Vanilla SM Terminators versus godzilla.

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**Bastirous666**

especially assault termies. they depend on close combat, and against I6 rending stealers...no chance at all

**tegeus-Cromis**

Bastirous666:

as long as your using one castellian launcher. S5 Ap4 just aint enough to be useful to me. and the castellians hit on the way in too.

It is pretty much common knowledge that they should all be castellans. The minefields are unbelievably superior to the standard rounds.

**Mannahnin**

If you were using 3, I could certainly see having one use the regular ammo vs a list capable of making the big bugs a wall. With Stealers bunched up to hide behind the big boys, they suffer a lot worse.

**Nurglitch**

Bastirous666 wrote:as long as your using one castellian launcher. S5 Ap4 just aint enough to be useful to me. and the castellians hit on the way in too.

Uh, what do you mean by "castellians hit on the way in too"?

**Bastirous666**

when they fall they do damage too. they hit the target when they drop, along with the normal damage they do. unless that changed in the new codex, cuz i pay no attention to the whirlwinds...ever!

**Mannahnin**

No, they either do damage when you fire them (normal) OR they lay down a minefield (Castellan). Certainly not both!

**Bastirous666**

ok well the old rules for it did the minefield hit on the way in if it landed on something. obviously that changed, oh well. again another reason for me to not use them

**Mannahnin**

Uh, no they didn't.

Unless you're talking about something back in 2nd edition, maybe? 3rd edition came out in 1998, and there have been no whirlwind rules matching what you're talking about since then to my knowledge.

**Bastirous666**

yea i am talking about old rules...like when i first started playing in 97, since then i paid no attention to whilewinds, so i never noticed any changes. they were decent at best then, and they are no different from what i've been told now

**gdurant**

What if you hit a unit dead on with the mine field? Does the mine field detonate?

**Mannahnin**

Only if (when) they move. And it applies to every enemy model that moves over it, every time they move.

It's a fantastic weapon against light armored stuff like Genestealers and Harlequins. Once they start to get close, drop it right on your own squads which they want to assault. They'll get hit when they assault over it, AND when they consolidate over it.

**skyth**

Except that you can't actually drop it on your own troops on purpose. Has to either scatter onto them or your troops have to move onto the minefield.

**tegeus-Cromis**

Says who, skyth? There is no such restriction AFAIK.

**Nurglitch**

P39 of Codex Space Marines says that you can either target an enemy unit or an empty area so that no friendly or enemy units are under the template.

**tegeus-Cromis**

I guess this is my week for making blatantly wrong rules claims.

Sorry, then. Me and my WW-abusing friend will have to have a little talk. . . .

**Bastirous666**

Well you can still put the mine field down right ontop of the unit or in front or your own to ensure that they will be hit by that nasty surprise sooner or later

**Two Daemons in a Bar**

I agree with tegeus in not dropping the libby. If you kit him out with f.ex a bike, artificier armour and Iron Halo, plus of course Veil of Time, and then have him on Flyrant watch, IMO your opponent would think twice about harrasing you with his big critters.

**Two Daemons in a Bar**

Oy. What the hell. Wrong thread! Sorry, my bad