special characters, the primarch, tons of fluff, and one or two special UM only units. The second book would likely add another character or two plus another unit or two.

Well, don't forget fleshing out the other stuff. They seem like they do some overlap with previous books sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised to see some more Shattered Legion stuff (especially given their factoring into Ultramar in Unremembered Empire). Plus, maybe some extras for Word Bearers, Alpha Legion, and Dark Angels - all players involved.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Please don't be a £70 advertisement for the Warlord!
Please don't be a £70 advertisement for the Warlord!
Please don't be a £70 advertisement for the Warlord!

I suspect you'll be able to scratch your ultramarine itch all joking aside. Given previous books, you'll get the UM rites of war, a few special characters, the primarch, tons of fluff, and one or two special UM only units. The second book would likely add another character or two plus another unit or two.

Well, don't forget fleshing out the other stuff. They seem like they do some overlap with previous books sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised to see some more Shattered Legion stuff (especially given their factoring into Ultramar in Unremembered Empire). Plus, maybe some extras for Word Bearers, Alpha Legion, and Dark Angels - all players involved.

In book 6 you mean? I think this one is entirely Calth, and then 6 is the shadow crusade stuff.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Please don't be a £70 advertisement for the Warlord!
Please don't be a £70 advertisement for the Warlord!
Please don't be a £70 advertisement for the Warlord!

I suspect you'll be able to scratch your ultramarine itch all joking aside. Given previous books, you'll get the UM rites of war, a few special characters, the primarch, tons of fluff, and one or two special UM only units. The second book would likely add another character or two plus another unit or two.

Well, don't forget fleshing out the other stuff. They seem like they do some overlap with previous books sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised to see some more Shattered Legion stuff (especially given their factoring into Ultramar in Unremembered Empire). Plus, maybe some extras for Word Bearers, Alpha Legion, and Dark Angels - all players involved.

In book 6 you mean? I think this one is entirely Calth, and then 6 is the shadow crusade stuff.

Hm. Good point. If this is exclusively Calth, I guess we will see stuff for just UM and WB and their rabble. Bummer if so, but I am still excited because I am ever-so-hopeful for a new Knight release. And with that, some decals for the existing 30k Knight Households too.

So is this Imperial Militia list an expansion for the Solar Auxilia army or is it something different? Personally I think the solar auxilia are a little meh compared to FW other guard ranges. IMO Krieg guardsman and Vostoryans and Elysians are much closer to how the Imperial army is described in the HH novels. Either really ornate and ceremonial like the Spireguard or functional and modern like the Calth Regiments. Not this weird steampunk scrap metal welder armor nonsense with the big trousers. They actually look more primitive than the 40k armies...

Ideally I would like to add some cheap militia to my burgeoning Ultramarines force.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I really wonder how they are going to represent Guilliman's masterful tactics in his rules.

Will he have the best battlefield buffs yet?

He'll be modelled on a scenic base consisting of a giant stack of books.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I really wonder how they are going to represent Guilliman's masterful tactics in his rules.

Will he have the best battlefield buffs yet?

He'll have the doctrine: Master of the red tape. The ultramarines get 10% more points than the other army as guilliman is able to work through all the red tape of the administration and runs a tight ship. Also he can force his opponent to reroll any rerolls that are made each turn.

I mean more like, what you'd expect him to actually have, rather than le epic memes xdddd

 Ashiraya wrote:
I mean more like, what you'd expect him to actually have, rather than le epic memes xdddd

Yes, please.

That would be nice - and on topic.

Seems like this particular thread suffers greatly from that, eh?

(No offense against anyone but the Guilliman memes are getting a bit old...)

Anyway, I would say something like Calgar's rules for Guilliman, but they seem way too strong with 30k's morale system, so I do not know.

GW and FW traditionally represents tactical and strategic skill by either

1. Manipulating reserves and deployment

2. Handing out USRs like candy

And it would not surprise me if big Mr. Codex Astartes himself would do both. The latter is already done by Alpha Legion, in a way, but the former is not something a Legion has really invested in yet.

