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Well well... it looks like those who think it is official have voted. Gwar has lost lots of ground.

solkan wrote:If I were playing against a complete stranger, with no other discussion than "Do you want to play a game? How many points do you have?" then the default for me would be that the rulebook, codices, errata and FAQ's all would apply. As a Reforming Evil Sophist, I am compelled to defend this as the one true way to play, unless the other person enters into rules negotiations before playing.

That's perfectly reasonable as a standpoint. However the poll isn't asking whether the FAQs are useful in tourney play or in games vs. unknown gamers/clubs/et al.

The poll is asking whether the FAQs are 'official' (and by that I presume he means that they are official rules). To which the answer, as provided by GW, is obviously no, they are not. Then again, the poll question inculdes the subjective 'do you consider' so I suppose that's perfectly fine, if just a continuation of the flawed nature of the poll.

Afrikan Blonde wrote:Well well... it looks like those who think it is official have voted. Gwar has lost lots of ground.

You still have more people voting them unofficial than official.

Not that it matters, they ARE unofficial, no matter how much you QQ

Please stop with the leet comments Gwar.

48% official or treat as official.

46% unofficial or treat as unofficial.

We are winning now.

Afrikan Blonde wrote:We are winning now.

Now I have a better understanding of the wording.

kirsanth wrote:

Afrikan Blonde wrote:We are winning now.

Now I have a better understanding of the wording.

Yup, so do I. Glad to see this poll was about "winning" rather than finding out the views of the members eh?

War is hell.

Gwar! wrote:Yup, so do I. Glad to see this poll was about "winning" rather than finding out the views of the members eh?

It does show the views....

And the OP didnt try to "win" like you did.

So Faq's are "official" stuff here:

GW website / GW event ( league ):

§3 Gültige Spielregeln & Armeelisten

Es gelten die Regeln des Warhammer-40.000-Regelbuches der 5. Edition (2008) sofern nicht durch offizielle Errata geändert oder durch Fragen und Antworten des Schreines des Wissens berichtigt.

Still, answers, not the rules themselves. But mandatory there.

Yes, because the ENGLISH people who Wrote the rules in ENGLISH have stated on the ENGLISH website in ENGLISH that the FAQs are nothing but house rules (In ENGLISH), are obviously not as important as some translator.

Gwar! wrote:Yes, because the ENGLISH people who Wrote the rules in ENGLISH have stated on the ENGLISH website in ENGLISH that the FAQs are nothing but house rules (In ENGLISH), are obviously not as important as some translator.

Oh I am sorry mandatory publications used in "official" events are not "official" enough for those who cant accept a different POV.

Cry me ariver if you must, but that doesnt change what GW says on their own site.

Link: http://lokal.games-workshop.de/liga/info-sektion/regeln/spielregeln.shtm

Should i link to Warhammer world too? They also use GW faqs.... Could help, cause they may be english enough...

Hey now don't let it get to you. We are talking about toy soldiers after all.

Pretty sure the phrase "toy soldiers" doesn't belong in a YMDC thread

1hadhq wrote:Should i link to Warhammer world too? They also use GW faqs.... Could help, cause they may be english enough...

The Queen herself could use the FAQs for all I care. That does not change that GW, by their own admission, have stated the FAQs are house rules. House rules are not official. Otherwise, I can house rule that all your models have 1 for all their stats and no armour save, and you would have to play that way, even if I have never seen you before or ever will see you.

1hadhq wrote:Oh I am sorry mandatory publications used in "official" events are not "official" enough for those who cant accept a different POV.

I can easily accept a different point of view. However, as I originally said, it very much depends on how one defines 'official' in this particular question.

I think the FAQs officially come from GW
I think the FAQ is officially used at many tourneys.
I do not think the FAQ is officially rules - and GW says the same thing on their site.
I do think Errata are officially rules, and GW concurs.

Also, the FAQ is a mandatory publication? What do you mean by that?

Afrikan Blonde wrote:Hey now don't let it get to you. We are talking about toy soldiers after all.

I honestly am starting to think from your comments that this entire thing was just something to get at Gwar. I may be wrong, but eh. Also loltied.

Thor665 wrote:Also, the FAQ is a mandatory publication? What do you mean by that?

No idea. GW Certainly do not think they are Mandatory considering there is still no Chaos Daemons FAQ... after what, close to 2 years now?


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Eternal Newb wrote:

Afrikan Blonde wrote:Hey now don't let it get to you. We are talking about toy soldiers after all.

