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Given that GW are on the rampage at the moment, could I ask the members of the board if the logo I've created for my new freelance venture is stylised enough to escape their attentions? The logo can be found here: http://www.wessexwyverns.org.uk/wulfstan.html

Yeah, it's fine.


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Hang on a minute...

If the cited reason in many of these cases is reproduction of points costs and stat lines, isn't BOLS in the firing line for the alternative army lists it makes for the Badab Uprising, Genestealer Cults etc?

Looks good. It is not going to be related to any 40k what-nots will it?

Thanks Fateweaver, I am kind of embarassed to have missed that spelling since I used to be a case manager for the Probate dept in our state Court House. Can we blame it on my recent Cherry and Honey flavored Ricola throat drop addiction? That was a joke by the way and so was the previous post. Even though it was a joke and I was intentionally whimsically bending the intent of that passage they could sue over harmful criticism that results in the loss of revenue as long as it is not factually based such as a consumer report pointing out a defect. An instance could be where I have suggested that the last batch of Skaven that were skulpted in what 2001 or so looked like monkey-rats and I would never buy them, that is opinion based and if they can prove that they have lost revenue for it they could come after me for that lost revenue and any potential future revenue. It would be the first time I have been sued for somthing like that but not the first time a company has lost a case due to an on-air personality rattling off their opinion. Though, just out of curiosity can the forum site be sued for libel for our ill expressed feelings, or are we kings of our own desitiny at that point?

BaronIveagh wrote:Maybe Tamiya would be a better example. I've built a lot of Tamiya kits over the years, with parts from Verlindin, Dragon, etc. I have never heard of a cease and desist order from Tamiya to any website for using their graphics, modding their models, or seen them request that I not use whatever parts I want, even though their kits are, in fact, their IP. Nor have I heard such a thing from any other mini or model manufacturer.

Military kits are a slightly different issue, as ownership of the IP falls into all sorts of grey areas.

Tamiya may create a model of, say, a Challenger tank. But the ownership of the original IP is questionable. At least from what I've been reading recently, the law has yet to decide in the case of military vehicles whether the IP belongs the company that originally designed the vehicle, the defense department that commissioned it, or the taxpayers who actually payed for it to happen. The only thing that everyone's pretty confident of is that producers of military models can't claim to own the IP for these sorts of kits, because they didn't design the original, and they didn't get permission to make the model based on that original.

You also won't hear of cease and desists being issued over the use of parts from or modifications of these kits because it's too hard to prove which kit you used. One Sherman tank kit looks pretty much like any other Sherman tank kit. They'd be pretty useless if they didn't.

insaniak wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:Maybe Tamiya would be a better example. I've built a lot of Tamiya kits over the years, with parts from Verlindin, Dragon, etc. I have never heard of a cease and desist order from Tamiya to any website for using their graphics, modding their models, or seen them request that I not use whatever parts I want, even though their kits are, in fact, their IP. Nor have I heard such a thing from any other mini or model manufacturer.

Military kits are a slightly different issue, as ownership of the IP falls into all sorts of grey areas.

Tamiya may create a model of, say, a Challenger tank. But the ownership of the original IP is questionable. At least from what I've been reading recently, the law has yet to decide in the case of military vehicles whether the IP belongs the company that originally designed the vehicle, the defense department that commissioned it, or the taxpayers who actually payed for it to happen. The only thing that everyone's pretty confident of is that producers of military models can't claim to own the IP for these sorts of kits, because they didn't design the original, and they didn't get permission to make the model based on that original.

You also won't hear of cease and desists being issued over the use of parts from or modifications of these kits because it's too hard to prove which kit you used. One Sherman tank kit looks pretty much like any other Sherman tank kit. They'd be pretty useless if they didn't.

Not true, box art and mold layout can be and are IP of the manufacturer. The actual model itself might not be.

I am currently making a conversion which blasphemously combines parts from GW, Gundam, and Terminator into a single model.

I'm pondering whether to jam some Halo stuff on there too, for Extra Heresy.

Don't forget the new Avatar toys too!

BaronIveagh wrote:Not true, box art and mold layout can be and are IP of the manufacturer. The actual model itself might not be.

Given that the actual model is what I was talking about, I'm curious as to which part you think isn't true.

Kilkrazy wrote:I am currently making a conversion which blasphemously combines parts from GW, Gundam, and Terminator into a single model.

I'm pondering whether to jam some Halo stuff on there too, for Extra Heresy.

Way to go, lil baby Jebus totally hates you now, he told me himself. Sheesh. What is wrong with you people?!? No respect for the hobby... which is exactly why you people play and use it for your own creative projects. It is obvious!

Ok, here's a question that occurs to me, due to some rather strange activity over on Warseer suddenly: How many sites have gotten C&Ds without telling anyone?

Reason I ask is that the Warseer mods seem to be going around squashing this story. Hard.

I started a thread on it over there and very, very few posts are lasting more then a few hours, as the mods sweep through and erase them as OT. To the point that the thread has contracted a whole page size while I was reading it. (I got 10 demerits myself, as discussing why GW was issuing them all was off topic in a thread discussing the fact that they were issuing a bunch of them.)

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Kilkrazy wrote:I am currently making a conversion which blasphemously combines parts from GW, Gundam, and Terminator into a single model.

I'm pondering whether to jam some Halo stuff on there too, for Extra Heresy.

Do they still make treasure troll dolls?

EDIT: That doesn't make much sense though...if Warseer had gotten a C&D for whatever reason then what good would it do to quash all discussion on the topic? If you were implying that Warseer even got one.

