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JohnHwangDD wrote:

Victorraven wrote:So if you were "man" enough to get you arm cut off then everyone should be able to be "man" enough to have their arm cut off?

I may be dumb enough to play Warhammer, but I'm not stupid enough to cut my own arm off!

Touche'

How about a finger?

JohnHwangDD wrote:I'm guessing that GW nerfed the Daemons because they want players to demonstrate some minimal amount of actual tactical skill and finesse, rather than turning 40k into a game based around who has the most broken list with the most undercosted minis.

Except that's not what happens. 40k is still a game based around who has the the most broken list with the most undercosted minis - nerfing stuff only changes which lists are broken and which minis are undercosted. Simply removing options until we're left with Chess 40,000 and carbon-copy armies is not going to give us a "tactical" game. In order to do that they'd need to overhaul the core rules to add some real tactical depth to the game, which of course they won't because their marketing model requires backward compatibility. The End.

mortal888 wrote:Back on topic, the demons were too powerful, but nerfed too much. I'm ticked that I have no nurglings, especially since I have 30 bases of them. I really think that they will be fixed with the legion codexes though.

Legion codexes are still pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking at this point. But Nurglings actually survived the change quite well. Since all daemons are generic, Nurgling = Bloodletter = Daemonette = ... And guess which one is the cheapest ($-wise)? Here's a hint: there's nothing in the rules stating that Nurglings have to be based as swarms rather than as individual models. Add to that the comedy inherent in fielding individual Nurglings with marine stats and you've got yourself some kickass generic daemons!

Mannahnin wrote:Kimonnarez- I strongly disagree. And I dislike cookie-cutter lists as much as anyone. But some armies just start a leg up from Dark Angels, just as they did over Orks until recently. Assuming two skilled players and an average table, a competitive DA player does not generally get close to an even fight against a competitive Eldar or Tyranid player.

But the DA player has tactics!

Nurglitch wrote:Except I (GW) didn't promise you $10, I gave you some spare change I wanted to get rid of that happened to add up to $10. You're hardly at a loss when I don't repeat the offer just because you've developed a psychological dependence on a hand-out.

It was a while ago so my recall may not be perfect, but I'm pretty sure I paid real money for my EoT codex and my mutant models.

Iorek wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:LatD? Puh-leeeaze. They never had their own Codex, and they got an Apocalypse Datasheet within months, so they have nothing to complain about.

Except when people like you act all high and mighty. You really come across as callous, reactionary, self-centered and poorly-informed when you say things like that. Lost and the Damned players DO have a legitimate complaint, and you're acting like an apologist and a blinder-wearing fanboy to claim otherwise.

Don't mind him. JohnHwang is just the Ann Coulter of GW apologists. Oh JohnHwang - what won't you say!

Nurglitch wrote:How about a finger?

Oh, how I'd love to give GW a finger...

gorgon wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:LatD? Puh-leeeaze. They never had their own Codex, and they got an Apocalypse Datasheet within months, so they have nothing to complain about.

The guys who have actual valid complaint are the Squat players, who got dragged around for *years*.

Squats never had a codex. LatD did. It was called Codex: Eye of Terror and was as valid as any other codex.

I don't really understand why people keep saying this. GW invalidated the Cadian list in the EoT book within a couple months of its production, 13th Company sometime around the 4th Edition launch, and the Webway list with the release of Eldar. Not once did they apologize or make any sort of attempt to keep the lists usable. Now, I certainly wouldn't argue that this is sort of a crappy thing to do, but I cannot understand why people are acting like they're surprised and hurt by the LatD situation; it's been going on for five years in other places.

The 13th company list hasn't been invalidated...

My mistake. Still, there was ample precedent for lists in EoT being invalidated by new codeces.

Yes but then seeing the huge love for the LatD army list they should then make a codex or something for all those out there who spent time and money on that army. after all GW is all about the money and i bet they made plenty of good sales for the LatD list. all in all it was a dumb move for them to drop the list. GW has lost respect

Salvation122 wrote:GW invalidated the Cadian list in the EoT book within a couple months of its production, 13th Company sometime around the 4th Edition launch, and the Webway list with the release of Eldar. Not once did they apologize or make any sort of attempt to keep the lists usable.

Exactly. And anyone who had a Cadian list can now find it in Codex: Imperial Guard. Anyone who had an USF list can field their Black Guardians using the rules for Guardians found in Codex: Eldar. And anyone who had a LatD list can field them using the rules for mutants and traitors found in Codex: Chaos Space Marines. Oh wait - no they can't. I guess GW forgot to put those rules in.

Don't worry, someone will come along to say they can be used in Apocalypse in three...two...one...

They can be used in Apocalypse!

Stop complaining all you whiners because your previously legitimate and completely legal army list can now only be used in a specific subset of the gaming system that requires games of 3000+ points.

*deep breath*

That was a long sentence.

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:They can be used in Apocalypse!

Stop complaining all you whiners because your previously legitimate and completely legal army list can now only be used in a specific subset of the gaming system that requires games of 3000+ points.

*deep breath*

That was a long sentence.

BYE

HBMC drive by

Not to veer too far from what we were saying before buuuuuuuuut...

Has anyone had good experiences with the new lesser daemons?

Dead Horse wrote:Not to veer too far from what we were saying before buuuuuuuuut...

Has anyone had good experiences with the new lesser daemons?

Yes, I have.

I have experienced how significantly less dangerous they are!

H.B.M.C. wrote:They can be used in Apocalypse!

Stop complaining all you whiners because your previously legitimate and completely legal army list can now only be used in a specific subset of the gaming system that requires games of 3000+ points.

*deep breath*

That was a long sentence.

BYE

Exalt!