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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General






Home Base: Waconia, MN (Minneapolis)

So we paid $60 for a one day event? I'm sorry that you guys didn't get a turn out but this is bull pucky. I've got a friend that wouldn't have signed up at all for a 1 day event. Let alone spent the $60 for it. This change is ridiculous with doing it less than a week to go. Some people booked rooms they won't be able to get back so you costing your customers money. To be honest with the way it has been handled thus far I probably wouldn't be inclined to pay the $1 for the event in november because even though it's billed in the OC who is to say it won't wind up in Arizona the week before or that you won't cancel that one if you don't get the turnout your looking for.

Obviously I'm a little peeved at the latest communication.

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What happened with this?
   
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General






Home Base: Waconia, MN (Minneapolis)

They didn't get enough people signed up so at the last minute they have:

-Changed it to a 4 game 1 day event

and

-Changed the location of the event

Both with less than a week to go. I've also asked them how this will affect the scoring as with only 5 games the previously listed scoring is of course not correct anymore and would make painting a much larger influence on the overall outcome.

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Fixture of Dakka






San Jose, CA

Ouch. That's a nasty little bait-and-switch (and, were I signed up, I'd be tempted to do a little consumer protection law reading).

I'm going to be in San Diego on vacation, instead.

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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General






Home Base: Waconia, MN (Minneapolis)

I've already asked if some money would be coming back as the the price they originally set was for a 2-day, 5 game event. I'm waiting on a response.

It's even more frustrating because there is a RTT down in San Diego on Saturday that will have almost the same number of 40k guys, will be 3 games, but will only cost $10......

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Hey Y'all

Like you I got the letter this morning also.
I'm looking into adjusting the Painting scores to match a 4 game tournament vs a 5 game tournament so paint will not be event worth more then it should be. (I'll probobly just muliply by .8)

Sports and Battle are fine and will not be adjusted.

Any other questions about why or how or anything not related to rules need to be directed to Mondo as I will not have answers for you.

Doc

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Awesome Autarch






San Diego, California

@Janthkin
There is an RTT at Game Empire in SD that same day. If you are looking form some gaming, check it out.

@Hulk
Yeah, $60 or a one day event is pretty crazy. It is still a Golden Ticket event though, which is the only silver lining I can see.

   
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Fixture of Dakka






San Jose, CA

Reecius wrote:@Janthkin
There is an RTT at Game Empire in SD that same day. If you are looking form some gaming, check it out.
Vacation with wife. Must replenish wife points, which have been seriously drained from Adepticon onward over the last few months....

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Longtime Dakkanaut






Los Angeles, CA

Getting to hang out with Shep seems like a pretty good silver lining too right Reece?

But yeah, I've never really heard of this happening before. After collecting our money up front in full, with our good faith, then what we paid for changed? Wow...

So no one signed up, and the organizers are going to lose money. that sucks, but you know who's fault it ISN'T?

The guys that signed up.

I am about to dump thousands of dollars into tables and terrain to host our groups RTTs and GTs away from game stores. I have no allusions about how 'lucrative' running warhammer tourneys is going to be. Its for the love, period.

Please check out my current project blog

Feel free to PM me to talk about your list ideas....

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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot




Columbus, Ohio

Sorry guys, but wholy crap, I feel like I've just dodged a bullet with this one...

I hope all of you can get your money back... In my opinion, even those that are still going should get something back. You paid for a 2-day 5 round tournament and even booked rooms for the event.

As I'm curious, can someone post up the email or PM it to me to read?

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Awesome Autarch






San Diego, California

Hi gang,

If you are receiving this email it is because you are a registered player for our GT Qualifier this coming weekend. We have a very small number of players involved, and the last thing we will ever do is cancel an event ever again, so this is what we came up with to make this first year effort viable.

With only 19 players total at the moment, we will be able to hold the event as a One Day event on this Saturday June 26. With the number of players involved, we really only need four rounds to declare winners for the event, so we will be running four rounds on Saturday.

We have booked a venue that is more suited to the size of the event, and yet, is still close enough for those of you who choose to stay at the original hotel. (The hall is just under 1.5 miles from the hotel.)

The new location for the event is the Knights of Columbus hall located at 1127 N. Anaheim Blvd, Anaheim CA 92801. I've attached a google map attachment to the new location from the old location. Here is the link.

It is important that we hear back from each of you in the next couple of days to verify that everyone has received this information. Once you respond, we will send you a schedule for the day.

On a very positive note, the board building and terrain building projects are going well. We will have all very high quality boards and terrain for the event. Thanks to Ray Gonzales and his gang for their help. We will be storing the boards in the OC area, so that the community can have access to them at the St Crispin's Irregular meetings held at the same venue throughout the year.

