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Oh yeah, I love the smell of righteous hatred in the morning. Almost as good as napalm...

Believe it or not this has happened several times in the U.S in recent years. It's sad but usually what they do is bump up peoples awards, and they generally know who would have been third so on average that person is contacted and given the award at a later date. As stated it really sucks that people go so far to do this, but I guess of consequence... the youngbloods generally have a smaller trophey.

Now i know how to get a golden demon! lol jk really that's lame
I hope my kid doesn't take too much after me or he'll never win lol!
Lord knows he / she will inevitably be drawn towards warhammer since it's all over the place in my house
Someone put up a poster of this kid outside your GW
"Wanted For Heresy"

im thinking that this is a richkid and the parents think it is acceptable to buy a win as long as you can take the credit-people like this govern the country and hold all the top jobs - "why should they have to work hard when they can ride on the backs of others??"

This sort of thing isnt uncommon. People buy whole armies pre-painted these days and enter in whatever they can.

Then you have other issues like GD judges choosing their friends as winners. The issue list with these comps go's on and on.

Haha I am selling the models I won with, and a person asked me today if the trophey comes with it. I politely responded no, and was told that it would hurt the resale value of them. It amazes me how much people will try and do to get a demon. Just do what I did, take a ton of classes from demon winner, spend years practicing, and several thousand dollars traveling to multiple games days. That way when you actually win one it feel super sweet.

His Master's Voice wrote:Oh yeah, I love the smell of righteous hatred in the morning. Almost as good as napalm...

Isn't that what the internet is for? Getting pissed off?




Damn tho, this thread makes me sorta hugry for a painting contest...maybe the hobby shop one

narceron wrote:very sad, is a golden demon trophy really worth it? I mean, really, people will say, neat trophy, whats it from?

Oh that, I made my kid enter an ebay miniature into a national competition so I could cheat a bunch of kids out of it.

LOL

The sad thing is some people might think it's funny to feth with the nerds like that and give them props for it anyway.

So I imagine people will be lol'ing over it either way.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?pageMode=multi&categoryId=&pIndex=2&aId=13000009a&start=3

See why don't they, rather than just removing the gold entry, they move the second and third placed entries up. And then exchange the proper trophies with them?

I believe the owner of the third place entry is registered on dakkadakka (peatread). If I were him I would be on to that and getting the prize I deserved.

Not to mention someone with a finalist badge deserves the bronze. But to be fair that one might be a bit too late to put right.

i am not happy about that as i entered that catergory !!

This happened to a friend here last year. I wonder how many of the entries are actually painted by the people who enter them...

http://senjistudios.com/?p=1730

yep he's down from the gw website just a blank spot for gold

The real question is- how did this young person have enough money to buy a gold Golden-Daemon worthy paint job?

Either he put a lot of savings into it, or his parents bought it for him... makes me also wonder if they are involved or not.

Edit:

OoieGoie wrote:This sort of thing isnt uncommon. People buy whole armies pre-painted these days and enter in whatever they can.

Unfortunately, there's quite a stigma about this... even though I always tell my opponent, the TO, everybody that I didn't paint my army, I get a lot of negative comments about it at tournaments...

Which is why I'm selling it in turn and painting my own army, which I just finished assembling and priming, now that I have more time and space to hobby...

Bring forth the rock of shame!!!!!!

This is why I am also against using painting scores at tournaments as part of the overall winner...especially certain events that add 30-50% for painting/conversion. Too many times you see someone go 3-2 and win Best overall with an army you saw on ebay (or someones painting website) just a few months prior.
Mandate a 3 color and based table-top ready on all models to enter the tourny, but then hold a seperate sideshow with separate trophies/prizes based soley on modeling and painting.

As long as the community shames those who do pull this crap then people will surely shy away from doing this. After all these prizes are really only revered within the war gaming community.

Getting rid of best in show awards etc. Is only letting these muppets win.

RiTides wrote:The real question is- how did this young person have enough money to buy a gold Golden-Daemon worthy paint job?

Either he put a lot of savings into it, or his parents bought it for him... makes me also wonder if they are involved or not.

You're not suggesting a conspiracy to win a Games Workshop award, right?

I can't really see the parents caring enough about a Golden Daemon to help their son cheat. I just can't see it. If there were a cash prize or something, I could see it happening then.

jprp wrote:im thinking that this is a richkid and the parents think it is acceptable to buy a win as long as you can take the credit-people like this govern the country and hold all the top jobs - "why should they have to work hard when they can ride on the backs of others??"

Well, unless you're the kid in question, I don't think it's appropriate for you to cast aspersions on his parents.
I mean, it's one thing to "wonder" if his parents had something to do with it. To outright SAY they did, though?
Bad form.


Eric

I get a lot of negative comments about it at tournaments...

Why? It's obvious you aren't trying to dupe people and win awards for it so why would they have any reason to keep talking crap?

Sidstyler wrote:Why? It's obvious you aren't trying to dupe people and win awards for it so why would they have any reason to keep talking crap?

Because there is a bit of elitist attitude out there regarding player pained/converted armies. I have commissioned paint jobs before on miniatures I knew I wouldn't have time to paint. I have had multiple players say "Nice model.", I always let them know it's not my work, then they say "Oh.." and look down their nones at me and walk away spouting of about how they ALWAYS paint their own stuff.

That's kind of lulzy. I wonder how he kept in such good condition for all those years? Anyway, I'm surprised that model even won gold. It's not that good...

For a youngblood, it's freaking fantastic.
I mean, it's no Shrike that might be found at a FLGS or something like that... but it's nice. : )


Eric

MunkeyKungFu wrote:

Old enough to cheat, old enough to be beaten!