Hmm, the other Primarchs have some pretty strong buffs though, I expect at least Guilliman and any unit he joins to have Calgar's ability to choose to pass or fail any Ld check instead of Fearless. Maybe for the rest of the army he will have a toned down version of this, such as giving a + or -1 modifier to any Ld check (players choice whether + or -). I still feel like the Ultramarine Legionnes Astartes are going to include either ATSKNF or Combat Squads in some way, as a kind of indication of the beginnings of the Codex Astartes, although if they get ATSKNF, then they probably will get no other buffs, and maybe some kind of nerf to counter how effective it is seeing as FW seem to be pretty good at balancing the Legion rules.

 Haighus wrote:
Hmm, the other Primarchs have some pretty strong buffs though, I expect at least Guilliman and any unit he joins to have Calgar's ability to choose to pass or fail any Ld check instead of Fearless. Maybe for the rest of the army he will have a toned down version of this, such as giving a + or -1 modifier to any Ld check (players choice whether + or -). I still feel like the Ultramarine Legionnes Astartes are going to include either ATSKNF or Combat Squads in some way, as a kind of indication of the beginnings of the Codex Astartes, although if they get ATSKNF, then they probably will get no other buffs, and maybe some kind of nerf to counter how effective it is seeing as FW seem to be pretty good at balancing the Legion rules.

Maybe giving the entire army a once-per game version of Calgar's rule?

If I were designing the UM I would give them ATSKNF or combat tactics as their standard legion tactic. For Guilliman in particular I'd give him reserve manipulation and either a bubble-buff (like 12'') bonus to overwatch BS or something like units that performed fury of the legion being able to shoot normally on the next turn.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
So is this Imperial Militia list an expansion for the Solar Auxilia army or is it something different? Personally I think the solar auxilia are a little meh compared to FW other guard ranges. IMO Krieg guardsman and Vostoryans and Elysians are much closer to how the Imperial army is described in the HH novels. Either really ornate and ceremonial like the Spireguard or functional and modern like the Calth Regiments. Not this weird steampunk scrap metal welder armor nonsense with the big trousers. They actually look more primitive than the 40k armies...

Ideally I would like to add some cheap militia to my burgeoning Ultramarines force.

The Imperial Militia list is completely different to SA as far as I know. In terms of like training and equipment and proficiency it goes Imperial Militia < Imperial Army < Solar Auxilia, so they should be the cheap militia you're after

Although I can't say I agree about the SA. I think they look amazing.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
So is this Imperial Militia list an expansion for the Solar Auxilia army or is it something different? Personally I think the solar auxilia are a little meh compared to FW other guard ranges. IMO Krieg guardsman and Vostoryans and Elysians are much closer to how the Imperial army is described in the HH novels. Either really ornate and ceremonial like the Spireguard or functional and modern like the Calth Regiments. Not this weird steampunk scrap metal welder armor nonsense with the big trousers. They actually look more primitive than the 40k armies...

Ideally I would like to add some cheap militia to my burgeoning Ultramarines force.

The Imperial Militia list is completely different to SA as far as I know. In terms of like training and equipment and proficiency it goes Imperial Militia < Imperial Army < Solar Auxilia, so they should be the cheap militia you're after

Although I can't say I agree about the SA. I think they look amazing.

Agreed, reading the screen in the teaser it looks like the Imperial Militia are the 30k version of the PDF, it'll be interesting to see if they use existing models or do new ones as looking at the screenshots for the Chaos Cult list they seem to be reusing the Vraks rebels.

For Guilliman I'm expecting him to be able to choose between a mix of power sword and a power fist attacks in CC. I'm not happy that so many Primarchs have I1 weapons, Primarchs are meant to be like super speed compared to a normal marine even when using an unwieldy weapon.

Imperial Fists have Bolter Drill so I can't see UM getting something too similar, a split fire option would be perfect.

Don't know if this is where it goes, but here's Girlyman.

TITAN and a new event only model

He looks pretty badass! Can't wait to see what he's like compared to a normal astartes.

Princeps is nice, love that he's half machine, but holding a good old fashioned clipboard.