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ced1106 wrote:
SoB was designed by the Warhammer Quest folks, so this shouldn't be surprising. At least enjoy the game!

First I've heard of that. Andy Jones and Gav Thorpe? Doesn't sound like Jason C Hill. In fact, I don't think they have any staff in common.

Correct, FFP has nothing to do with the guys who made WHQ.

For the record, I've been assembling the grey plastic stuff and find it much more pleasing than the reds. Dunno if colour is the only difference, but even so they just seem nicer.

 Alex C wrote:
Correct, FFP has nothing to do with the guys who made WHQ.

Yeah, that's what I thought!

What an odd rumor to unleash now - maybe that would've 'made more sense' early in the actual campaign, but where does that come from now?!?

 Alex C wrote:
Correct, FFP has nothing to do with the guys who made WHQ.

For the record, I've been assembling the grey plastic stuff and find it much more pleasing than the reds. Dunno if colour is the only difference, but even so they just seem nicer.

Are you planning on painting them?

I couldn't think of anything useful to do with the alternate colored figures so I opted to paint them up and sell them on eBay.

Bug Titeman for more info about SoB's ties to WHQ: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1233827/shadows-warhammer

EDIT: I can't find the original post that said what I said, so I'll take back my previous post, entirely. These miniatures just plain blow, considering other boardgame plastic I have to clean and assemble. Would pick it up on trade or a MM Daily Deal, but glad I missed this one.

 Fireflyjmh wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Correct, FFP has nothing to do with the guys who made WHQ.

For the record, I've been assembling the grey plastic stuff and find it much more pleasing than the reds. Dunno if colour is the only difference, but even so they just seem nicer.

Are you planning on painting them?

I couldn't think of anything useful to do with the alternate colored figures so I opted to paint them up and sell them on eBay.

Someday, but they're not a priority.

LOL!

I can understand that! Hopefully you get to play it soon, I've enjoyed it. The one thing I'll say is that the saloon girl is key because she can heal characters.

I've played it 3 times now. Very enjoyable game! Many characters have access to healing abilities and anyone can take bandages, so it's usually not a problem for us so far. The little bit of healing after each fight is nice too.

We've played twice, just the intro missions and had a blast! I'm anxious to start jumping into the other worlds to see what that is like, however, until the wave2 world-specific encounters are around I'm not sure it will be that much different. We'll see though, overall pretty pleased with the game.

 Alex C wrote:

 Fireflyjmh wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Correct, FFP has nothing to do with the guys who made WHQ.

For the record, I've been assembling the grey plastic stuff and find it much more pleasing than the reds. Dunno if colour is the only difference, but even so they just seem nicer.

Are you planning on painting them?

I couldn't think of anything useful to do with the alternate colored figures so I opted to paint them up and sell them on eBay.

Someday, but they're not a priority.

Are there actually ways of using them in the game? As is, can 2 people play as a Saloon Girl in one game, or does that require character cards that you won't have? Is there ever a situation where you'd be spawning multiple groups of monsters in a room? If not, does the game have a Warhammer-Quest like option for resolving room spawns via a table rather than cards, so that you can modify things that way?

Fireflyjmh wrote:We've played twice, just the intro missions and had a blast! I'm anxious to start jumping into the other worlds to see what that is like, however, until the wave2 world-specific encounters are around I'm not sure it will be that much different. We'll see though, overall pretty pleased with the game.

You should have Targa and/or Jargono world-specific encounters in the core sets.

Bioptic wrote:
Are there actually ways of using them in the game? As is, can 2 people play as a Saloon Girl in one game, or does that require character cards that you won't have? Is there ever a situation where you'd be spawning multiple groups of monsters in a room? If not, does the game have a Warhammer-Quest like option for resolving room spawns via a table rather than cards, so that you can modify things that way?

Any number of people can play the same class. If you don't have enough character boards you can photocopy blank ones from the Adventure Book (you'll use these anyway in linked games). You can absolutely have situations with multiple monster spawns, even more spawning during a fight sometimes. No tables for spawns.

I'm planning on running a pure bandido posse.

Nothing but explosives and fistifcuffs.

Hilarity will hopefully ensue.

Even moreso once we have all the alt figures in our hands.

I'll echo the grey pieces are nicer to work with. Easier to pick up the details. At least with all the extras I've got some ready made elites to contend with.

