Who actually is the most powerful special character in the game (not army background characters)

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**Flashman**

Everyone's talking about Malekith on a dragon. I don't have the DE book anymore, but I thought you could take him in a chariot for a lower cost? This would mean you could include him in a lower points value game.

Anyway, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Tretch Craventail. Oh wait...

**Kirasu**

Do lizardmen win a prize for having a book full of the *Worst* special characters?

**Eldar Own**

HawaiiMatt wrote:Malekith's dragons breath weapon is only S4 (not S6). The dragons stomp is S6, which he can't use against other monsters.

My choice for all arounder is Galrauch. Seriously, once a game, make a breathe attack that causes models hit to take a toughness test or die without a save of any kind.
So if you don't do 6 wounds before init 6, you'll be taking 2D6 toughness tests, and you'll die if you fail any.
On average, that kills Grimgor, Malekith and his dragon, or just about anyone else brought up here.

Gal, still has his other 2 breath weapons, for the next two rounds of combat...

At 616, he's just cheap enough to squeeze into a 2500 point game, AND he's a level 4 caster, with +5 to cast.

You would want to keep a BSB nearby, so he doesn't thump himself.

-Matt

Wow, that guy's good! Who is he?

Tzeentchling9 wrote:
Eldar Own wrote:Malekith has four attacks. So, that's 4 to hit with re-rolls and then a 4 to destroy kholek's hammer. So, on average, he'll hit three times and then destroy kholek's hammer, one and a half times, though one is all he needs.

You only roll once for the Destroyer, reguardless of how many hits Malekith causes. Then you have to randomise, you don't pick which item is destroyed. 25% to take out the Starcrusher.

Ah, i suppose this is true, but there's still a chance this will happen, and malekith still has his dragon and his magic.

HawaiiMatt wrote:Caradryan on the other hand, is cheap, has 3 S5 D3 wounding attacks that always strike first, and comes with 4+ ward and MR 3. Should you kill him, he does D6 wounds with no armor save. At 175 points, I don't think he can be beat.

Yeah, looking at the fact that Caradyran causes D6 wounds with no awmour save to any character who kills caradyran, then he is up there wilth the top characters. If he gets into a fight with one of the big scary guys we've mentioned he could still possibly cause D3 wounds with his ASF and high WS, and finally he would cause D6 when he dies (which unfortuantely, he probably will). Unless the character has either loads of wounds or a very good ward save he's likely going to die along with caradyran.

**WarWizard91**

Eldar Own wrote:
HawaiiMatt wrote:

Wow, that guy's good! Who is he?

He is a chaos dragon in the Warriors of Chaos book, one of them two headed kind.

**Acardia**

I absolutly love The Changeling, Blue Scribes. Cheap and Effective.

**LordWynne**

Ok its been a while since I played Fantasy WH but I never go wrong with a Britonian General on a Great Dragon or Pegasus with a Great Artifact weapon...1-3 Edition here...But my tuffest Char I was ever up against was a Vampire Count forget his name. He tabled me in 6 turns and his undead were totally awsome....

**ChaosxVoid**

@lordwaynne- Are you thinking of nagash? who i have been told is the strongest character ever? im not sure if its true its been a while since i have played fantasy.

The strongest i thought was grimgor for the longest time i was told that and now kairos is pretty dam strong, i always thought maybe imirik was pretty strong but hes not around anymore, and i dont think he was hero more a lord.

xVoid

**Eldar Own**

WarWizard91 wrote:
Eldar Own wrote:
HawaiiMatt wrote:

Wow, that guy's good! Who is he?

He is a chaos dragon in the Warriors of Chaos book, one of them two headed kind.

Nice. So he's not exactly a guy, he's a dragon.

Did i hear someone say the Changeling? That's cheating because it's not actually him who is the best character, it's his opponent.

