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Is this the part of the post-election conversation where we post every single bad thing that a supporter of either side has done? I'm just checking before I start posting all of the bad things Trump supporters have done lately.
And I'm pretty sure we've all seen the reasons why "sea of red" is a very misleading thing.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Ustrello wrote: Anyone who hoped a massive amount of jobs would be brought back to the rust belt was a damn fool
Who else would they have voted for though, the candidate that acknowledged that coal jobs are dying and pointed out that we need a policy that will help restrain coal workers and that we need to bring alternative industries to these regions?
Nah they wanted the people who told them that they can keep the jobs that their pappy and grandpappy had until they all died of black lung
No surprise that Genesee County (Flint township) went blue, but it was a bit closer there than I expected.
Here's the county-by-county map:
That's a sea of red...
It'll be interesting to see the breakdown on demographics. As I understand it, the younger groups went more blue than red, but I'm not talking about that one map that's been making the rounds.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
A Town Called Malus wrote: But, to play devils advocate, the kid now has first hand experience of what it is like to be told to pack your bags and forced out of your home, which is what Trump promised to do to 11 million people.
And that is flat out wrong to kick someone out of the country for being here illegally. In fact, we should apply the same principle to ALL laws being broken. So you stole a car? Go ahead and keep it, we won't be jailing you. In fact, here's free insurance, plates and a month's worth of gasoline. And if your penalty for breaking the law is to be rewarded with what you broke the law for, shouldn't Jared from Subway get an escort service instead of jail time?
People really need to get away from the specifics of an issue and look at the principles behind them.
It'll be interesting to see the breakdown on demographics. As I understand it, the younger groups went more blue than red, but I'm not talking about that one map that's been making the rounds.
Trying to kick a child out to the curb and calling it a joke is a pretty poor excuse. That kid looked absolutely traumatized, and I sympathize deeply for him. That's not how to teach people how to be tolerant of dissenting opinions.
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Breotan wrote: I have no words for this. A joke? How is emotionally torturing your child a joke?
Mom kicks out Trump-supporting son in viral video
A viral video shows a mother disowning her young son for supporting Donald Trump in a mock election.
Spoiler:
FRESNO, TX (KTRK) -- A Fort Bend County mother is under fire for a video posted on Facebook that went viral.
It shows her berating her young son, even forcing him out with a suitcase.
The detective we spoke with says the video doesn't appear to show any wrongdoing, so right now no charges have been filed. But it's still very disturbing to people on all sides of the aisle. The mom walked her crying son from their house to the corner, with a suitcase and sign in hand -- all because he voted for Donald Trump in a mock election.
"Get your suitcase," this mother said as her son screamed. "Get your suitcase and get out. Bye."
She made him stand on the corner with a sign in his hand that said, "My mom kicked me out the house because I voted for Donald Trump."
Someone posted the video to social media, and it has been shared thousands of times.
"I think it's crazy," says one of the family's neighbors. "People need to realize when you put certain things on social media, you never know how far it's gonna go."
Neighbors were absolutely shocked to see that this happened right on their street.
"I've been on this street for four years. Awesome family," she says.
While we were in front of the house Friday, CPS came by. Whoever was inside spoke to her through the door. The Fort Bend County Sheriff's Office is also investigating.
"I have personally met with the family and saw the child, his well-being. He appears to be in good health," says Detective Joe Luera.
Detective Luera says he met with the family off-site.
"She explains it was a joke," Luera explained.
She told Eyewitness News the same thing over the phone. She initially agreed to share her story on camera, but later changed her mind.
We're told the investigation is ongoing.
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It'll be interesting to see the breakdown on demographics. As I understand it, the younger groups went more blue than red, but I'm not talking about that one map that's been making the rounds.
The 18-29 group and the ones living in cities with greater than 50k voted over whelmingly for Clinton...
The 18-29 group voted so overwhelmingly for clinton that if just our votes counted hillary would of gotten over 500 EC votes and seeing how a decent amount of Trumps short sighted ideas will effect us the most maybe there is a reason we voted for her.
A Town Called Malus wrote: But, to play devils advocate, the kid now has first hand experience of what it is like to be told to pack your bags and forced out of your home, which is what Trump promised to do to 11 million people.