How about "Old enough for cheatin' old enough for beatin!" That is the kind of thing a mob can chant. Preferably with torches and pitchforks.

MagickalMemories wrote:For a youngblood, it's freaking fantastic.
I mean, it's no Shrike that might be found at a FLGS or something like that... but it's nice. : )


Eric

We all saw what you did there.

Didn't this happen a couple years back with a Lucius the Eternal model? All the kid did was re-base an ebay model.

cuda1179 wrote:Didn't this happen a couple years back with a Lucius the Eternal model? All the kid did was re-base an ebay model.

Nope I know which one your talking about. Though the kid who painted it was a twit, he used to play at the natick mall here in Mass. As per the painted armies at tournies, For the ones I run if you own up to your army being painted by somone else I still give a minimum of 6 out of 20 points. I do this as on my checklist the army is painted,and with a 3 coat standard and basing. So that and we do two judges makes 6 points. If I find out that a winner lied our cheated well then I just ban them from any future events, and I contact my friends who run events and say "hey watch out for this person". I have yet to have that happen though on the east coast as I find most people are pretty honest about that, and they tend to own up more to their own work out of pride. Now I own pieces from other demon winners as buy them(at a friend discount) and study them. I also just do it as hey cool model and want it in the cabinet for a display. Would I ever enter them in a comp "HELL NO" I have proven I am good enough on my own. I harbor no ill will against people who buy armies as hey we have to work, or do family stuff and people can't always take the time out away from their duties to paint. I respect them more then the people who sit at their grandparents house and not look for a job, and paint all day.

P.S Open for commissions_ I couln't resit the plug I'm sorry.

@Destrado
Liked that, did ya? : )


@Emp & everyone else
I don't want to make this a "gaming elitism" thread, but I do have to say -with all due respect- that your post kind of bothered me, Emp.

I mean, first, we have people who judge us harshly if we're the kind of person who just wants to play the game and/or doesn't have (or want to make) the time to paint AND play. Now, if we buy painted miniatures and don't tell you about it, we get banned from tournaments?
That doesn't really strike me as fair.

I mean, okay. If you only want to give "best painted" to someone who painted the army himself, then I get it. I have very few qualms with that. But, to give him minimum points in scoring, as if he only gave them 3 colors? That strikes me as a slap in the face.
Keep in mind, I'm presuming that, like most/many tourneys, you count painting score towards who the overall winner is.

IMO, don't judge the guy harshly for having painted minis. Judge the minis based solely on how nice they look, but eliminate him from the "Best Painted" running. This way, he gets full points towards his score, but doesn't take the award away from someone who bought well painted models and wants to win the tourney.
Otherwise, you're just telling the guy, "If you don't put the same values as I do on all of the aspects of gaming, then you might as well stay home, if you're concerned about winning!"
That's how it strikes me, anyway.

I've been thinking about the kid in question.
He's young. He's stupid.
Young and stupid are practically synonymous, though. They go together like peanut butter & jelly, Fred & Ginger, Duct Tape & Nipple Clamps.
(TMI? LOL)
I don't think he should be banned for life. I think he should be banned for youth.
I think he should no longer be allowed to enter any GW sponsored competition OR EVENT until after he's turned 18. After that, give the kid another shot.

We all make stupid mistakes when we're young.
Some of us steal models.
Some of us steal cars.
Crap. I almost caved in a guy's face with a baseball bat once!

We learn. We change.
Who we become as adults is influenced by our youth.
It's not a good lesson to learn at his age that the world is a vindictive bitch who will never give you a second chance.

Just my opinion, FWIW.

Eric

@Magik: believe it or not I am one of the nicest organizers as most of them give you a flat zero. A person with twoor three painted models would get a higher score then a person who bought their army in most tournies. The problem is in a lot of tournies paint scores DO count towards the final, so how is it really fair to give somone a great paint score when they didn't do the work themselves. Believe it or not I caught flak for even giving any score at all. So my method is extremely generous, and if you or anyone else doesn't like that well.. their are plenty of tournies out there to fit your needs, and you don't have to come to mine.

As per the child, the Ban for life is a staple in GW policy, and young and stupid may go together but the kid was old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. The rules need to be maintained otherwise that kind of behavoir would become rampant. I say good, he's banned for life from the Golden Demon and other GW run events. Maybe he learned a valuble lesson as he took away from others who were honest and put their hard work into their models.

MagickalMemories wrote:
I mean, first, we have people who judge us harshly if we're the kind of person who just wants to play the game and/or doesn't have (or want to make) the time to paint AND play. Now, if we buy painted miniatures and don't tell you about it, we get banned from tournaments?
That doesn't really strike me as fair.

I mean, okay. If you only want to give "best painted" to someone who painted the army himself, then I get it. I have very few qualms with that. But, to give him minimum points in scoring, as if he only gave them 3 colors? That strikes me as a slap in the face.
Keep in mind, I'm presuming that, like most/many tourneys, you count painting score towards who the overall winner is.

If a tournaments scoring system includes the painting and modelling skill of your army, why is it unfair not to allow points to someone who didn't paint it, all they did was stump up the cash. A tournament is a test of skill, if you have no skill why do you deserve points?

Emp's right if you didn't do you don't desevre the credit and taking credit for someone elses work is cheating. if someone won by 2 points cos of the painting standard of the army but had nothing to do with it, wouldn;t you think everyone else in the tournament would be off and have no belief in the integrity of the organiser and not come back again.

I'm sorry you feel that Emp's integrity and belief in fair play sickens you

As a winner myself this year I don't see the point, it must feel so shallow to win with something you haven't done. And although plaigarism is rarely pursuded in court, it is illegal and is classed as theft as far as I'm aware (I work at a university).

Poor Effort