a Tervigon/TyrannoFex set? + TremorBeast set?

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**Defiler**

Chapterhouse wrote:That and add the fact we all have a bunch of pretty useless carnifi laying around now :(...

Sounds like buyer's remorse to me.

I never understood why everyone thought it was a good idea to go out and buy 6 Car-foxs in the first place. "Let's go get some stock in enron, purchase some disco clothes - man, this ride will never end!"

Then they swing back to appropriate point costs, considering the redundancy of them in the list and everyone moans their "useless fexs".

I'm honestly very darkly fulfilled reading comments about people bemoaning their decision to purchase units for a tournament list. Every argument has always been, "if I don't Monster up, how can I win with the standard codex?".

The real monster enthusiasts are much more excited about the new book, and the power-gamers are all left to convert them into other, more "useful things."

Hah-hah.

**H.B.M.C.**

It seems that Defiler is actually a real-life example of a DCGM member.

**puma713**

BrassScorpion wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't like having a bunch of bugs based off the 'fex? Seems like we're turning the 'fex into a Rhino chassis - a generic base that you slap different weapons onto.
Basing new creatures and models on existing designs not only allows GW to re-use existing sprues, which saves them money, but it allows model converters to convert those new creatures from existing kits without having to sculpt an entire creature from scratch, something that's beyond nearly all of even the most talented converters. I don't think most hobbyists mind the use of existing designs as the basis for new creations and gamers who dislike or are unable to do complex conversions most certainly don't mind it as they simply want an acceptable model to use in their games with a minimum of fuss. Re-use of design elements also gives all the models in an army a coherent look that is generally desirable. I for one was glad that the Tyrannofex shares a lot of elements with the Carnifex based on the artwork in the Codex. It took me most of my hobby time for a week to widen and sculpt new elements onto the model as it is. I don't think I would have tackled the project at all if I had needed to build the entire model from scratch.

+1

I feel the same way. Personally, I use mawlocs and tervigons. This is a marriage made in kitbash heaven. With a Carnifex box and the smaller talons from the mawloc set, I can craft a fairly convincing Tervigon. Bash two big guns together (or guns with girth) and I could come up with a tyrannofex, I'm sure (I just haven't been able to convince myself to spend 250 points on a 2-shot Str 10 weapon or 20 shot str 4 weapon). And then, I use the remaining pieces of the carnifex set to kit out my tyrants and happily put together the mawloc as it is intended to be assembled.

**ShumaGorath**

Chapterhouse wrote:That and add the fact we all have a bunch of pretty useless carnifi laying around now :(...

Yeah it's terrible when an obviously and remarkably undercosted unit gets a stat boost and is then costed appropriately with other similarly capable units. The fex is far from useless in it's current iteration, it's just not the only choice worth taking in the codex anymore. The big issue with the model is that it went from something capable of supporting an army all by its lonesome when taken en masse to it's rightful place as a hard attack unit meant to lead a combined arms force.

**Chapterhouse**

Yes it is pretty much useless. Why would any smart player take a 160 point tougness 6 with 4 wound creature (and slow and low attacks and initiative).

When they can take a little more expensive, fleeting, 6 attack, init 4, 6 wound creature?

A smart player usually wont.

So yes, the carnifi are much useless after the codex came out.

Why was this thread taken off topic again (My post added ideas on what the players can do to make a tyranofex and tervigon..).

**Whatever1**

Chapterhouse wrote:Yes it is pretty much useless. Why would any smart player take a 160 point tougness 6 with 4 wound creature (and slow and low attacks and initiative).

When they can take a little more expensive, fleeting, 6 attack, init 4, 6 wound creature?

A smart player usually wont.

So yes, the carnifi are much useless after the codex came out.

Why was this thread taken off topic again (My post added ideas on what the players can do to make a tyranofex and tervigon..).

Well,I wouldn't say they're useless. However,it seems like they're very co-dependant on other units in the 'nid 'dex(Venomthropes to provide 5+ cover and defensive grenades,Tervigon to give FNP,Hive Tyrant for Preferred Enemy) to get optimum use out of them. IMO,they would've been 10x better if you could equip them differently in a brood to get wound allocation,but they'll still soak a ton of fire and still cause massive damage if they reach your opponent's battleline. Str 9 also has it's uses. While in a lot of cases,Str 6 is just as good,Str 9 ID's T4. The 'fexes can insta-gib most HQ's and make short work of T4 multi-wound units like Warriors,Raveners,Nobz,etc,that will tie up a Tervigon for a while. The 'fex is also a much more effective tank buster because of it's high strength. So,the 'fexes still have their uses,it's just up to the player to get them into position to use their unique strengths.

**Steelmage99**

Shep tested out using Carnifexes in squadrons and had OK succes with it.
Str.9 and the rerolls from twin scythes made short work of even fast moving transports. Their footprint (and the tactical use of the rest of the army) made it near impossible for the vehicles to escape the fexes (and the supporting Trygons).

**brassangel**

***UPDATE***

There will apparently be another wave of Tyranids coming soon, possibly a 3rd after that.

A Harpy is supposedly due with the "Summer of Flyers" 40k release, but that's not a part of the wave. This 2nd wave will either be in the fall or winter, and hopefully not pushed back any further. Think of how the Dark Eldar got some wave releases around and during the time of the new Grey Knights release, and expect this wave to be rather quiet alongside either the Tau or Necrons.

The models are said to be:

Tyrannofex/Tervigon (plastic kit - roughly US $50, like the Trygon)
Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord (plastic kit - roughly US $53, like the Dreadknight - if you've seen the size of the Swarmlord in Dawn of War 2: Retribution, you have the right idea...)
The Doom of Malan'tai (either metal, or that new resin/plastic hybrid we've been hearing about)
Special Edition Ymgarl Genestealer (1 mold only, Direct Order only)

Take with enough salt to season pasta water.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Hopefully the Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord will still be on the 60mm, otherwise alot of players will have to rebase their swarmlords.

**ChiliPowderKeg**

Too bad Fail-tobucket somehow lost the images posted a year ago I don't recall seeing. *moan*

**Mannahnin**

Thread Necromancy is against the rules, yo.