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This is a test of your logical brain side having... ahem.

JEB_Stuart wrote:

sebster wrote:What the sweet moogly googly are you talking about?

Two words: Sig That.

sebster wrote:

LunaHound wrote:He is so racist ... so is the media ...

imagine if its Taylor doing that to him , she would be booed off the stage already. (truth)

What the sweet moogly googly are you talking about? The support for Swift has been universal, as has the condemnation of West.

How is the media responsible for the crowd booing? And at an event as staged and full of false contraversy as the VMAs, wouldn't bemusement be the first natural response.

Your effort to contort this to fit the myth of poor beleaguered white people is weak.

Do i need to spell it out every single time?

What im saying regarding the media is , have you seen any news of " Kanye is racist! " at all?
no , just he is a jerk , he is stupid , a douche .

What im saying is media is stupid , scared , and in away racist because this isnt equality .
Because we all know what they'll do and have always done , if its the opposite situation eg , white mistreating black.

It is clear that he is a dingbat... so I see no reason for them to report extrapolations about his agenda.

Besides this... it is Kanye West, no one wants to interview that cat .

That argument you make BTW, reminds me quite a bit of the argument being used against the Reppie activism, or the Teabags persay... hmm, Mr. Teabaggins .

Anyway, this guy is obviously a bit of an extremist, and a sensationalist to boot. This is not one persons opinion, it is a mass accepted "fact". Regardless of him/some Mr. teabaggins being racist, I hardly think that is the sole motivation behind such actions. Beyond this, it is very hard to verify that someone is actually even being racist anymore simply because the term has been so abused throughout the past decade.

Cats are not racist... saying they are racist only makes them racist to your eyes... Raccoons on the other hand are iffy, but usually quite nice to everyone, and if they are abusive, it is only because they survive on trash. Meh... this whole race thing is such a big fallacy anyway, where the hell is the truth at???

LunaHound wrote:Do i need to spell it out every single time?

What im saying regarding the media is , have you seen any news of " Kanye is racist! " at all?
no , just he is a jerk , he is stupid , a douche .

It could just be, and I'm going out on a limb here, that people aren't saying it was a racist act because it wasn't a racist act. Because, just possibly, and I'm only suggesting this, but maybe there's a chance that sometimes when a black guy is mean to a white girl, it isn't a race thing.

Just maybe. Or maybe there's a vast conspiracy dedicated to keeping the white man down, forcing him into CEO positions and into the senate, and out of the prestigious positions of power, like 'winner of a Video Music Award'.

The point Luna is trying to make I think is that she doesn't THINK it's racist for Kanye, she is trying to say that had Miss Swift done it to Kanye than the media and minorities would most likely have TURNED it into a race thing.

While minorities love to play the race card the media never does anything to disagree or shoot down the idea of the race card.

Christ, the media has turned the Obama presidency more into a race issue than the people that did or did not vote for him.

Fateweaver wrote:The point Luna is trying to make I think is that she doesn't THINK it's racist for Kanye, she is trying to say that had Miss Swift done it to Kanye than the media and minorities would most likely have TURNED it into a race thing.

While minorities love to play the race card the media never does anything to disagree or shoot down the idea of the race card.

Christ, the media has turned the Obama presidency more into a race issue than the people that did or did not vote for him.

Yay fateweaver , you are right again in interpreting my sentence <3

Why do people regard the tripe that the media serves as reasonable input? They are there to make money, and by reacting to their idiocy you will inevitably be fueling the fire of the "race card".

Race is a stupid term used to make people feel stupid on both sides. We are all human, and it is getting high time that people in the U.S. seriously take a hard look at that fact, regardless of the medias mindless input at times.

Here is the worst of the media in a nutshell.

Fateweaver wrote: the media and minorities would most likely have TURNED it into a race thing.

Just like they didn't with Jervis Cocker and Michael Jackson right ?

It's astonishing how people can somehow be psychic and predict what would have happened in one instance/thread and yet mysteriously lose these same super powers in another.

Wrexasaur wrote:Why do people regard the tripe that the media serves as reasonable input? They are there to make money, and by reacting to their idiocy you will inevitably be fueling the fire of the "race card".

Race is a stupid term used to make people feel stupid on both sides. We are all human, and it is getting high time that people in the U.S. seriously take a hard look at that fact, regardless of the medias mindless input at times.

Here is the worst of the media in a nutshell.

a)Because supposedly humans are very vocal , and isnt afraid to share their opinion if they deem something to be wrong. ( i mean just look at our forum lol )
b)The media serves as the broadest way of communication daily news. So in theory a) should be taking effect constantly and correcting and wrong doing by the media.

