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They said they would be updating this evening.

I was a Myth completionist, now thanks to Recon I won't be.
Can't justify the cost for the Myth Only pledge (~half that of the SDE pledge.)
As I won't have a complete set of Myth, I suppose I'll find it easy enough to skip the next Myth kickstarter if it's a shadow of the first.
I was looking forward to Recon launching, but with SDE:FK's potential value I'll have to side with that instead.

PomWallaby wrote:
I was a Myth completionist, now thanks to Recon I won't be.
Can't justify the cost for the Myth Only pledge (~half that of the SDE pledge.)
As I won't have a complete set of Myth, I suppose I'll find it easy enough to skip the next Myth kickstarter if it's a shadow of the first.
I was looking forward to Recon launching, but with SDE:FK's potential value I'll have to side with that instead.

You could always see if someone that is pledging would be willing to add on extra of the Myth components for you, but that will depend on the cost of adding them.

 Ahtman wrote:

PomWallaby wrote:
I was a Myth completionist, now thanks to Recon I won't be.
Can't justify the cost for the Myth Only pledge (~half that of the SDE pledge.)
As I won't have a complete set of Myth, I suppose I'll find it easy enough to skip the next Myth kickstarter if it's a shadow of the first.
I was looking forward to Recon launching, but with SDE:FK's potential value I'll have to side with that instead.

You could always see if someone that is pledging would be willing to add on extra of the Myth components for you, but that will depend on the cost of adding them.

My circle of gamers all pulled out of Recon at various stages. Most of their reasons are covered by other posters earlier. It's just a shame that it's a handful of myth figures have more pull than Recon itself.

But it isn't over yet. Maybe there will be something crazy in the last 48hrs.

Like been reasonable?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Like been reasonable?

$40 for the 6 figures and hero deck are nothing to write home about (@ the $500k mark),...... but if they have some additional MYTH content above that (which they say they have), they it could become a good deal.

3 days left and they do not post an update for passing a strech goal, been at pax is no excuse.

They just confirmed that the extra unlocked MERCS team members will be added to the retail boxes (not an extra purchase when it goes to retail)

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
3 days left and they do not post an update for passing a strech goal, been at pax is no excuse.

They really screwed up their timing for this launch. They should have finished shipping MERCS - and Adepticon and PAX would have still been on during their campaign, but PAX wouldn't have been distracting potential backers (and themselves) while the campaign ends...

More than that, they barely gave any information. They only explained the basic mechanics of the game and didn't provide any specifics as to how the different teams play.

Even now, they only provide info for CCC and EU. How about the other teams? Why should I pledge for this game when they cannot bother to give a proper update. Update #37 was great...except why was it update #37? That should have been in the first 5.

Now they are waiting for pictures before the next update...WHY? Are they seriously going to put up more stretch goals that barely add anything new to the game at 550k+? They probably won't even get to 500k based on how the last 2 weeks went.

I hope they have some more team info,.... Because you are dead right,.... That is info that should have already been up.


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 yamato wrote:
They just confirmed that the extra unlocked MERCS team members will be added to the retail boxes (not an extra purchase when it goes to retail)

My mistake on this,.... This was a confusing set of comments on the KS page,..... No additions to the retail box. All stretch goal items are either available later for sale, or are exclusives to KS.

Oops

meh, anyone sensible would think those 4 Stretch Goals that added 2 extra minis to the teams in the base game would probably be a retail box upgrade...They need to clearly label their stretch goals as "Expansion" and not offer it like they are currently.

On a side note...what's with the ridiculous number of addons in this Kickstarter? In Myth everything (for the most part) was free, now they are charging us every penny. Guess after 1 successful Kickstarter they figure they can get away with asking for much more money for a whole lot less.

Stretch goals have been lacking...

arog wrote:
On a side note...what's with the ridiculous number of addons in this Kickstarter? In Myth everything (for the most part) was free, now they are charging us every penny. Guess after 1 successful Kickstarter they figure they can get away with asking for much more money for a whole lot less.

Or they gave away to much with Myth and they don't want to make that mistake again. They may also be over-correcting as well, but it is still a good deal just on minis at this point.

Also, there are more uniques sculpts already than MYTH had at the end,.... The tooling costs are much higher for what they are trying to do here.

As a board game player...I don't care for unique sculpts. They could all look identical for all I care. I guess they haven't figured out if this is a board game or a TT kickstarter I suppose.

Update looks interesting..but still no more info about the game and more stretch goals that will be missed most probably.

The new $100 mission pack bundle could be a great deal if it hits some of these goals:

Holy gak Batman, are these guys full of themselves.

I know some people will be happy about the snipers, but none of those goals are making me want to back this, AND they didn't put anything in there for the Myth folks, just making their $40 pledge seem worse, as there are no goals in sight, and I don't see breaking that $600k to make that all-in $100 better.

I don't know what they're saving for the second half of their update tomorrow...

Well,... That's where they said the MYTH content will be,....

I think it will get there,... But they really need to put up the info on how the other factions play,... It's so close to being awesome,... The masses want more info,... And they've been clamoring for weeks about it.

95% of the commentors on the Kickstarter are so busy sucking the proverbial chicken they cannot bother to understand why the Kickstarter won't succeed.

They are asking for beta CONFLICT rules...a game that is just thrown in for free and had more than enough rules in the 45 minute video. I have been pushing Mercs to give more information about Recon, the game they are trying to Kickstart from what I can tell, about the different teams, potentially about loadouts, about missions etc.