I will be sending out updates a few times a day with who has responded and who we are still waiting on, as some of you might know some of the other folks playing and be able to call them directly if they miss this email.

We have prize support to hand out, and most importantly, four golden tickets to award to the winners of each of the tournaments.

Thanks for your understanding as we do everything we can to go through with the event, yet keep from losing thousands while we build this new tournament in the OC area.

Also, each of you will be eligible to purchase a ticket to our second show in the OC the weekend of November 5-6, the Orange County Crush, for only $1. Our way of saying thank you for supporting our new effort.

Take care,
Mondo


That's the letter.

And yeah, hanging with Shep is always a bonus!

Janthkin, I feel you, well, i am not married, but I can understand having to avoid significant other trouble! If you need any ideas for fun stuff to do while you are here, hit me up.


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And now I don't feel bad for not painting more stuff. I am going to be bringing the whatever is painted list again. I just have had no motivation to paint lately. My list is going to be pretty funky.

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Getting my broom incase there is shenanigans.

I am in a different boat than the So. Cal guys because I have to come from Phoenix.

This was a bad time for me to begin with, and now I have an out and I think I will take it.


 
   
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot




Columbus, Ohio

Thanks Reece... By reading that, my guess is that there won't be any money coming back to you guys and instead you are able to pay $1 for their tournament in November...

The funny thing is that with 19 people registered, they ended up with more than I thought they would... Given what happened in Vegas, and that there was very little advertisment for the event outside of this thread, I wonder just how many people they expected?

Well for you guys still going, best of luck to you... My guess is that on this short notice that their email won't reach everyone to respond in time and where they have 19 guys signed up to play now it will probably be more like 10 people playing at their new location.

On a good note, there's still an RTT at Game Empire in SD on the same day, and I hear that there is a GW auction going on from 3-6 PM on Saturday night at the Battle Bunker.



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Castle Clarkenstein

Gentlemen,

I don't have a horse in this race, as I'm 3000 miles away, but I'll throw my 2 cents in.

If you want your money back, and don't want to go, there should be absolutely no reason for them not refunding your money. They changed the venue, changed the event. It's now a different event. Legally, and morally, they can't keep your money if you want a refund, and contact them in a timely manner.

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Awesome Autarch






San Diego, California

Yeah, but it was confirmed it is still a Golden Ticket event, so the munchkin in me says this may be a really good time to get that ticket....although the few guys going are good, so it is conceivable to play the same player twice, which would be pretty weak sauce.

   
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I have family commitments or it would probably be my only shot at a fantasy golden ticket, since I am running more crap than I can actually play in this year.....
   
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Regular Dakkanaut




Reecius wrote:so it is conceivable to play the same player twice, which would be pretty weak sauce.


You will not need to play the same player twice.

Doc

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whidbey

I will never play in a conquest event ever again. they promise one thing and then either cancel or change the event. this seems to be an ongoing problem with this group. save your money and play somewhere else.
   
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Sarasota, FL

I'm glad I wasn't reassured enough early on to plan a trip around a 2 day event (that is now 1) that isn't happening where it was supposed to. Short notice cancelling of Vegas and now this last minute change, I have not attended a ConQuest event (my local one was cancelled) and after reading all this I will surely never plan on attending one in the future. I'm just glad I did not pre-purchase for Vegas or this one.

I do hope those participating have a good time regardless.

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Awesome Autarch






San Diego, California

Hey, I emailed Doc Dragon trying to get my money back. He has not gotten back to me, is anyone else having this problem?

This thing is too screwed up, I would rather drink some beers and watch team USA in the World Cup at this point.

Blackmoor, you said you were trying to get your money back, did you have any luck?

I would rather not have to go through PayPal to get my cash back.

   
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Longtime Dakkanaut






Getting my broom incase there is shenanigans.

I have been busy and I have not been able to write him, but I think you write Mondo (Vega?) instead of Doc Dragon for a refund. Doc is just a judge.

I have no idea what they are thinking with the way they are promoting this event. Doc did a little bit to give us some info, but compare this to what MVBrant is doing in the NOVA open thread to make sure he is getting the players to show up. Here is a news flash, you can't dangle Golden Tickets to Vegas and charge $60 and expect people to show up without putting in any effort.

It is grounds enough to demand your money back out of pure incompetence that the TO is showing. All of their events so far have been a fiasco, and I hope Games Workshop takes away any further invitations to the Las Vegas GT from them.


 
   
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Awesome Autarch






San Diego, California

I emailed both of them this time, hopefully that gets the job done.

   
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You guys have my sympathies.

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Angry Chaos Agitator






Long Beach, CA

Doh.. guess it will just be Shep and I then

2 night stay at a hotel, $60 ticket to an RTT... I got burned

I agree that marketing was poor for this. I did see a flyer at hte LA Battle Bunker, but that was it other than on this board and the GW site (as an option for LV GT), but that was it.

