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BluntmanDC wrote:I'm sorry you feel that Emp's integrity and belief in fair play sickens you

Wow. A bit harsh there. Huh?

Where did I saiy it sickens me? That's quite an insult, considering just how thoroughly I went over my post to ensure that it was written in a respectful tone and avoided inflammatory language. That's something that not everyone online -or even on Dakka- can say for themselves. Maybe you should take notes on that.

@Emp... I've had quite a number of experiences with you online. I absolutely believe that you're a good organizer. Everything i've seen of you indicates as much.
I think our disagreement re: painted models probably stems from our views of the tournament. It looks to me like you prefer Hobby tournaments, where I prefer Game tournaments.
Which, of course, is not to say either is better than the other. It's just to piont out the difference.

That's why I like the Ard Boys tournament. It is a clear-cut GAME tourney. It's about how hard of a list you build, and how well you play it.
I don't think painting scores SHOULD come into play in a tournament. I'm not there to compare best painted models (not during the tourney, anyway). I'm there to play the game, have fun, and test my mettle as a "general." I think the "skill test" of the tourney should be how well you *play the game,* and should not be reflected in *how well you paint.*
For comparing painted models, I'll enter the painting competition.
-Again, that's just MY opinion. I know not everyone agrees.

Sadly, there are NOT a lot of tourneys out there that operate differently than yours. Not that are easy to get to for everyone, at least.
If yours is the only one around, anyone not painting their own stuff is SOL. You know?

Re: The ban:
I know it's a GW staple. For adults, I support it and think that they might need to throw in a public flogging, for good measure. : )
With kids, though... Eh. Maybe I'm just getting old and soft hearted.
I mean, it's not like he killed someone. He cheated. People are forgiven for cheating at worse things. Especially kids.

To reiterate, though... I'm not actively opposing GW's p.o.v. on it. I'm just lamenting the fact that it's that way.

Eric

@Magik: this all kinda flows in together actually. This in all stretches is a hobby, and for some of us a profession as well. As such we need to hold true to the rules of the game, and play fair. People work hard to earn those tropheys and for somone to buy it and play it off as their own is just wrong. If a 12 year old kills somone they still must be punished for murder, and will be tried as such. They will be in jail much longer then till they are 18. As such we know the difference between right and wrong and this kid was wrong and as such was not just an afront to himself but to those thousands of others who have legitimately competed. As per the tourney sense, if their is a style you like then go with it. If their is not a tourney near you that does what you like then make your own. At this point in the game their is no real excuse for people to say they can't have their cake and eat it too. I have traveled across international borders for events. I am by no means rich believe me but I saved for those one or two times a year and went.

I'm curious Emp, if someone brought an army list that they found online, would you ban them? They didn't do the work of coming up with an army themselves, someone else did all the work for them.

It's not exactly the same, since having a list dosen't magically give you the right skills to use it right

Aduro wrote:I'm curious Emp, if someone brought an army list that they found online, would you ban them? They didn't do the work of coming up with an army themselves, someone else did all the work for them.

HoverBoy wrote:It's not exactly the same, since having a list dosen't magically give you the right skills to use it right

I agree with Hover.Their are so many duplicate lists out their as once combo that works tends to get used a lot so who cares on those.

I agree - I'd imagine we'll be seeing many more carbon copy leaf-blower lists popping up in the 2500 'Ard Boyz circuits