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**Baiyuan**

Wow, impressive physique! I love their poses and style. They look plenty cool, but I can't help but feel a little disturbed at the sight of some of their limbs. Some just have more realistic proportions, some are far beyond.
But feth that, it's just me, they are great! They are genhanced and all so that's well possible and even without any scientific alterations nature doesn't make us to look alike.
Undor Gongor is the proof:

Now anyone can tell me one can't use 28mm models from company X with company Y because of the size comparison... That guy was a 54mm in the middle of 28mms.

P.S. I'm happy to have spoiled you weapon-conversion-wise. Special weapons deserve special pics, let see the heavy bolter in all it's splendor.

**j3r03n**

...Some of those tall guys scare me....they do look very cinematic (as in straight out of an action movie) damn impressive. Even if some are freaks as Baiyuan states hah!

**neil101**

Hi folks ,

Spent some time sorting out some the the issues with the scouts yesterday , i added baggier pants to stave off that long limbed condition, they seemed to be suffering from.

@Vik I love that the beefy catachans look like school girls next to scouts

i did try and sort out the legs , i found a pic from dow2 that goes a long way in sorting out the true scale issues of scouts , most pics show them as regular sized humans and i though this doesnt seem right , if they are proto space marines surely they would be huge too. especially towars the end of the training.

@Monkey , Protein drinks are for babies , these guys drink Stout

@Baiyuan Its a strange thing trying to do realistic art scale marines , because everyone has their own interpretations because of the intentional void Gw has created in this respect , i have seen some really nice ones over this last few months , but nearly all were to scale with the dumpy cadians , to do them to scale against true scale cadians , the needed to be even bigger, Now thats not a problem in itself , but scaling up even more , means that the arms and guns look out of proportion, with the long limbed marines , I didnt want them to look like huge gorrillas , ( well except the heavy and seargent

) they had to look nimble and agile enough, , There are so many artistics interpretations of marines , its a hard choice choosing the ones you want to represent. in the end i went for style and drama and anatomically correct bodies for this scale , They look weird becuase like you say a 9 foot guy no matter how well proportioned , will look weird against the norm, and if the norm is the weird gw proportions , ( that work for big battles and board games but not macro photography imo)

@j3r03n Cheers matey , ( you need a nickname btw that is too hard to write

) tried to eleaviate the long limbs issue , now they look like tehre wearing squiggly duds, from the weightlifting Gym

so tiny update and some reference pics .still working on the last pose of the final scout , was thinking something really dramatic, maybe taking a tau drone as a shield

**Viktor von Domm**

compared top the TS CSM the heavy bolter guy is da hulk^^ have you named him? if it weren´t for them being marines he should be named TINY...but being the stiff buttocks they are he probably has some name like battle brother minor...lol

the leg issue for my part now seems pretty solved, in fact the texture of the trousers looks very good! and does "cyclops wear a kneacapprotector? looks like that and if so

^^

vik

**Paranoia_Agent**

Awsome work! I love the marine chocking the guardsmen and the scouts look amazing.

**neil101**

Happy to have finished the scouts now and look forward to clearing up my kaka and starting some brush work

I am quite happy with them , the scale and poses i like , some of the lacklustre green stuffing , i am frustrated with , for an impatient mabn , green stuff is a curse. i hate haveing to let it cure , so nine times out of ten i dont

and end up with a gak

But I am still happy with my lose style , and have no desire to start working any other way

i think it allows me to work qiuckly and avoid boredom, I think the only time i will ever work neat , is if i was doing commision work, or for competitions.

I also started work on a TS Marine , that i thought would be part of a as yet unstarted inquisitorial warband

. something to work towards , i think. I still havent worked much on the lucky sevens, as i am waiting for more dust tactics legs that i cant afford just yet

.

Thanks for looking

@ Vik Hey mate Yep he is pretty hefty , Initiate Parvus is his name form now on , Tiny in latin. I tried to base him on the old gw scouts that looked like goliaths and wore the bell bottom leg guards , i loved those guys when i had advanced space crusade, so he was a homage to them .

Spoiler:

http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/ar/t55.htm

and the scout does wear a knee protector

@Paranoia Agent , hey matey , Thanks a lot , just need some paint on em now.

update: tried to get this last guy to add some dynamism to the group. he looks taller than the rest , but thats just his basing.

**monkeytroll**

Nice one, he certainly does look a touch more dynamic

**Viktor von Domm**

a touch? a touch? i should think more a grab^^

very cool pose... i think quite fitting...if you are a hulking space marine adept you would also not just shoot your enemy but smash him with every thing at hand ...even if the next thing at hand is one of your enemies...^^ because lets face it, they might still look cool as scouts but they crave the suit...dontcha think so?^^
and a bit the new pose reminds me of ...how to put it... captain america...
also seeing those scouts in all their GS glory, i jhave to say that nice green suits them quite well...maybe a future hint on the paintjob to be...