I love the growing dread aspect. Watching that stack continue to pile up... not pleasant, especially when you know your posse will have an epic threat to deal with as well. It really does give a sense of impending doom.

Remember that Growing Dread can be cancelled if everyone uses a Grit...

On the subject of Growing Dread, if a Growing Dread card revealed in the Objective Room moves the Depth Tracker to a Growing Dread space, are we supposed to draw another Growing Dread card? Or ignore it?

ced1106 wrote:
Bug Titeman for more info about SoB's ties to WHQ: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1233827/shadows-warhammer

EDIT: I can't find the original post that said what I said, so I'll take back my previous post, entirely. These miniatures just plain blow, considering other boardgame plastic I have to clean and assemble. Would pick it up on trade or a MM Daily Deal, but glad I missed this one.

Bug Titeman? Nah, I'll just assume that he's talking out of his arse and that his unattributed comments are just getting parroted around on the internet. Like in this thread. Actually, I heard that Andy Chambers and Rick Priestly wrote the game whole on their summer holidays from GW a few years back - along with Nigel Stillman, but they had to keep it all hush-hush.

Some guy on BGG posted a link to a Citadel Journal on Scribd with an article by Hill on BB players in WHQ. I wonder if he knows how the Citadel Journal worked? Getting an article published in it doesn't mean you worked for workshop or had a design position there.

I finally got a shipping notice for my copies of SoB!

So a week from today I'll get to see for myself...

I just got mine in today, looking at it - seems pretty boss.

I hate both of you.

I mean... I hate FFP.

Gak.

.... *grits teeth* I am so very happy for everyone that has won the shipping lottery today.

 Forar wrote:
I hate both of you.

I mean... I hate FFP.

Gak.

.... *grits teeth* I am so very happy for everyone that has won the shipping lottery today.

If it makes you feel better, mine was supposed to be here on the 25th, and then last minute they were like "Lol, maybe monday ya dick!" So I spent the whole weekend tweaking.

Is that like twerking?

Worse. It's the need to twerk and yet being unable to. Gnawing at you, feeling like an exposed nerve.

But seriously, it would be nice if FFP got the word out as to how things are going with US/EU distribution, and tossed us ROW folks a bone. The comments are getting testy, and we're barely into Month 2 of what was estimated to be a 3 month shipping adventure.

By "tossing us a bone" do you mean telling us that we're boned? Because shipping is apparently hard and they haven't had any opportunity or time to work out how much these things might cost or solutions to the issue.

Unless you buy them off the webstore, in which case - worldwide free shipping!

From the Comments page of the Kickstarter

Adrian "Sheriff Adrian Meyers" Boddice about 1 hour ago
Just got a response from FFP;
We are still working on a better shipping price for AU backers. There was, unfortunately, no movement on this for the past two weeks because we were in Germany with no wifi.

Seriously? *sigh*

Well, looks like any chance of Australians getting it before end of year are all but out the window. At this rate, having it for CanCon (January 23rd to 26th) is unlikely. Not impressed with the response above. We went from "simultaneous US + Non-EU ROW" to a month later, yeah, we're still working out HOW to ship it. That they blew two weeks indicates to me a complete lack of priority. Especially if they do go retail before end of November.

Glad I didn't waste my money on Wave 1.5. Really quite pissed.

Yeah, I still don't get that.

Spend $200 on the webstore: free shipping.

Spend $180 a year ago: get fethed.

... look, if that $20 is THAT important, I'm sure at least some Aussies are willing to pay it.

I mean, that's reductive, I get that they have to account for both the current package AND whatever giant package wave 2 will make up (surely a good size for Outlaws, and a huge one for MC's), but seriously guys... this shouldn't be this hard.

Apparently my earlier joke was truer than I realized. Forget shipping, time to hope they start attending Canadian conventions. Seems to be the only way for the ROW to get their stuff in a timely fashion.

Germany doesn't have WiFi?

Huh!

These guys need to try harder both in figuring out how to ship everything to everyone, and also in coming up with better excuses when they don't/can't!

It is a shame that so many of these KS projects get derailed in the shipping phase of things. Honestly, you'd think that would be the easiest part of it compared with printing, lining up artists, molds, etc.

 Fireflyjmh wrote:
It is a shame that so many of these KS projects get derailed in the shipping phase of things. Honestly, you'd think that would be the easiest part of it compared with printing, lining up artists, molds, etc.