These people commenting have blown up so much smoke up Megacon's ass they cannot bother to pay attention. They honestly think they are going to get $200-300k in the next 3 days.

Guess this is an important lesson to all future Kickstarters. Kickstart 1 game. Don't bundle new games at an additional level. If it is an established game, go for it. But don't try to Kickstart 2 or 3 new games at a time. You are going to spread yourself thin and can't keep up with demand the pledgers will want.

WIll the snipers come with the cards making them usable in Recon? How will snipers work in Recon?

And again, just like theFCC saboteur, can I use them in Recon without having their faction? Or are they indirectly stating, feth You Recon folks, this is all about the Table Top game?

 CptJake wrote:
WIll the snipers come with the cards making them usable in Recon? How will snipers work in Recon?

And again, just like theFCC saboteur, can I use them in Recon without having their faction? Or are they indirectly stating, feth You Recon folks, this is all about the Table Top game?

They say that the models will come with Recon and TT 2.o rules.

arog wrote:
95% of the commentors on the Kickstarter are so busy sucking the proverbial chicken they cannot bother to understand why the Kickstarter won't succeed.

They are asking for beta CONFLICT rules...a game that is just thrown in for free and had more than enough rules in the 45 minute video. I have been pushing Mercs to give more information about Recon, the game they are trying to Kickstart from what I can tell, about the different teams, potentially about loadouts, about missions etc.

These people commenting have blown up so much smoke up Megacon's ass they cannot bother to pay attention. They honestly think they are going to get $200-300k in the next 3 days.

Guess this is an important lesson to all future Kickstarters. Kickstart 1 game. Don't bundle new games at an additional level. If it is an established game, go for it. But don't try to Kickstart 2 or 3 new games at a time. You are going to spread yourself thin and can't keep up with demand the pledgers will want.

Uh, just a thought, but hasn't the kickstarter already reached enough funding to go ahead and produce the game? I understand they could make more money(and from what I've seen, they won't be making any of mine), but isn't the kickstarter already successful as-is?

arog wrote:
95% of the commentors on the Kickstarter are so busy sucking the proverbial chicken they cannot bother to understand why the Kickstarter won't succeed.

Well,.... I'll agree that they are all a bit blind to reality,... But I think you are a bit harsh on your judgment,......

It may suffer,... And could have been bigger,...... But it has indeed already succeeded,.... Even if it ended right now!

They still have a shot,... If they put out the right information,..... What the fence sitters see when the go to the page in the final 48 hours will make the KS what it ends up being,.... Have the right stuff there,... Maybe a cross promotion like they did with KD for MYTH,..... And who knows how big it could get,.....

$200-$300k in the next 3 days,...... Easily possible,..... But it would be much more attainable if the info that backers have been begging for would be posted.

Tell people how the different factions play, how the special characters work (even if it's not final)!!!!!!! This is what the fence sitters have been asking for,... Give it to them, and it will skyrocket.

Nod. It's clearly a successful campaign by any sensible metric. It's just not what it could have potentially been.

It is "successful". But I think this could have really gone up, close to ~800k. To be honest, if it's not a first game (like Myth was) I think most Kickstarters are only successful if they fund over 1000% of their initial pledge.

Honestly, these stretch goals probably should have come sooner in the campaign. They should've been throwing in the expansion packs with pretty much every goal, that way they could at least ensure that the majority of them would be available by the campaign's end. The Megacon warehouse tile? That should have been one of the backer stretches.
At least one more of the faction add-ons, probably USCR should have been a freebie.

Of course, stretch goals also should've started at $75,000 rather than waiting to see how high they could get it to go before putting them in.

Overall, I think there were some poor decisions made with this kickstarter. Some though, i don't mind so much. I actually rather like the sniper stretch goal. Sure, I'll wind up with figures for factions I don't own, but it's like a faction sampler, which is kind of cool.

 Azazelx wrote:
Nod. It's clearly a successful campaign by any sensible metric. It's just not what it could have potentially been.

No, not really its a failure, if the product hits retail as is it will fail dramatically, as a boardgame at least and its life a s a cheap way to get merc minis... lets say that it will be cheaper to scrap the boardgame and repack the minis done in plastic in boxes.

Now its potential was great and if it was done right, it would be their gateway game to their main IP, the failures to realize golden opportunities on this one are so many its mind boggling.

Doc Kill wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
WIll the snipers come with the cards making them usable in Recon? How will snipers work in Recon?

And again, just like theFCC saboteur, can I use them in Recon without having their faction? Or are they indirectly stating, feth You Recon folks, this is all about the Table Top game?

They say that the models will come with Recon and TT 2.o rules.

Which does not answer my other question. Can they (snipers and the 'free' saboteur) be used if you don't shell out for the mission packs with that faction? Or is Recon really just secondary to the tabletop game?

arog wrote:
95% of the commentors on the Kickstarter are so busy sucking the proverbial chicken they cannot bother to understand why the Kickstarter won't succeed.
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The KS is a massive success already

Now it potentially (probably) could be a bigger success if it had been handled differently but the amount of money they've already got is huge

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

arog wrote:
95% of the commentors on the Kickstarter are so busy sucking the proverbial chicken they cannot bother to understand why the Kickstarter won't succeed.
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The KS is a massive success already

Now it potentially (probably) could be a bigger success if it had been handled differently but the amount of money they've already got is huge

As big of a sucess as this is or could be, they failed to excit me and keep me interested through the course of the campaign. As of yesterday I pulled my pledge and will be giving that money to Soda Pop.