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Callidus assassin hm? Instant kills nobz the flame template touches.. All for 120pts

Speaking of blowing Nob minds, it might be something for Eldar to first use Mind War to take out the Doc, so that the Nobz don't get Feel No Pain, and then lay-in with some Warlocks using Destructor.

Similarly, use the Vindicare Assassin to pick off the Doc, or that Space Marine Scout Sergeant, and then apply Heavy Flamethrowers.

I think a callidus is better than a vindicare for that job

Been stewing over how the tau could possibly handle nob bikers and still be viable against other army lists. I present to you my Mech tau biker beater army, however I want to preface this by saying I'm just recently jumping back into 40k and have not played a single game in 5th edition nevermind playing against the new ork codex, the list is 1500 points.

HQ

1x Shas'el, Plasma rifle, Fusion Blaster, Multi Tracker 87


Troops

12 x fire warrior, shas'ui, bonding knife, 135
1 x Devil fish, SMS, disruption pod, targeting array, 110
12 x fire warrior, shasui, bonding knife 135
1 x Devilish, SMS, disruption pod, targeting array, 110
12 x fire warrior, shasui, bonding knife 135
1 x Devilish, SMS, disruption pod, targeting array, 110

Fast Attack
5 x Piranha, fusion gun 325

Heavy Support

1 x Hammerhead, rail gun, sms, disruption pod, MT, 180
1 x Hammerhead, rail gun, sms, disruption pod, MT, 180

the idea here is to setup as far away as possible to avoid a first round assault, let the bikers drive forward then move the piranhas flat out to encircle the offending bikes leaving 2" gaps between every piranha then tank shocking an available devil fish or hammer head up the middle. now i know tank shock rules have changed so the nobs will just autopass the moral test however it does say that if the tank comes to rest on top of models the models must be moved 1" away from the tank now if there is no room to move do to being ensconced by piranhas would those models then be destroyed? if so then it wouldn't even really matter if the piranhas got gibbed in the next shooting phase? Would 2 hammerheads launching submunition rounds with 3 fishies sms'ing be enough to polish the second bike mob?

Moz wrote:Monolith, Telion, Vindicare, Mind war, Gift of chaos, Boon of mutation, Mind worm.

The mob rule does change the painboys LD though, see p37 of Orks under Weirdboy for confirmation there. So mindwar/worm will become highly effective only once the unit has been whittled down a little.

Well, we also talked about either 3x Prisms or 3x Snakes on a Plane to disembark and soften up the nobs a bit. Then the the bikes saunter up into assault position and fires off a "Mind War" before they assault. Unfortunately, this tactic is pretty much a desparate gamble to wipe out just one bike squad, and if it fails, it's going to be very ugly.

And Nurglitch, Parrot much?

whitedragon:

I think I would have had to have read his post to parrot it.

Kirasu wrote:Callidus assassin hm? Instant kills nobz the flame template touches.. All for 120pts

How would it instant kill them?
If they're leadership 9 (from warboss or mob rule) then the neural shredder (S8 but goes against Ld not toughness) will be wounding on 5+, and no instant death.
or am I missing something?

I'd think assaulting nob bikers would be a quick way of saying goodbye to your callidus. with the pile in move she'd take so many hits, she'd never dodge them all.

Might be cool though, you can imagine she was disguised as an ammo runt on the back of one of the nobs. as the battle starts, she holds on tighter... and tighter... and ...

Yeah, you are missing something.. for some the shredder counts as S8 and insta kills with it.

Moz wrote:Monolith, Telion, Vindicare, Mind war, Gift of chaos, Boon of mutation, Mind worm.

The mob rule does change the painboys LD though, see p37 of Orks under Weirdboy for confirmation there. So mindwar/worm will become highly effective only once the unit has been whittled down a little.

Page 37 reads that the wierdboy uses the Mob Rule, not the painboy. The pain boy is not addressed, hence I do read anywhere that the pyschic attack against the painboy can be defended by the mob rule benefit. According to the Eldar pyschic attack rules, the painboy would have to use his own leadership. Even individual marines with rites of battle did not get to use the commanders leadership to defend against mindwar attacks......... Pg 28 of the Eldar book reads that each prospective model contrast their own leaderships with the aid of a D6 each. The highest number determines the winner........ The painboy is not considered fearless or anything above his normal individual leadership value.......

Kallbrand wrote:Yeah, you are missing something.. for some the shredder counts as S8 and insta kills with it.

It's in the latest the WH or DH FAQ. The S8 Neural Shredder only insta-kills when it is double the target's leadership.

rcm2216 wrote:
Page 37 reads that the wierdboy uses the Mob Rule, not the painboy. The pain boy is not addressed, hence I do read anywhere that the pyschic attack against the painboy can be defended by the mob rule benefit. According to the Eldar pyschic attack rules, the painboy would have to use his own leadership. Even individual marines with rites of battle did not get to use the commanders leadership to defend against mindwar attacks......... Pg 28 of the Eldar book reads that each prospective model contrast their own leaderships with the aid of a D6 each. The highest number determines the winner........ The painboy is not considered fearless or anything above his normal individual leadership value.......

pg 37 is not an exception for the weirdboy, it is a clear example of how the mob rule works on individual models. The mob rule doesn't change, and it does effect individual models LD value. Ex. weirdboys.