Thus because of a and b , people tend to trust the media . Like blind faith.

reds8n wrote:

Fateweaver wrote: the media and minorities would most likely have TURNED it into a race thing.

Just like they didn't with Jervis Cocker and Michael Jackson right ?

It's astonishing how people can somehow be psychic and predict what would have happened in one instance/thread and yet mysteriously lose these same super powers in another.

You go girl! its just astonishing isnt it? I mean how some people still clings to the petty bitterness from past debates and constantly try to sneak it into sentences right?
as astonishing as it is , i just dont understand ... there is quite a few people that does it actively :'o

It's not really a debate when only one side made any actual points.

Hmm.. no actual answer or point here either. Again. La plus ca change.

EDIT : In b4 random punctuation marks and BS personal anecdote.

Fateweaver wrote:The point Luna is trying to make I think is that she doesn't THINK it's racist for Kanye, she is trying to say that had Miss Swift done it to Kanye than the media and minorities would most likely have TURNED it into a race thing.

While minorities love to play the race card the media never does anything to disagree or shoot down the idea of the race card.

Christ, the media has turned the Obama presidency more into a race issue than the people that did or did not vote for him.

So at this point the argument is that people think there would be cries of racism if the tables were turned, when in the only instance of that happening (Cocker mocking Jackson) no-one talked about race.

reds8n wrote: It's not really a debate when only one side made any actual points..

Ya i agree there is no points at all. Which is why im confused you brought it up in the first place .

sebster wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:The point Luna is trying to make I think is that she doesn't THINK it's racist for Kanye, she is trying to say that had Miss Swift done it to Kanye than the media and minorities would most likely have TURNED it into a race thing.

While minorities love to play the race card the media never does anything to disagree or shoot down the idea of the race card.

Christ, the media has turned the Obama presidency more into a race issue than the people that did or did not vote for him.

So at this point the argument is that people think there would be cries of racism if the tables were turned, when in the only instance of that happening (Cocker mocking Jackson) no-one talked about race.

Hmm , im not sure what cocker mocking Jackson means . But my sentence means what it means.
Its basic and simple , no hidden meanings. Dont over think it seb , you dont consider me dumb without reason right? So just take my sentence as it is .
That or read what fateweaver said , he understood what i meant.

sebster wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:The point Luna is trying to make I think is that she doesn't THINK it's racist for Kanye, she is trying to say that had Miss Swift done it to Kanye than the media and minorities would most likely have TURNED it into a race thing.

While minorities love to play the race card the media never does anything to disagree or shoot down the idea of the race card.

Christ, the media has turned the Obama presidency more into a race issue than the people that did or did not vote for him.

So at this point the argument is that people think there would be cries of racism if the tables were turned, when in the only instance of that happening (Cocker mocking Jackson) no-one talked about race.

I don't think, I'm positive. Let us look back to the Vick dog fight bust. Minorities (and I admit some white folk) were saying that had it been Peyton Manning or Brett Favre that they would have gotten a hand slap.

To pretend it would not have been made into a "Taylor is racist" situation by SOMEONE is quite, frankly having your head up your ass and not seeing the forest for it's trees. I'm not sure who else was nominated for "Video of the Year" but let us pretend it had been Pink. Had Taylor interrupted Beyonce and said "Excuse me but I think Pink had the best video ever" I guarantee someone would have accused Miss Swift of being racist for saying a white girl had a better video than a colored girl.

Really, I'm sorry that so many people wear rose colored glasses in this country. Racism is everywhere. Am I racist? Not in the slightest but I am prejudice against people too stupid to exist. Kanye is one of them. Beyonce` is too classy to even be on the same planet as Kanye. Jeebuz Kanye is not even classy enough to be friends with the gak in my toilet.

You don't think prison sentencing is a whole other ball park than random event at pointless showbiz event X ? Despite previous things like this having happened before with no hoopla over racsim, whilst there is a fairly well acknowledged isue to do with sentencing of various groups in the legal system ?

Wrexasaur wrote:A lot of these "rappers" were actually very talented people before the industry essentially raped them (very appropriate term for this situation).

To become successful you need talent, and I think this is always the case. To maintain success you need a whole lot more than talent, and more often than not that comes in the form of an agency who's primary goal is to squeeze every last goddam bit of worth out of your sorry ass.

Beyonce is talented, I cannot argue with that, but Kanye is a whole lot of other things besides that, and "Jackass" is clearly among them in one form or another.

