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Polonius wrote: most legalese is meant to intimidate and scare, not to encourage the hiring of counsel.
Meh! Same idea!
Not in the slightest. When you sue a party, you'd like to encourage them to settle. So, i might write a scary letter, and then follow it with an offer to settle. I don't' want you to hire a lawyer, because she might tell you to fight it out, whereas a scared person on their own might just pay me off.
Divorce litigation is a racket set up to keep lawyers in business, I'll give you that.
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kinghammer wrote:
OH foam was being sold with Sabol bags at Gen Con. Big signs and everything! Where you there? I was, I saw them bagged up and I saw the BF area sold out by Sat and poor Neal(war store) stuck with those to sub par products all weekend.
So it was the Warstore selling OH trays inside Sabol cases?
That would make sense as the genesis for this letter. BF gets the idea that Sabol has gone into business with OH when it was just Neal trying to offer a combination of products from two companies that have no business relationship of their own.
All the odd moralizing going on in here, where we all continue to buy GW's products? Odd, to say the least!
Not really, since with regards to foam protection for my miniatures, I have many choices.
When it comes to buying Space Marines from the 40K universe, I can only buy from GW.
So, in that way, despite GW's business practices, I cannot buy Space Marines elsewhere. But in this case, I can certainly choose a SABOL case over a Battlefoam case.
kinghammer wrote:
OH foam was being sold with Sabol bags at Gen Con. Big signs and everything! Where you there? I was, I saw them bagged up and I saw the BF area sold out by Sat and poor Neal(war store) stuck with those to sub par products all weekend.
So it was the Warstore selling OH trays inside Sabol cases?
That would make sense as the genesis for this letter. BF gets the idea that Sabol has gone into business with OH when it was just Neal trying to offer a combination of products from two companies that have no business relationship of their own.
Arsch, you forgot to add, "In my opinion".
Veriamp wrote:I have emerged from my lurking to say one thing. When Mat taught the Necrons to feel, he taught me to love.
All the odd moralizing going on in here, where we all continue to buy GW's products? Odd, to say the least!
Not really, since with regards to foam protection for my miniatures, I have many choices.
When it comes to buying Space Marines from the 40K universe, I can only buy from GW.
Funniest part is that maybe half a dozen, at most, of GW's C&Ds have been in regards to models being made as knock-offs of their IP or just recasts of their stuff.
Most of them crop up in regards to websites hosting content that's copywritten/trademarked(albeit, with most of these sites claiming the content to be public domain due to the stuff being out of print...which isn't the case).
So, in that way, despite GW's business practices, I cannot buy Space Marines elsewhere. But in this case, I can certainly choose a SABOL case over a Battlefoam case.
This Romeo guy from Battlefoam sounds like a real tool. It amuses me greatly.
Why is GW being mentioned every third post in this thread?
AFAIKGW haven't sent letters out to anyone that has anything to do with miniature space men with guns. They protect their specific IP. If BattleFoam was pursuing Sabol because they were using their name or slogans then this would be comparable otherwise what the hell are you all talking about?
whitedragon wrote:
Arsch, you forgot to add, "In my opinion".
Er, what?
I wasn't offering an opinion, I was speculating based on what kinghammer posted. It seems to fit the data points (I hesitate to call them facts) we have at the moment:
a. BF sent letter to Sabol saying "watch out if you sell OH stuff!"
b. Sabol doesn't make or sell anything with/for OH
c. Kinghammer says he say OH foam in Sabol bags for sale at GenCon.
plastictrees wrote:Why is GW being mentioned every third post in this thread?
AFAIKGW haven't sent letters out to anyone that has anything to do with miniature space men with guns. They protect their specific IP. If BattleFoam was pursuing Sabol because they were using their name or slogans then this would be comparable otherwise what the hell are you all talking about?
BattleFoam isn't "pursuing" Sabol at all. It's a (poorly worded) notice letter.
Good point, Alpharius, and hopefully we can avoid the nerd-rage this time... however, things like in the above link (manufacturing a false witness / email) bother me more than GW's practices, because at least with GW I can chalk it up to the legal arm of a giant company. With BF, it looks like a one-man vendetta against another... and frankly that gets my goat.
Especially with the above evidence, it makes me not want to deal with Battlefoam professionally at all...
kinghammer wrote:OH foam was being sold with Sabol bags at Gen Con. Big signs and everything! Where you there? I was, I saw them bagged up and I saw the BF area sold out by Sat and poor Neal(war store) stuck with those to sub par products all weekend.
Its like when Germany and Russian split Poland(secret deals) before WWII and yes I'm comparing Sabol to Stalin and OH to Hitler. lol (someone will try to make that connection so I headed them off at the pass)
I knows nuzzing colonel hogan. I never claimed to be there; I just stated what one of the mentioned parties has on their website, that they have no relationship to the other (OH's website, see my post on the 1st page). Speaking of, from Outrider's website I found this jewel:
"That's right, by way of a small miracle, Outrider Hobbies is going to Gen Con 2010. TheWarStore.com has graciously asked us to send them some promotional fliers and some of our product to show off to the masses. It was a great honor just to be asked.