**neil101**

@ Monkey

@ Vik Lol captain america is what i thought too

, I doubt green though as thats what Noble 9th are and probably the lucky 7s, more likely red or blue , not really sure actually.
i havent thought of fluff for them at all.

**Viktor von Domm**

hmmm... red and blue...well how about yellow and black? that could work well with them as i see them heavy weathered with their shoulderpads...

besides just checked their bases and i think they look beautiful...even now unprimed and anpainted... seems to me you choose your materials in a subconcious way that they fit together in the WIP phase as later too...

**monkeytroll**

neil101 wrote:i havent thought of fluff for them at all.

What heresy is this? (Apart from the lower-case 'I' that is

) Neil making models with no thought of the fluff behind them? I sense a doppelganger..

**Viktor von Domm**

this might be the cause if i can´t get to sleep now... that sutherland gives me the creepers something cruel...same with his son... they both are best locked behind bars and then some nuke above should be droped...

**shasolenzabi**

I like it Neil, I alwasy wondered why GW made the IG appear to be armorless SM In height and scale? I mean the basic marine should be at least a head TALLER than IG at the very least, and here you had that one guy on the base, no rocks or wreckage that showed quite well how tall they ought to be once the bones and musculature were enhanced. Excellent!

**neil101**

Hey Ho dak.

Been working on the true scale sm today. I had decided that I wanted to use him for an inquisitorial warband, with that being the case I took the oppertunity to do some gothic work on him. Originally he was going to be a regular tactical marine. Now He is a Death Watch brother captain of the watch.

Former Wolf guard veteran. Currently on a classified mission to retrieve geneseed containers from the besieged Sythes of the Emperor , on death world Miral. Surrounded and cut off by hive fleet Kraken , the remains of the decimated chapter, are putting on a gorrilla war. Desperate to save the lineage , the chapter master requseted help, and inquisitor Vendrake and the death watch answered.

Spoiler:

@ Vik , yellow black , i like that Vik , Great minds think alike , Sythes of the emperor it is for these boys

now it all makes sense http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Scythes_of_the_Emperor

@Monkey Good job I missed that sutherland pic last night , or I too would be suffering from the body snatcher nightmares ..( Shudders )
Fluff problem eleiviated thanks to vik , the scouts are part of the remaining Sythes of the Emperor Chapter stranded on death world Miral , see above

@Shazo Thanks Shazo , i tried really hard to do justice to the height thing, from a artistic point of view i prefer huge dramatic marines , that could squash you with one boot, but i doubt i would build a whole army this way , too much hassle.

I have this recuring idea of a Mrine droppodding into a civalised world and saving its inhabitants , and them looking on gobbsmaked at his huge size, and only then realising thats why they and everyone eles worships the empreror

So C&C welcome , i havent condireded him finished yet , so any ideas or chnages will be greatfully listend to

Introducing Deathwatch captain of the Watch Former, Wolf Guard Veteran of Fenris ..... Brother Captain Vanaheimr

Plucked from the venerated Fenrisian Wolf guard by Inquisitor Vendrake at the tender age of one hundred and one. Vanheimr excelled in the tight knight deathwath brotherhood. Losing his right arm to a Tyranid Heirophant Bio titan whilst defending the emabattled Scythes of the Emperor scouts on the Miral death world. replaced with a Commisar yarrick Powerclaw replica many years later , by skilled death watch techpriests.

**HF Izanagi**

Hotdayum!! Those TS-scouts look awesome!! I'm definitely a fan of very-dynamic miniatures versus subdued/regal. That final scout looks as if he just revealed himself in some kinda crazy John Woo sneak attack!

I like that marine as well (all of them, in fact) - I like also that your method is different from the ways other people have done it- lots of greenstuff work and big, ragged, billowing capes with texture.

This is fantastic work!! You're making me want to go TS with my 1K sons... but too much work has already gone into them! No matter... perhaps a TS Dornian Heresy Ultra-smurf army in the future? That Damocles-style armor is the business!

-Remi (HF Iz)

**Viktor von Domm**

hey neil, was a bit nonplussed by the style of the fluff... until i understood that it was in fact official and not from your quill...so i have made an impact it seems *blushes of pride* well there is a thing with black and yello...will you do the same scheme as schon for the scythes or will you adapt it in a way...for me a fairer torso looks like an invitation to shoot off some bodyparts.... instead i would suggest giving them something like that:

the new marine model also surprised me... at first i had some orky feel but after reading a bit of the fluff his transformation made sense to me...he is even bigger than the scouts and this is fully logic as he is wearing power armor and he should look thus bulkier...
i hope these get some lick of paint soon...

cheers, vik

**Baiyuan**

Two things:
1. IMHO the drone as a shield is complete crap and ruins an otherwise excellent model. Just me, no offense, just honesty.
2. I want to have babies with you! The reason is your TS marine. It seems like you slapped that guy together in a couple of hours, which would have taken others a month or two and he turned out great.