I honestly am starting to think from your comments that this entire thing was just something to get at Gwar. I may be wrong, but eh. Also loltied.

I am sure it was, but it happens so often now I have long since stopped caring.

Gwar! wrote: GW Certainly do not think they are Mandatory considering there is still no Chaos Daemons FAQ... after what, close to 2 years now?

Dude, why would you want to fuss around with perfection?

1hadhq wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Yes, because the ENGLISH people who Wrote the rules in ENGLISH have stated on the ENGLISH website in ENGLISH that the FAQs are nothing but house rules (In ENGLISH), are obviously not as important as some translator.

Oh I am sorry mandatory publications used in "official" events are not "official" enough for those who cant accept a different POV.

Cry me ariver if you must, but that doesnt change what GW says on their own site.

Link: http://lokal.games-workshop.de/liga/info-sektion/regeln/spielregeln.shtm

Should i link to Warhammer world too? They also use GW faqs.... Could help, cause they may be english enough...

Actually the man from the land of fine ubercars and hot blonds is correct. Its official in German, then its official for players using the German version. The FAQs are official.


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Gwar! wrote:

1hadhq wrote:Should i link to Warhammer world too? They also use GW faqs.... Could help, cause they may be english enough...

The Queen herself could use the FAQs for all I care. That does not change that GW, by their own admission, have stated the FAQs are house rules. House rules are not official. Otherwise, I can house rule that all your models have 1 for all their stats and no armour save, and you would have to play that way, even if I have never seen you before or ever will see you.

And you're one vote Gwar. I cancel you out. Neither of us exist! (do we still have to pay taxes and obey traffic laws?)

Frazzled wrote:Actually the man from the land of fine ubercars and hot blonds is correct. Its official in German, then its official for players using the German version. The FAQs are official.

What the hell! Now I have to move to Germany in order to get a company that will stand behind their FAQs. I can only dream that they'd start doing that here too.

Ummm...I think you're all missing the point that FAQs are Official at ALL OFFICIAL GW EVENTS.

Even in the UK, and US, not just Deutschland.

Since that isn't news, we're back to the whole "Are they House Rules" flow chart.

Frazzled wrote:Neither of us exist! (do we still have to pay taxes and obey traffic laws?)

Roll a d6 for it. If the the government rolls higher, lower, or equal to you - yes, you do.

Ah, but some forget the first rule that appears in the book.

The most important rule then is that the rules aren’t all that important! So long as both players agree, you can treat them as sacrosanct or mere guidelines – the choice is entirely yours.

So, you see by RAW, all of the rules are house rules.

Elessar wrote:Ummm...I think you're all missing the point that FAQs are Official at ALL OFFICIAL GW EVENTS.

Even in the UK, and US, not just Deutschland.

Since that isn't news, we're back to the whole "Are they House Rules" flow chart.

No we are not. Why can't you just accept that you are wrong for once?

Elessar wrote:Ummm...I think you're all missing the point that FAQs are Official at ALL OFFICIAL GW EVENTS.

Even in the UK, and US, not just Deutschland.

Since that isn't news, we're back to the whole "Are they House Rules" flow chart.

I thought what Frazzled was saying was that on the German GW page they don't claim the FAQ as house rules. If they don't I wish they would do so everywhere. If they do then you're correct, it becomes a question of how official someone belives 'studio house rules' are.


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Afrikan Blonde wrote:No we are not. Why can't you just accept that you are wrong for once?

Ouch!

How is he wrong exactly? I take it you consider 'studio house rules' to be official. That's fine. But how is it wrong to not consider house rules official?

Thor665 wrote:
I can easily accept a different point of view. However, as I originally said, it very much depends on how one defines 'official' in this particular question.

I think the FAQs officially come from GW
I think the FAQ is officially used at many tourneys.
I do not think the FAQ is officially rules - and GW says the same thing on their site.
I do think Errata are officially rules, and GW concurs.

This.

Demojerk wrote:

Thor665 wrote:
I can easily accept a different point of view. However, as I originally said, it very much depends on how one defines 'official' in this particular question.

I think the FAQs officially come from GW
I think the FAQ is officially used at many tourneys.
I do not think the FAQ is officially rules - and GW says the same thing on their site.
I do think Errata are officially rules, and GW concurs.

This.

Or not.

Would you care to point out the error in my points? I fail to see it.

Afrikan Blonde wrote:

Demojerk wrote:

Or not.

there is no reason to directly insult me.