Lesson Learned.

Whats really sad is the poor "business" logic this represents for them. They cancel an event, but have anotherone scheduled. So all the people that planned early got burned. They have another event, and attempt to adjust based on early sign ups, but since people watching saw that their other event was cancelled they want to wait unilt last minute to commit to coming. But wait, as a result of less early sign ups, they adjust event, and then prove to the consumer that it was the better option to wait. So now, they have yet another event in the future and ... Fool me once shame on thee, fool me twice shame on me.

Word of advice, if you expect to succeed start think about rebranding, "avalon conquest" is dead And once you rebrand, think like a business, and plan on losing money when you start up these endeavors, build a brand, and then you will be able to cover your costs. Don't tarnish your name by trying to cover the costs for every event, thats self defeating.

A rant and a ramble...

   
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General






Home Base: Waconia, MN (Minneapolis)

Anybody else heard back from them on the revised schedule yet? It's been over 40 hours since the last email I got and since the tourney is less than 48 hours away I was wondering if anyone had heard what time it starts at and what time it ends?

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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot




Columbus, Ohio

I still have my suspicions that this whole thing will probaby cancel at the last minute...

Reading through the email that was sent to you guys there are a couple parts that stand out to me. The first one is this part:

"It is important that we hear back from each of you in the next couple of days to verify that everyone has received this information. Once you respond, we will send you a schedule for the day."

This is the second:

"Thanks for your understanding as we do everything we can to go through with the event, yet keep from losing thousands while we build this new tournament in the OC area."

When I read that, what it tells me is that they probably won't hear back from everyone who registered and if enough people request a refund that they're probably going to cancel the tournament all together as it wouldn't be cost effective for them at this point.... If I were to take a guess, I'd think that an email will go out at the very last minute today or tomorrow that states something like, "Due to the lack of local participation for this tournament we regret that we will have to... However, as we are sorry for those that registered we will allow them to play in our tournament in November for free."

Another thing that strikes me funny is that once they moved the location and adjusted to a 4-round tournament instead of 5. I wonder if they took into account just how long of a day that would be? Assuming that each round is 2.5 hours long that is a 10 hour day not including time set aside for registration, breaks, lunch, awards, and maybe dinner... Add those in and you're really looking at a 13-14 hour day easy. Are they providing lunch (and possibly dinner) to the players?

This thing is really turning into a train wreck fast.

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6000 point Space Wolves army
2500 point 13th Company Space Wolves army
3000 point Imperial Fists army
5000 point Dwarfs army
3500 point Bretonnian army
2000 point Beastmen army 
   
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General






Home Base: Waconia, MN (Minneapolis)

@Wolflord Patrick

I'm actually worried that they will cancel it last minute. And I had thought of how long a day saturday is going to be. We're talking starting at 8 and ending at 8 if we're lucky. I remember when GW used to run 4 games on saturday GT's and it was a marathon that normally ended around 9pm. I'm going to be more than upset if they cancel at the last minute as we're already putting up with a change in venue and a massive change to the event.

So I heard back from Doc after I sent him an email this morning. It looks like they are just going to add the 4th game on to the current schedule after a 30 minute break at the end of game 3. This would mean dice down for the tournament at 9:30pm with prizes to follow.

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Hey Y’all
Couple of things

1) For refunds you need to e-mail Mondo.
2) The event will not be canceled, even if just 2 players show up.
3) Yes, it will be a long day on Saturday, but I’ll do the best I can to make things run smoothly and I hope enjoyable to those who play. I believe we are adding a 30 minute break after round 3 and before round 4.
4) I’ve been told there will be a concession stand available for food.

Hope that helps

Doc

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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General






Home Base: Waconia, MN (Minneapolis)

@Doc

I personally really appreciate the communication from you and the response time. Glad to hear it won't be cancelled no matter what. Thanks for the update.


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FYI, normally I'm only on line during the morning to early afternoon and I check in here from time to time.

I fly out Friday and will not be able to check my e-mails or this site after 11am.

Doc


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Update from Mondo.............

Hi gang,


We've had a question about the scoring for the event with having only four games in place instead of five. What we are going to do is take your paint score, and then reduce it to 80% (multiply the score by .8) of the score, so it stays in proportion with the other scores.


Check in - 8:00am
1st game - 9:00am
Lunch break - 11:30am - 12:30pm
2nd game - 12:30pm - 3:00pm
3rd game - 3:30pm - 6:00pm
4th game - 7:00pm - 9:30pm
Cleanup and Awards - 9:30pm on


The new location for the event is the Knights of Columbus hall located at 1127 N. Anaheim Blvd, Anaheim CA 92801. I've attached a google map attachment to the new location from the old location. Here is the link.


Take care,
Mondo

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