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Considering that most of you (myself included) have already spent hundreds if not thousands on this hobby, is $35 U.S. really gonna break you?

Vladigar wrote:Considering that most of you (myself included) have already spent hundreds if not thousands on this hobby, is $35 U.S. really gonna break you?

Not to mention you will get more use out of AB than any Leman Russ

It's so so - when the data files are good, it's great. When they're not written correctly it's terrible.

But regardless it's better than the crap from uncle walt.

Gwar! wrote:It's called an Example. Most people I know balk at the thought of spending $35 on Army Builder, but then go and spend ridiculous ammounts of money on Warhammer that just ends up staying in the box for months

Maybe.
But, in all honestly, it's a poor example.
It requires you to put words in the guy's mouth in order to make your point. Just because the people you know feel that way doesn't make it safe to assume that he will, as well.

Gwar! wrote:

Vladigar wrote:Considering that most of you (myself included) have already spent hundreds if not thousands on this hobby, is $35 U.S. really gonna break you?

Not to mention you will get more use out of AB than any Leman Russ

The Leman Russ Executioner is worth its weight in software

Why can't you have both? I don't need another Wave Serpent yet so I bought AB instead.

I am another in Camp #2.

I like using the product, but I 'personally' think Wolf Lair misled me when I initially bought the software (i.e., I believed they provided the rules files). It wasn't until the release of the new Space Marine codex that I realized it was maintained by volunteers. It really makes me wonder what exactly I paid for, as it seems like the data files would be the more difficult project (i.e., the army builder software appears fairly simple; I'm not a software designer, but I can't imagine it being very difficult to code).

Honestly, I don't see why we, as a community, don't start a project on one of the free software sites to read the data files published by the volunteers (i.e., cut Wolf Lair out).

Not following you gainesdp. The data files are already free. Wolflair doesn't make money from them. So they are already in a sense "cut out".

Todosi wrote:Not following you gainesdp. The data files are already free. Wolflair doesn't make money from them. So they are already in a sense "cut out".

You pay Wolf Lair for a program to read the files volunteers write. It was an idle thought, but I guess I'm just not sure why we bother paying $35 to Wolf Lair, when the program seems fairly simplistic and most of the heavy lifting is done by volunteers (i.e., I was suggesting that an idle Comp. Sci. inclined individual or student look into sourceforge.net or another open source type place). Regardless, I'm a geologist, so unless you need some rocks identified, I don't think I can really contribute much more to that other than the thought.

gainesdp wrote:when the program seems fairly simplistic

Please, go ahead and write an open source program for us right now then. I give you till Noon on the morrow to provide it. If it is that simple it shouldn't be a problem for you, even if you are a Geologist.

I agree it would be better if there was a freeware program instead of a pay one since the the reading program and the data files are produced by two distinct enitities.

rzsanguine wrote:I agree it would be better if there was a freeware program instead of a pay one since the the reading program and the data files are produced by two distinct enitities.

I also agree, but I don't preach about how easy it is, because it isn't. If there was a demand for a Free Alternative, it would have been made by now. The fact is that Wolf Lair provide a Damn Good program at a reasonable price that has excellent community support.

Ok good point.

i love armybuilder, nothing else to say

Steelmage99 wrote:

The best part of owning this, is that you get a front row seat to watching all the idiots saying; "AB is full of errors and is often wrong".
Don't forget to ask these mouthbreathers to be specific. It is so much fun to make them realize that they haven't updated their files, haven't read the release-rules or are just plain stupid.

If I had wasted my money on AB instead of being an IDIOT then I would give you the examples that you were looking for. I spend my time being a MOUTHBREATHER while I read my codex and do simple math. I did not however give up my money on a product that is unnecessary to the hobby, I guess I am JUST PLAIN STUPID.




.... Jackass

One thing I want to mention that's great about AB... I can use it in one window while I mess around in DakkaDakk in another window.

I like it. it's initially expensive but I find it so useful to just play about making lists

yeah i read every post but needles
im not gonna pay for it when i could buy models instead
i think game clubs should have 1 for everyones to use
i have a hard time buying the codex for my own army when you can download it, print it a few times, and cut and glue it to actually make sense to use in a game
this hobby is expensive enough
its not that i dont have the money i dont like being ripped off

This thread has been derailed by personal attacks.

Thread closed.

Please re-open a new one, IF anyone wishes to discuss the merits or downsides of the program itself, and not the people who like, or dislike, the program.