I'll try and squeeze out a tear for them next time I sit down to pay my bills.

sebster wrote:

LunaHound wrote:He is so racist ... so is the media ...

imagine if its Taylor doing that to him , she would be booed off the stage already. (truth)

What the sweet moogly googly are you talking about? The support for Swift has been universal, as has the condemnation of West.

How is the media responsible for the crowd booing? And at an event as staged and full of false contraversy as the VMAs, wouldn't bemusement be the first natural response.

Your effort to contort this to fit the myth of poor beleaguered white people is weak.

I fething lolled. Holy gak did I lol. Wait, someone post one of those pics with the fruit that have teeth and gak, because that's how much thoguht went into that post. Dear sweet bouncing baby Jesus.

Wrexasaur wrote:It is clear that he is a dingbat... so I see no reason for them to report extrapolations about his agenda....

What the hell is wwrong with that so long as they are properly identified?
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Why does it matter what the dingbat thinks?

How do you "properly identify" extrapolated information?

Where are my damn nachoes?!?

GODDAMIT!!!

grizgrin wrote:I'll try and squeeze out a tear for them next time I sit down to pay my bills.

But... then your makeup will run...

Anyone watching would see that Taylor was not going to win an Oscar for acting as she wasn't acting upset. I've seen staged crap on the VMA's and that was not staged.

Luna has a point. As I said earlier odds are had it been reversed race would have been brought into it. I don't want to think it would have been but the realistic side of life slaps me to my senses and says "Wake up and smell the Starbucks dummy."

Race being brought into Vick vs Kanye has the same bearing. Had either situation been reversed their are those out there who would have played the race card. Doesn't matter if you or I agree or disagree, it would have happened.

Fateweaver wrote:Race being brought into Vick vs Kanye has the same bearing. Had either situation been reversed their are those out there who would have played the race card. Doesn't matter if you or I agree or disagree, it would have happened.

HOLY CRAP!!! WTF IS THAT?



We are simply too busy Wrex... go away...

LunaHound wrote:Hmm , im not sure what cocker mocking Jackson means .

I mentioned it on page 1, and reds8n mentioned it again a few posts ago.

In 1994, or thereabouts, Michael Jackson was performing at the Brit awards, where he acted all Christ like while kids danced around him. The lead singer of a band called Pulp, Jarvis Cocker, who was mightily trashed, got up on stage and did a parody of Jacksons performance, particularly the messianic elements.

Despite Cocker being white and Jackson black, no issue was made of race. Jackson claimed a few of the kids were hurt or scared and acted kind of weird like he does, lots of people either said 'Cocker shouldn't have done it' or 'while Cocker shouldn't have done it Jackson's performance was kind of wanky'.

But my sentence means what it means.
Its basic and simple , no hidden meanings. Dont over think it seb , you dont consider me dumb without reason right? So just take my sentence as it is .
That or read what fateweaver said , he understood what i meant.

I'm taking you at face value. You think race would have been a big issue if a white person did it to a black person, despite not knowing of any similar instances where race became an issue. I'm guessing that despite an instance being pointed out to you where a white person did it to a black person and no issue was made of race, you're going to carry on believing.


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Fateweaver wrote:I don't think, I'm positive. Let us look back to the Vick dog fight bust. Minorities (and I admit some white folk) were saying that had it been Peyton Manning or Brett Favre that they would have gotten a hand slap.

First up, prison sentencing is a lot more racially charged than someone being a jerk at an awards show. Second up, why not discuss a more direct instance, Cocker jumping on stage during Jackson's performance?

To pretend it would not have been made into a "Taylor is racist" situation by SOMEONE is quite, frankly having your head up your ass and not seeing the forest for it's trees.

You're changing the terms of the discussion. You can always find someone, somewhere that'll make a point about race, or about whatever other pet issue they may have. If Lunahound had said, "I reckon if the tables were turned there would have been some idiots complaining it was racist" I might have laughed and said "yeah, probably, there's no shortage of idiots capable of getting on the talking heads shows".

But that is not what Luna said. Luna said "He is so racist ... so is the media ...

imagine if its Taylor doing that to him , she would be booed off the stage already. (truth) "

Now from that, Luna is asserting West's motivation was racism. He's asserting the media as a whole would be making a racial issue of this. He's claiming the audience didn't instantly boo West because they are also racist.

Which is, of course, ridiculous.

Mod: This thread is starting to throw off alerts because of sniping about this race issue.

Don't forget the OT forum has rules.

Locking thread to prevent flame war.