Probably better to debate this in YMDC anyways.

Every ork with Mob Rule benefits from it, and can use the number of orks in the mob as his leadership. With a full unit, the leadership starts at 10 and decreases accordingly.

to be completely honest anyone with any decent firepower and the knowledge that bikes have to make dangerous terrain tests to assault your units that will be shooting them up will make dust out of the nob bike list. as an ork player, i firmly agree with most of the board, th/ss termys will make a mockery of the bikers, as will anything able to take plasma cannons with or without lash. as for the second squad of bikers, they usually die from the nice little orbital bombardment from sm masters. as for the other armies, they all have a way of focusing all of their fustration that i was cheesy enough to take two of these squads on the other squad by focusing all of their firepower on it. It doesn't matter how many saves/wound allocations available, put enough wounds on them and they will drop.

My top 3:
at #3. 10 Howling Banshees [power weapons and high Int]
at #2. Seer Counsil Farseer [mind war] and destructor warlocks
at #1. 12 Genestealers, impact glands, toxin sacs and scything talons

Dark Lances. Lots of dark lances. Luckily Dark Eldar can field lots of dark lances. or equivalant.

20+ darklances scares everything.

theblklotus wrote:20+ darklances scares everything.

I'm afraid of the dark!

And Nurglitch, I was referring to my earlier post on page 3 where I specified that Mind War was a good way to off the Pain boy, which you parrotted on page 4.

whitedragon:

Like I said, I'd have to actually read a post to parrot it.

ummmm, how about just shooting the very very small ammount of troups they have???

*Me* "ok, all your troups are dead. that means you cant claim any objs"
*Ork player* "but wha... i... my bikes...."
*Me* "yes, your bikes contest those 2 OBJ's (or table quarters), but because i dident ball up in a corner and cry. the one unit of troops i have on the OBJ over there claim it and i win"
*Ork player* " "
*Me* " "

Envy89 wrote:ummmm, how about just shooting the very very small ammount of troups they have???

*Me* "ok, all your troups are dead. that means you cant claim any objs"
*Ork player* "but wha... i... my bikes...."
*Me* "yes, your bikes contest those 2 OBJ's (or table quarters), but because i dident ball up in a corner and cry. the one unit of troops i have on the OBJ over there claim it and i win"
*Ork player* " "
*Me* " "

*Me* I'm claiming 2 objectives with my bikes.
*You* Bikes aren't scoring, I am all like
*Me* Welcome to 40k, my bikes are troops. Bottom tables are that way.

Whoops, Moz beat me to it...he was funnier anyway.

since when is a warboss with nobs a troop choice??... since when are warbikes a troop choice??

also, you would be sitting on 2 objs, with a modle or 2 left of mine.... so lets say i trubo bost a fast attack skimmer over the OBJ on the bottom of the last turn.... dang, i new those things where there for somehting... fast armies FTW

Optimism in the face of adversity is good. I think you might find those strategies harder to pull off in practice. If you don't mind my asking, how many games have you played and won against nob bikers to verify the effectiveness of this advice?

vs biker nobs... none.... our ork player runs 3 death roller AV 14 battle waggons allong with other goddies

vs other crazy kick butt CC units.... tons of time.

i am the only Tau player i know of that LIKES to take bottom of turn.... simply because i get to Zip in and claim / contest allmost every OBJ with my fast moving stuff

Envy89 wrote:vs biker nobs... none....

/end thread

meh.

when i win VS them, ill let you know. there are 2 things my army dose 1 - outgun you, and 2 - dance around you. when i am playing vs a massed horde and have no where to dance, i have troubel. when i am playing vs a small force, i clean house.

at 1500 you have what 22 bikes and a few grots??? i will out number you (grots dont count), and i have guns that will burn right through your feal no pain. on top of that, i have throw away units (free gun drones FTW) that will leave you with your in the wind.

the more i think about it, the more i wish out ork player would run biker nobs insted of battle waggon blitz.

Have you paid attention to anything in this thread? You won't be able to shoot the Orks, they have a 4+ cover that becomes 3+ when they turboboost. Also, every Nob has two wounds which means you need to use S8 or higher to insta-kill them as simply removing wounds won't work (need to cause 12 wounds to remove the first model). As a Tau player you will have, what, 3-4 S8+ weapons? So you are killing 1-2 Nobs per turn MAX.

I played a small 1,000 point game with my Ravenwing vs. a single mob of Nob bikes plus some lootas. I had enough meltas to thin their ranks and then used my powerfists to take out the rest. Sacrificed all my bikes to take him out and in the end, only his Warboss was left. Was able to shoot him to death with Sammael and my landspeeder tornado. Tough game, don't think the Ravenwing could pull it off at 1750.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Statistically how much would a chapter masters space laser do to the squad? Str 10 ap1 ordanance pie isn't something to laugh at and the squad should be large enough that a scatter won't rob you of the shot entirely.

Do they get a cover save from it? If not it can kill a lot; if so then maybe 1 or 2.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

They would get cover, so it's not like an 'Answer' or anything. But multiple S10 hits is never a bad idea.