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Did I mention that, I make the problematic Mig Mek in an army builder... It said that I did in fact get an extra attack as if I was wielding a slugga and choppa.... and a Mek does not have a choppa only a burna...

Also this makes sense rules wise as you can replace your slugga with a shoota, thus having a shoota to shoot and a burna to use in CC as a power weapon...

So there would be no reason to use a slugga on a big mek unless it gave you an extra attack...

padixon wrote:Gwar, no one is saying a burna is not a CCW

Cryonicleech wrote:a burna is not a close combat weapon

Damn Ozzies.

So... Um... What were we arguing about again?

Drunkspleen wrote:

padixon wrote:Gwar, no one is saying a burna is not a CCW

Cryonicleech wrote:a burna is not a close combat weapon

well, everyone except for him...

Can we lock this thread now? It's over I think.

Wait so do we have 1 agreed answer or 2 opinions left over... Well I'll leave on this note: Make sure your friend agrees before you play about the Big Mek rule we discussed here.

This thread was over as it neared the end of page 2.

People have stated their interpretations. Nobody seems to want to change their minds.

Well this was a... crazy thread... I think. Stupid holes in the rules XP

I don't really see the question, the rules say its a powerweapon therefore its a powerweapon with all the bonuses and penalites applied. Sure some of the models appear to have them held in one hand but I don't see that as any more relevent than other modelling conventions, terminators and stormbolters is a good example already mentioned.

Ghaz wrote:

+1 Two Weapons: Engaged models with two singlehanded weapons (typically a close combat weapon and/or pistol in each hand) get an extra +1 attack.

I see nothing here that would disallow a single-handed Assault weapon from granting an extra attack. Sure, some of the later rules may cast some doubt on the subject, but they don't definitively answer the question. Plus in 4th edition any two single-handed weapons would have provided the extra attack.

Except for the rather important bit of context that you're quote rules from the close combat weapons section.. and that at the start of the section on fighting with two weapons it even emphasises that "Some models are equipped with two singel handed weapons they can use in close combat" (my emphasis), and what suggests to you that assault weapons can use used in close combat? The only rules for ranged weapons being used in close combat that I can see are for pistols...

Of course feel free to attempt to claim that there are no single handed weapons ever, I'm sure that a lot of people will be convinced.

Hey Hym um... we already kind of went through ALL of that about 20 times already lol.

welcome to page four of our two page ordeal to get a mek, a power weapon, one more attack than usual... I think the general feeling is leaning to yes but check with your opponent, as this is not the biggest exploit in the codexes nor the nastiest but still a little muddy...

QuietOrkmi wrote:welcome to page four of our two page ordeal to get a mek, a power weapon, one more attack than usual... I think the general feeling is leaning to yes but check with your opponent, as this is not the biggest exploit in the codexes nor the nastiest but still a little muddy...

I would say the answer is yes and beat your opponent round the head for not playing by the rules if he refuses.

Shockingly, no-one even mentioned that it's theoretically possible to equip a Big Mek with a twin-linked Shoota, power Klaw AND Burna...but, doesn't grant plus one attack...so instead why not give him a second Power Klaw in place of the Burna?

As for the rules query, it was answered very early in the thread indeed, the answer was obvious.

EDIT: Also, the Eldar Codex clearly lists Power Weapons as being one-handed. Since there are no differences btwn SM, Eldar or any other Power Weapons, a Burna is clearly defined as one-handed.

Elessar wrote:Shockingly, no-one even mentioned that it's theoretically possible to equip a Big Mek with a twin-linked Shoota, power Klaw AND Burna...but, doesn't grant plus one attack...so instead why not give him a second Power Klaw in place of the Burna?

Perhaps because you cant? Bothb the Burna and the Power Klaw Replace the Choppa, so you can only take one of them. Same for the Second Power Klaw.

As for the rules query, it was answered very early in the thread indeed, the answer was obvious.

Yes but that doesn't stop some people from trying.

EDIT: Also, the Eldar Codex clearly lists Power Weapons as being one-handed. Since there are no differences btwn SM, Eldar or any other Power Weapons, a Burna is clearly defined as one-handed.

Edit: Irrelevant. Just because something has the same name doesn't make it the same by default. See Storm Shields for example. Each codex is self contained, and doesn't take anything from any other codex (With the exceptions of 3 old 3rd edition codex's)

Elessar wrote:Shockingly, no-one even mentioned that it's theoretically possible to equip a Big Mek with a twin-linked Shoota, power Klaw AND Burna...but, doesn't grant plus one attack...so instead why not give him a second Power Klaw in place of the Burna?

Wrong...it says that you can replace his choppa with one of these: Burna or PK. There is no way to get more than one of them, nor can you get both.

Also, a twin-linked shoota is not even an option for a Big Mek.... someone needs to re-read the Big Mek entry, methinks

Hahaha! I suckered you both in, as you are wrong. If you have an Ork Codex handy, please, check. Iy clearly lists as an option Burna or Power Klaw for CHOPPA. Not for choppa or slugga, yes. However, under the later options for replacing the slugga we see Mega-Armour. A quick check of the Mega-Armour description reveals that it "includes both a twin-linked shoota and a power klaw" (Ork Codex pg39) thus allowing either configuration I mentioned to be chosen.

Apologies if this seems rude, it seemed the most effective way to get this point across.

Touche
seems weird, but it is possible.


replace slugga with mega armour (which does indeed give you a klaw and a TL shoota)
then replace the choppa with a 2nd klaw

rules do not state at any point that taking mea armour makes you lose the choppa (which can be swapped afterwards for another klaw)

Exactly, lmao! Though it's an illogical choice, as a Warboss in Mega-Armour has better stats...but would make for an excellent Papa Smurf conversion

Yeah you can but there is really no point. Your Mek now has as many attacks as a boss, if you add a squig to the mek, but you don't have the weapon skill or toughness. To bad the Warboss exchanges slugga and choppa for his mega armour.

they thought it out in the warboss entry :(

"Replace slugga and choppa with mega armour +40 points"

:(

Yeah, it only works for Big Meks, but very few characters get the option of 2 Fists, it's nice to be able.

I know that Big meks, Chapter Masters, Space Marine Captains, and Space Marine Seargents can take two but, it's a lot of points and not really competitive. Still, some models like that look really cool and can be used interstingly. Like a boss using 2 power klaws to represent a per klaw and attack squig.

You said a Big Mek, not a Mega Armoured big mek.
That's cheating a bit don't you think?

Glad to see some people are still easily amused though.

On an unrelated note its surprising to see Army Builder not give the option for a 2PK MABM. <Sarcasm> I thought they were always right!</sarcasm>

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