**Matt65**

Malekith on black dragon

**ChaosxVoid**

Im thinking shadowblade master of the assassins of the dark elves is the strongest stat line i mean

M WS BS S T W I A LD
6 10 10 4 3 2 10 3 10

**UNREALPwnage**

T3 means any character her will eaisily kill him, The only thing in his favor is ASF and I 10 other than that he is an easy kill if he doesnt kill the other character first.

**Eldar Own**

UNREALPwnage wrote:T3 means any character her will eaisily kill him, The only thing in his favor is ASF and I 10 other than that he is an easy kill if he doesnt kill the other character first.

I agree. Shadowblade is basically an assassin that can kill almost anything, but the there's a lot of things that can easily kill him, that's what lets him down in the 'most powerful character' rankings.

**Inquisitive Inquisitor**

Has to be Vlad von Carstien. The fact he comes back to life on a 2+, for every wound his sword makes he or his unit gain a wound back, a 4+ ward save. Enemys with in 6" are Ld-1, his unit is +1 combat res and he gets re-roll wounds on one model if it fails a Ld test at -3.

Godlike... I think so

**UNREALPwnage**

He is realy good, but he only comes back if there is a unit not in combat for him to be placed in, if we are talking strait up characters Malakieth is the best. Plus he can destroy the von carstien ring. They all you are left with is 3 wounds and heavy armor.

**nickick**

Actually i made a chaos lord with a -2+ armour save, a 5+ ward save, regeneration and favour of the gods for 375 pts

**davij**

Vlad von carstein- last time I checked 4+ ward, regenerate plus a beasty stat line with all the von carstein powers

favourite though is krell (I've killed Karl Franz with him!)

**GazzyG**

It's such a shame that Tyrion's been nerfed.

He deserves to be up there alongside Teclis.

**lizardgod14**

for the good side
Load Kroak
he owns at magic he's even better than teclis

for the bad side
kiros fate weaver
he knows every single spell you can use

**Elector**

Valtan on his Elven Steed from the Storm of Chaos campaigns?

I've heard about some really over-powered abilities of his (such as his pass a leaderhsip test and be resurrected with 1 Wound). Though, mind you I don't know if he is still technically legal or if his rules apply to this discussion.

**Minsc**

Valten didn't get such against either Killing Blow or being killed due to being Run Down, if I recall right.

His issue was more the whole "Four attacks that auto-wound with no-save and cause D3 wounds", which essentially meant "Do you have a Champion or Hero in this combat? Yes? Make your Wards / Regens, or here comes massive Overkill points for Valten". Of course, with new rules, combining him with something like the BSB and a Standard of Discipline could be down-right terrifying Ld 10 re-rollable? Ouchies indeed for putting him down without Killing Blow or Running him Down.

**Cerebrium**

Lizardgod, sadly, in 8th, Kroak is not nearly as good as he used to be.

I'd say either Vlad or Teclis.

**HoverBoy**

He's still the boss, it's his cost that drags ol zombiefrog down.

**Cerebrium**

Shame, because that model is GREAT.

**HoverBoy**

I consider using it as my second slaan when i get my force up to 3000+
It is a nice sculpt, and the skelly skink is too cool to resist.

**sambazorcopter**

Personally I like the Dwarf High King Thorgrim Grudgebearer

But my lack of experience in battle probably intervenes here, haven't for example played vs Grimgor or kairos at all so I don't know what they're capable of... Guess I'll check them out

But what would be the most interesting in my opinion would be a showdown of the previously called characters

I would love to see them battle :p SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST :p

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Ok I've read the rules on Grimgor and they seem quite devastating for the enemy

7WS8 S7 atks with ASF rapes everything in his path, whilst he has a pretty damn good armour... insane

**lizardgod14**

lord croak

he would all your magic wielding asses!

esspecly before he died!!!!

**Jackster**

Given infinite time, Malekith on Dragon can just spam spells until Kolek dies...

**sambazorcopter**

But we are trying to refer to a real match with 6 turns to see who is the most effective. So infinite time is quite out of the question.

**Squash**

I AM.

**UNREALPwnage**

6 Turns, Malakieth has the edge, he can just magic the hell out of you or crush you in close combat.