My personal highlight is the backpack. I hate it when people bulk up their marines insanely, but equip them with standard backpacks. Tons of detail and great pose are also a big plus.
Only downside and only a really nitpicky one, he has got a bit too much parchment and cloth going on for a SW, imo even for one under deathwatch command.

**medabee**

.... That is an incredibly dynamic pose for the powerklaw guy, Dynamic Entry,.

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Screee, in the vents.

**Scarper**

Neil! Amazing work as always, loving this true-scale patch you're going through! The space wolf in particular is a tour de force - feels like you've got the proportions nailed down. I think some of the arms on the scouts could use a tiny bit of work (the guy with the cyclops visor, for example, looks like his R arm starts a little too far down his body IMO, though it may just be the camera angle!), but as a whole they are awesome. Once again, can't believe how quickly you're knocking out such spectacular work! (Your IG are still my favourite though - no need for all this pansy massive armour and genetic engineering...)

@Baiyuan - Hahaha, you don't mince your words, do you mate?

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Almost forgot: Sewer system - mind blowing. Can't form sentences anymore.

This:

Hoooooooooooooow?

**Dawi-Marine'Va**

Looking good!

**weetyskemian44**

wow! Those truscales have some epic poses! Looking forward to a lick of paint.

And of course love the sewer! You are making me look unproductive...

**Perkustin**

Souperb! Your truescales are improving with every model! You certainly seem to have unearthed alot of cool bits for your models.

**HF Izanagi**

Wow, yea... I second Scarper- can we get a quick rundown on that rust technique..? Or did you actually use a rusty pipe for that??

Good stuff!

-Remi (HF Iz)

**monkeytroll**

Liking the new guy a lot. Really enjoying the whole gothic, billowing capes and parchment thing you've got going with these guys, very evocative.

**neil101**

Aye up guys , hope your all well

sorry this blog has being neglected for the last few weeks , had some heavy personal stuff to sort out , wont go into detail as i am using dakka to move past it , but dont worry , Amber and the boys are fine as am I

well all except for the odd argument about pocket money and washing up duties

oh yes and if anyone missed the pimp my wizard and pimp my sorceror fun and games , i am working on a new project

for baiyuan and peters competetition that Panic is also running

here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/376647.page and here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/378516.page

So i know Vik is on vacation , from dakka

hope your having a great time with the family Vik

i have promised to post fluff for the project in the forum , but i can work on the rest onf the models in here

Their will be around five with one being made in the pmw forum.

havent started any yet though

@Hfizanagi thanks matey , i think you heresy boys look fine enough in regular scale, i would never consider true scale for an army , far too much work , and money

@Vik i will probably go for yellow chest and black pants for the sythes , but i am rather fickel so that could change. lick of paint on the way

@Baiyuan

staright to point as per Baiyuan , although i do agree with you , the tau shield has now gone replace with a plasma pistol , never let it be siad i cant take constructive critism however it comes

as for the babies , man i already have three , maybe next year

i nearly never upscaled the backpack , but he is so big it looked stupidly small , quite happy with the style , although is a little thin needs more depth really. and sorry the flowing flowy flows are gonna stay , thats just a personal thing i love . i might neaten them up a little in future as i tighten my style though

@medabee thanks medabee.. scree in the vents ?

@scarper cheers matey , totally agree that the some of the scouts need some work , infact the cyclops one was my first and i really dont like him now,

gotta get changed

Ig are always my favourite one man one lasgun one universe

will be working on them soon i think.

@Dawi-Marine'Va thanks

@weety its not possble to make you look unproductive , but monkeys grots are doing a fine job for me though

@Perkustin thanks mate, i think i get a tiny bit more patience with every model. the bits are from some of Baileys ultra smurfs

@Hf Izanagi scarper , the rust is just sponged on burnt umber acrylic , using kithen sponge then a couple of lighter browns for depth. just like idid with the tank , not sure what page thats on though, next time i do a building i shalll document it. oh and then pastels shaved on top

**moonshine**

Holy crap those models are awesome. I cannot wait to see them painted.

**monkeytroll**

Comic looks cool,and I'm sorry to hear you're still arguing with Amber about your pocket money. Now go do the dishes like a nice boy.

Reference stuff looks interesting, but that'll wait till tomorrow now for a good browse.

Take it easy..

**sennacherib**

REally awsome work i love what you did with the water flowing in the sumps of your diorama. Awsome. the foam and the color of the water was really well done. good job.

**neil101**

Thanks peeps ,
@moonshine cheers mate , i really do need to paint them up asap.

@Monkey

lol, i did the dishes

added a few more links .

i am particularly interested in this version of lilith / lilitu reminds me of a 40k deamonette , i guess this is in part its progenitor along with Ardhanarishvara the halfmale half female version of Shiva

Spoiler:

@Thank you sennacherib ( cool name

) using liquid nails for the base and realistic water effects made it very simple

nearly as cool as your scratch built unclean one

**dantay_xv**

Loving those scouts, they look pretty feral