And that is flat out wrong to kick someone out of the country for being here illegally. In fact, we should apply the same principle to ALL laws being broken. So you stole a car? Go ahead and keep it, we won't be jailing you. In fact, here's free insurance, plates and a month's worth of gasoline. And if your penalty for breaking the law is to be rewarded with what you broke the law for, shouldn't Jared from Subway get an escort service instead of jail time?
People really need to get away from the specifics of an issue and look at the principles behind them.
Oh boy look at those false equivalences
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It'll be interesting to see the breakdown on demographics. As I understand it, the younger groups went more blue than red, but I'm not talking about that one map that's been making the rounds.
The 18-29 group and the ones living in cities with greater than 50k voted over whelmingly for Clinton...
The 18-29 group voted so overwhelmingly for clinton that if just our votes counted hillary would of gotten over 500 EC votes and seeing how a decent amount of Trumps short sighted ideas will effect us the most maybe there is a reason we voted for her.
Huh? Ya'll vote counted.
We have the Electoral College system. Just because it didn't go your way, doesn't mean your votes weren't counted.
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It'll be interesting to see the breakdown on demographics. As I understand it, the younger groups went more blue than red, but I'm not talking about that one map that's been making the rounds.
The 18-29 group and the ones living in cities with greater than 50k voted over whelmingly for Clinton...
The 18-29 group voted so overwhelmingly for clinton that if just our votes counted hillary would of gotten over 500 EC votes and seeing how a decent amount of Trumps short sighted ideas will effect us the most maybe there is a reason we voted for her.
Huh? Ya'll vote counted.
We have the Electoral College system. Just because it didn't go your way, doesn't mean your votes weren't counted.
Oh no they did, but the damage that they will do will effect my generation more so than yours. We voted for the future, you all voted for the now
It'll be interesting to see the breakdown on demographics. As I understand it, the younger groups went more blue than red, but I'm not talking about that one map that's been making the rounds.
The 18-29 group and the ones living in cities with greater than 50k voted over whelmingly for Clinton...
The 18-29 group voted so overwhelmingly for clinton that if just our votes counted hillary would of gotten over 500 EC votes and seeing how a decent amount of Trumps short sighted ideas will effect us the most maybe there is a reason we voted for her.
All of the voters in the older demographics that Trump won used be 18-29 year olds too. Nobody is locked into a political ideology for life and parties change platforms and positions too. We'll have to wait and see what the future holds.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Oh boy, here it comes... all the righteous indignation anyone could ever want.
I'm glad CPS and the police were involved because I'm sure they had nothing else better to do then to follow up on a viral video that people on the internet were upset about.
You mean like the police follow up when people are stupid enough to post videos of their crimes? Like bank robbers, rapes, or killings? Still, it's nice to know that in your world view emotional abuse isn't worth anyone's time.
It'll be interesting to see the breakdown on demographics. As I understand it, the younger groups went more blue than red, but I'm not talking about that one map that's been making the rounds.
The 18-29 group and the ones living in cities with greater than 50k voted over whelmingly for Clinton...
The 18-29 group voted so overwhelmingly for clinton that if just our votes counted hillary would of gotten over 500 EC votes and seeing how a decent amount of Trumps short sighted ideas will effect us the most maybe there is a reason we voted for her.
Huh? Ya'll vote counted.
We have the Electoral College system. Just because it didn't go your way, doesn't mean your votes weren't counted.
Oh no they did, but the damage that they will do will effect my generation more so than yours. We voted for the future, you all voted for the now
Man... that sounds awfully like the Remainer's side in Brexit.
It'll be interesting to see the breakdown on demographics. As I understand it, the younger groups went more blue than red, but I'm not talking about that one map that's been making the rounds.
The 18-29 group and the ones living in cities with greater than 50k voted over whelmingly for Clinton...
The 18-29 group voted so overwhelmingly for clinton that if just our votes counted hillary would of gotten over 500 EC votes and seeing how a decent amount of Trumps short sighted ideas will effect us the most maybe there is a reason we voted for her.
Huh? Ya'll vote counted.
We have the Electoral College system. Just because it didn't go your way, doesn't mean your votes weren't counted.
Oh no they did, but the damage that they will do will effect my generation more so than yours. We voted for the future, you all voted for the now
Man... that sounds awfully like the Remainer's side in Brexit.