It has however been a whirlwind flight just to get everything ready to go, and all I sent was a couple of the Force Ops bags, some foam, 500 fliers, and 4 banners. I hate to imagine what it will be like if I go for real next year.
Anyways, if you'd like to check out our stuff, please stop by and see TheWarStore.com, and if you like what you see, check out www.outriderhobbies.com/store. There will be a discount code, but I am hoping to just use it in the new store if we can get it done. "
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plastictrees wrote:Why is GW being mentioned every third post in this thread?
AFAIKGW haven't sent letters out to anyone that has anything to do with miniature space men with guns. They protect their specific IP. If BattleFoam was pursuing Sabol because they were using their name or slogans then this would be comparable otherwise what the hell are you all talking about?
BattleFoam isn't "pursuing" Sabol at all. It's a (poorly worded) notice letter.
Right, that's partly what I'm saying. Read everything after "If BattleFoam was..." as being the imaginary 'lol just like GREEDworkshop amirite guyz!?' scenario people seem to be imagining.
kinghammer wrote:OH foam was being sold with Sabol bags at Gen Con. Big signs and everything! Where you there? I was, I saw them bagged up and I saw the BF area sold out by Sat and poor Neal(war store) stuck with those to sub par products all weekend.
Its like when Germany and Russian split Poland(secret deals) before WWII and yes I'm comparing Sabol to Stalin and OH to Hitler. lol (someone will try to make that connection so I headed them off at the pass)
I knows nuzzing colonel hogan. I never claimed to be there; I just stated what one of the mentioned parties has on their website, that they have no relationship to the other (OH's website, see my post on the 1st page). Speaking of, from Outrider's website I found this jewel:
"That's right, by way of a small miracle, Outrider Hobbies is going to Gen Con 2010. TheWarStore.com has graciously asked us to send them some promotional fliers and some of our product to show off to the masses. It was a great honor just to be asked.
It has however been a whirlwind flight just to get everything ready to go, and all I sent was a couple of the Force Ops bags, some foam, 500 fliers, and 4 banners. I hate to imagine what it will be like if I go for real next year.
Anyways, if you'd like to check out our stuff, please stop by and see TheWarStore.com, and if you like what you see, check out www.outriderhobbies.com/store. There will be a discount code, but I am hoping to just use it in the new store if we can get it done. "
Flachzange wrote:Maybe someone could change the titel of this thread. As it is, all the drama queens will be drawn into this thread like a bear to honey.
"BattleFoam murders Sabol babies in all night foam orgy" is my suggested replacement.
Typical Battlefoam. I like that they support the community through things like 40k Radio and they make great products but they seem like a bunch of asshats especially considering their history and this recent news. Why can't they be like Neal from thewarstore.com....smh
Since you work for Battle Foam, LLC, why don't you tell us if the Warstore got the same C&D.
Oh, and by the way everyone, I got the same letter yesterday as well. And in case you all didn't know, Kinghammer is Kyle Kinghorn. Formerly of Empire Games in Arizona, and current employee of Battle Foam, LLC.
Cane wrote:Typical Battlefoam. I like that they support the community through things like 40k Radio and they make great products but they seem like a bunch of asshats especially considering their history and this recent news. Why can't they be like Neal from thewarstore.com....smh
Typical Gamer.........judging someone or a company without (most likely) having dealt with him or her.
Cane wrote:Typical Battlefoam. I like that they support the community through things like 40k Radio and they make great products but they seem like a bunch of asshats especially considering their history and this recent news. Why can't they be like Neal from thewarstore.com....smh
Typical Gamer.........judging someone or a company without (most likely) having dealt with him or her.
Didn't Romeo call everyone a bunch of 'clowns' last time he and his company got themselves some bad publicity? They seem clueless on that end.
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Since you work for Battle Foam, LLC, why don't you tell us if the Warstore got the same C&D.
Oh, and by the way everyone, I got the same letter yesterday as well. And in case you all didn't know, Kinghammer is Kyle Kinghorn. Formerly of Empire Games in Arizona, and current employee of Battle Foam, LLC.
Lol, I put him on ignore months ago for loudly berating anyone criticising GW pricing.
Since you work for Battle Foam, LLC, why don't you tell us if the Warstore got the same C&D.
Oh, and by the way everyone, I got the same letter yesterday as well. And in case you all didn't know, Kinghammer is Kyle Kinghorn. Formerly of Empire Games in Arizona, and current employee of Battle Foam, LLC.
Lol, I put him on ignore months ago for loudly berating anyone criticising GW pricing.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
Didn't Romeo call everyone a bunch of 'clowns' last time he and his company got themselves some bad publicity? They seem clueless on that end.