Kilkrazy wrote:I am currently making a conversion which blasphemously combines parts from GW, Gundam, and Terminator into a single model.

I'm pondering whether to jam some Halo stuff on there too, for Extra Heresy.

Dont forget to add a impact miniature blood ball for extra touch.

BaronIveagh wrote:Ok, here's a question that occurs to me, due to some rather strange activity over on Warseer suddenly: How many sites have gotten C&Ds without telling anyone?

Reason I ask is that the Warseer mods seem to be going around squashing this story. Hard.

I started a thread on it over there and very, very few posts are lasting more then a few hours, as the mods sweep through and erase them as OT. To the point that the thread has contracted a whole page size while I was reading it. (I got 10 demerits myself, as discussing why GW was issuing them all was off topic in a thread discussing the fact that they were issuing a bunch of them.)

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Warseer is filled with a bunch of prigs..

I said it and I think mostly everyone here will back me up. They delete any mention of non-GW products (even if it pertains to 40K) as well as discussions that question the board and mods actions. They dont edit, they flat out delete. I now know why GW closed its own forums down.. why go through the headache when you can pay another board owner to advertise only your products and make it look like its all hobbyist free opinion on how great they are.

Call me sour, but after spending 300$ to try to advertise with them and not getting any response for 5 months, they are nothing more then a GW advertising board IMO.

You have no evidence Warseer admins are being bribed by Games Workshop, and the accusation is frankly idiotic.

As the adage goes, never attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.

Agamemnon2 wrote:You have no evidence Warseer admins are being bribed by Games Workshop, and the accusation is frankly idiotic.

As the adage goes, never attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.

That is my opinion based on actions many people have witnessed on that board. Can you give me another explanation as to why they blatantly block mention of ANY companies minis but GWs (by block I mean move, delete or edit).

It may not be the admins, it could be just the owner, in any case, they are doing the best job of pro-GW censorship I have ever witnessed.

Can't say I've seen much of that myself.

Aye they are sometimes trigger happy on subjects, but with the numbers they deal with over there I'd imagine Modding on Seer can be a bit of a nightmare.

As to non GW stuff, well aye post it in the 40K/Warhammer section and it'll be gone (or at least moved to the correct forum.) But there are non GW model forums over there that are quite active.

If you talking about stuff 'like GW' but not GW, Avatars of War and such are usually quite happily found in the right GW themed forum.

So aye, not really something I'm seeing, from my observations anyway.

Let us not forget the GW spies. They surround us, silently, stealthily scurrying about, questioning IP rights and whtanot.

Sidstyler wrote:EDIT: That doesn't make much sense though...if Warseer had gotten a C&D for whatever reason then what good would it do to quash all discussion on the topic? If you were implying that Warseer even got one.

No we haven't and eight out of sixty eight posts have been removed despite multiple warnings that members should stay on topic and haven't.

As for the other Warseer subject on here I'll refrain from replying as it would get me into trouble and be off topic.

Chapterhouse, if you don't like Warseer, feel free to post here!

But seriously, please do not attack other forums, especially with unproven accusations. Every messageboard is run by people with different ideas of what they want on their board.

Dakka is known for being more lenient, but we also have to spend more time cleaning up after the chowderheads.

Lorek wrote:
Dakka is known for being more lenient, but we also have to spend more time cleaning up after the chowderheads.

Hello there!

In other news, lets get back to reeling from GWs overly hostile grandstanding over it's perceived need to protect it's IP from it's own fanbase.

Other forums are available, your mileage may vary.

I have just deleted a slew of posts from this thread, since people chose to ignore Lorek's first warning.

Let's keep the thread on-topic, please.

im suprised it's even still going honestly.

Was gw able to trademark, (orcs, trolls,vampires,) ETC.
Because those words and or descriptions were in common folk lore, long before GW began. If not their fantasy line has no protection.

No, it could not possibly tm or even try to claim ownership over the word goblin for example.

It can and has claimed ownership and rightly so, of the things it has created, like Khorne or Skaven. It would not be able to tm something like a 'chaos god of war' or 'mutated fantasy ratmen' though.

If they really want to be lame they could maybe possibly think they have reason to complain about some of the smileys, but I doubt it would be a real issue.

TBD wrote:If they really want to be lame they could maybe possibly think they have reason to complain about some of the smileys, but I doubt it would be a real issue.

Quoted to be veiwable

Happygrunt wrote:Quoted to be veiwable

But I made it small so the GW spies would read over it.

Now if it gives them any ideas it will be your fault

insaniak wrote:One Sherman tank kit looks pretty much like any other Sherman tank kit. They'd be pretty useless if they didn't.

I've heard that the universe will implode if two different manufacturers of the same replica tank/aircraft etc. make a model that is the same size as someone else's. Conversion kits are always made with one manufacturer in mind.

Brimstone wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:EDIT: That doesn't make much sense though...if Warseer had gotten a C&D for whatever reason then what good would it do to quash all discussion on the topic? If you were implying that Warseer even got one.

No we haven't and eight out of sixty eight posts have been removed despite multiple warnings that members should stay on topic and haven't.

As for the other Warseer subject on here I'll refrain from replying as it would get me into trouble and be off topic.

I won't discuss this issue after this post either, but about 1 in 6 posts on a thread being OT seems a little odd to some of us, as it was down to 64 posts last I looked, and shrinking. Discussing what might motivate GW legal to issue the C&Ds does not seem OT in a thread about them issuing the C&Ds, which is what I got pegged for.

All this talk makes me look at the contrast between GW and Blizzard. One is zealous about using C&D's while the other seems to want their imagery and art spread as far afield as possible.