That's an extremely cynical look at life.
Well considering trump is putting a climate change denier in charge of the EPA, wants a creationist in charge of Education and an alt right founder as his chief of staff yeah I say we do have a reason to worry
It isn't just him. If we removed all the logic fallacies from this thread, it would only be eight or nine pages long, or at least it seems like it would.
It isn't just him. If we removed all the logic fallacies from this thread, it would only be eight or nine pages long, or at least it seems like it would.
Whembly wouldn't even have any posts in this thread
It'll be interesting to see the breakdown on demographics. As I understand it, the younger groups went more blue than red, but I'm not talking about that one map that's been making the rounds.
The 18-29 group and the ones living in cities with greater than 50k voted over whelmingly for Clinton...
The 18-29 group voted so overwhelmingly for clinton that if just our votes counted hillary would of gotten over 500 EC votes and seeing how a decent amount of Trumps short sighted ideas will effect us the most maybe there is a reason we voted for her.
Huh? Ya'll vote counted.
We have the Electoral College system. Just because it didn't go your way, doesn't mean your votes weren't counted.
Oh no they did, but the damage that they will do will effect my generation more so than yours. We voted for the future, you all voted for the now
I disagree. I think it really has to do with the nature of changing experiences with age. Our demographic, especially those in universities and the likes, tend to be more idealistic and progressive. However, with age (aka once we start paying our own bills from our own career salaries), many of us will shift our focuses towards saving money where we can to support our own households, families, careers, etc. As the saying goes, "If you're not a Democrat at 20, you're heartless; if you're not a Republican at 40, you're brainless," or something to that effect. Not the most savory of quotes, but it does hint at this pattern of change. The next generation will also vote overwhelmingly liberal, period. In 20 years, many of us, though not all, will shift conservatively, guaranteed.
Hang on now. Why is this news? Trump has literally nothing to do with this. Is this a change in policy? Or has this been planned out for months but held after the election?
Officials: 150 US border agents being sent to South Texas
EDINBURG, Texas
About 150 Border Patrol agents will be deployed to South Texas from Arizona, California and elsewhere to help process a spike in immigrants who have been apprehended after illegally entering the U.S., federal officials announced Saturday.
Agents from Tucson, Arizona, and San Diego will be temporarily reassigned to the Rio Grande Valley, and agents working another portion of the Texas border will join them, U.S. Customs and Border Protection said in a statement.
The additional agents will assist with screening and processing immigrants taken into custody along the border, many of whom are unaccompanied children and families.
Hundreds of thousands of people have sought asylum along the U.S.-Mexico border in the last two years, and the majority are Central American families who often turn themselves in as opposed to mostly Mexican men trying to evade capture, according to a federal report obtained last month by The Associated Press.
Since 2014, the Rio Grande Valley has led the nation as the region with the most apprehensions of immigrants entering the U.S. illegally. Asylum seekers, many of them fleeing drug-fueled violence south of the border, peaked in 2014 at 170,000, nearly triple the 63,000 who arrived the previous year. Before 2012, there were fewer than 30,000 a year.
Leaders in the South Texas city of McAllen said earlier this month that they're struggling to provide services and noted that October was the busiest month since 2014 for a church support center, with more than 5,600 immigrants offered assistance. The city and local groups have spent nearly $1 million over two years to provide showers, tents and other needs, Mayor Jim Darling told The Monitor newspaper.
U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said in a statement Thursday there are about 41,000 people being held in U.S. immigration detention facilities. The number normally fluctuates between 31,000 and 34,000, he said.
"Our borders cannot be open to illegal migration," Johnson said. "We must, therefore, enforce the immigration laws consistent with our priorities. Those priorities are public safety and border security. Specifically, we prioritize the deportation of undocumented immigrants who are convicted of serious crimes and those apprehended at the border attempting to enter the country illegally."
What's interesting when you look at the map is how red New York looks but how blue it voted. Pennsylvania was close, and Michigan was insanely close. Tells you a lot about where people live and how many of them live there.