Or not.

Shipping, with the variable rates that continue to increase and the lack of control most companies have when getting stuff shipped, via boat, from China, is one of the hardest things to account for in a project.

This has been supported by MULTIPLE established companies that have run KS projects.

I stand corrected.

 cincydooley wrote:

Shipping, with the variable rates that continue to increase and the lack of control most companies have when getting stuff shipped, via boat, from China, is one of the hardest things to account for in a project.

This has been supported by MULTIPLE established companies that have run KS projects.

Freight today is the same as freight tomorrow which will be the same as freight in a decade time, the prices might change but the methods wont. If they thoroughly investigated the options early in the KS and then simply updated their information (price/timelines etc) at the appropriate time then the decision is a simple one.

Air or Sea
Individual parcels or Palletized Orders
Full container load or partial container load
Direct to customer or organize a distribution hub

I think it is pretty obvious that MULTIPLE companies dont have a clue when it comes to freight which is evidenced by the stupidly low extra shipping charges for international pledges. This is compounded by multiple waves of shipping.

Yes, prices do change in a year or two but if you look at Kickstarter threads one of the first things that interational customers look at is freight costs and when those customers say things like "their going to make a loss with us" before the KS hasnt even ended, it is plainly obvious that these companies are either getting some amazing freight deal or are seriously cutting their throat looking for international customers.

Here are some examples of "wow thats cheap" KS freight charges
MERCS: Recon - Add $24 USD to ship outside the US
MERCS: Myth - Add $13 USD to ship outside the US
Shadows over Brimstone - Add $25 USD to ship outside the US
Robotech - Add $30 USD to ship outside the US
Sedition Wars - Add $25 for international shipping.

 MangoMadness wrote:
Here are some examples of "wow thats cheap" KS freight charges
MERCS: Recon - Add $24 USD to ship outside the US
MERCS: Myth - Add $13 USD to ship outside the US
Shadows over Brimstone - Add $25 USD to ship outside the US
Robotech - Add $30 USD to ship outside the US
Sedition Wars - Add $25 for international shipping.

While those are still low, there's also the initial shipping factor that needs to be included. Example, Robotech Tactics and Shadows provided "free" (read "factored in") shipping on their domestic pledges. So the actual shipping costs collected are nominally higher. No idea what shipping within the US is, but it'd have to be $10+ per box, no? So that'd be $40 and $45 (two boxes for SoB) respectively. Not enough, obviously, but not as bad.

The only reason I bring this up, is because I've noticed several campaigns since, Reaper's CAV being the one I'm most familiar with, that has factored in shipping for their base price, THEN wants international freight costs on top of that. So, in essence, I would be paying part of the initial pledge for shipping I don't get a rebate on. Thankfully I'll be sending it to family in Indy, and lugging it home after GenCon (next year if it's on time, the year after, if it's not).

At least with DP9's Heavy Gear, there's a fixed shipping price for US/Canada, and a replacement cost for international. So everyone pays shipping. But taking that into account, I went big and so don't have to worry about shipping at all. Hope they factored that in.

I believe it's a standard requirement of KS that shipping has to be included in the pledge tier for the country it funds in ("Free shipping", but let's be real, nothing is free, at least some of that money is dedicated for shipping unless they're morons).

I mean, they'd have to be crazy to not account for the cost of shipping hundreds or thousands of packages out. Physical rewards (production of and shipping of) have been KS margin killers for years. People were talking about losing money on KS campaigns due to irresponsible physical rewards (especially for otherwise non-physical objects like video games) for at least 3 or 4 years.

That shipping costs and challenges remain 'a thing' for so many campaigns is indicative of people simply not doing their research. Yes, some years can go by and shipping costs can jump unexpectedly, and let's not forget that money received during the campaign gets a good 8-10% or so haircut, so that $40 for shipping might only be $36 or so, etc.

I empathize with the matter, but this shouldn't be a shocker to anyone, so that empathy does only go so far.

The costs going up 5 or 10 percent or whatever, that's unfortunate. "omg shipping to Australia is a big thing" really shouldn't be a surprise.

Edit: also, let's keep in mind that Australia keeps getting bandied about as The Worst Case Scenario: What The Feth?

But it's not like Canada should be a big deal, to look at a simpler (and admittedly self serving) other part of "ROW".