Oh no they did, but the damage that they will do will effect my generation more so than yours. We voted for the future, you all voted for the now
Technically speaking our generation barely voted at all. Our turnout was pitiful (especially when compared to Hispanics who turn out to have had one of the most impressive turnouts in recent history. Including early voting something like 3/4 of eligible Hispanic voters actually voted). It's especially shameful as votes continue to be tallied, and while overall turnout is still lower than 2012, it's not as low as initial projections suggested. There were a lot of early and absentee votes this year.>
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Oh boy, here it comes... all the righteous indignation anyone could ever want.
I'm glad CPS and the police were involved because I'm sure they had nothing else better to do then to follow up on a viral video that people on the internet were upset about.
You mean like the police follow up when people are stupid enough to post videos of their crimes? Like bank robbers, rapes, or killings? Still, it's nice to know that in your world view emotional abuse isn't worth anyone's time.
What she did isn't a crime so posting a bunch of stories about actual crimes doesn't do you any good, so save me your bs moral outrage.
You also don't know feth all about my "world view" so stop pretending you do.
It isn't just him. If we removed all the logic fallacies from this thread, it would only be eight or nine pages long, or at least it seems like it would.
Exactly. You wouldn't be able to try and compare some donkey-cave being mean to their kid to raping, murdering and robbing banks.
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
Then you are wrong. The "sea of red" idea ignores the fact that many of those visually prominent red areas have very low population. So yeah, visually it's a sea of red with a small dot of blue, but that dot of blue has more people than the whole red area by a large margin. And it also makes everything binary red/blue instead of representing the fact that many red/blue areas were much closer to 50/50 than 100/0. Much of that "sea of red" could be more accurately described as "sea of red-tinted purple".
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
If people are that concerned about the emotional and/or physical wellbeing of this child, they could probably stop using him as a tool to score points about whatever political candidate they supported.
Using him to score points against liberals, while making sure his public humiliation gets shared to as many people as possible, surely helps him immensely.
Ustrello wrote:Oh boy look at those false equivalences
Breotan wrote:It isn't just him. If we removed all the logic fallacies from this thread, it would only be eight or nine pages long, or at least it seems like it would.
So where is the false equivalency? Was a law in place in every instance? Yes. Were there clear ramifications for breaking said law? Yes. Is one group being basically advocated to have an "out" for their punishment, an elimination of them having committed the crime in the first place, AND getting tax payer backed help that some people who never BROKE that law get? Absolutely. So I don't see a false equivalency. I wonder if Casey Chadwick or Kathryn Steinle would, other than the fact that they are both dead now.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: You also don't know feth all about my "world view" so stop pretending you do.
I can only go by what you post and your post was dismissive of the emotional abuse that woman was inflicting on her child.
No, it was dismissive of your bs feigned moral outrage.
That isn't worth the pixels you've wasted typing it.
d-usa wrote: If people are that concerned about the emotional and/or physical wellbeing of this child, they could probably stop using him as a tool to score points about whatever political candidate they supported.
Using him to score points against liberals, while making sure his public humiliation gets shared to as many people as possible, surely helps him immensely.
Yeah, but no points scored means no points gained! What kind of loser attitude is that?
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
Ustrello wrote:Oh boy look at those false equivalences
Breotan wrote:It isn't just him. If we removed all the logic fallacies from this thread, it would only be eight or nine pages long, or at least it seems like it would.
So where is the false equivalency? Was a law in place in every instance? Yes. Were there clear ramifications for breaking said law? Yes. Is one group being basically advocated to have an "out" for their punishment, an elimination of them having committed the crime in the first place, AND getting tax payer backed help that some people who never BROKE that law get? Absolutely. So I don't see a false equivalency. I wonder if Casey Chadwick or Kathryn Steinle would, other than the fact that they are both dead now.
Because you somehow think that illegally entering a country is on par with the worst crimes humans can commit and why you were called out for it by both sides
Ustrello wrote: Because you somehow think that illegally entering a country is on par with the worst crimes humans can commit and why you were called out for it by both sides
Yeah, let's make a different comparison, with smoking pot. Is it a crime? Yes. Are the police making every attempt to catch pot smokers, and never letting them off with a warning? No. Do reasonable people support the abuses of the war on drugs, including sending people to prison with felony convictions for pot? Hell no. Illegal immigration is arguably in the same category. It's technically illegal, but getting caught up in "PAY THE PRICE FOR YOUR CRIMES" is hardly a productive way to deal with the problem.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
