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Sir Motor wrote:Now I'm at home.
my family,my house(my miniature) is fine.
and now I contacted my friend she is ok.
Nuke plant is damaged it seems....well it isn't not much far from Tokyo. i hope not becoming Chernobyl.
anyway I'm ok now. Thx for kind reply.
And for dakkies in japan. stay safe.
Good luck man, I have a feeling your going to need it for a bit. I hope everyone over there makes it out ok.
Did you guys hear what some news station said (I didn't hear this personally, my parents did); Some big economy specialist said that this earthquake is a good thing, because it will lower our oil prices for a while (That's what I heard, could be wrong though).
Nevermind that a densely populated country is now drenched in seawater, but hey, at least our oil prices go down
I'll ask who it was/what station it was tomorrow morning, my parents went to bed already.
I've never feared Death or Dying. I've only feared never Trying.
My prayers and hopes go out to the people of Japan, and all our dakkaites , please stay safe, and if there is anyway we can help post it here, I have already sent a email to our base commander and volunteered for any relief detail that our base may send.
If anyone wants to move to Minneapolis, one of the most geologically stable places on Earth, thousands of miles from the the sea.... I will help you move in. Seriously, just provide Pizza and Beer, and I gotchya. But aside from that, best wishes.
Fafnir wrote:Aren't they designed to move like that though? I mean, doesn't that stop them from actually falling?
Yes, that is a video of the skyscrapers doing exactly what they're supposed to do in order to not fall down.
Now, we just have to see if that one reactor puts me out of a job or not...
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Fafnir wrote:Aren't they designed to move like that though? I mean, doesn't that stop them from actually falling?
Yes, that's right.
I would still hate to be on the 40th floor, though.
I dunno. I mean, it'd be terrifying as all hell, and worrying about what's happening to your loved ones would kind of suck, but it would feel pretty cool up there.
I've been following this story all day, and as soon as I woke up. I found the reporting on the nuclear site to be fascinating. Here has been the chain of it, as I have followed:
The plant lost power, but the cooling is fine
The cooling's not find, but the USAF is ferrying coolant so no problem.
The coolant isn't working, and we might have to vent, but no radioactivity will be released in the venting.
We had to vent, but a tiny piece of radioactivity was released in the venting. It's under control.
We had to vent, and some radioactivity was released in the venting. It's under control.
The venting prevented a meltdown. It won't have a meltdown.
And, as of 5 minutes ago on MSNBC: explosions heard at the plant. But it won't be another Chernobyl, any meltdown won't cause a problem outside of a 6 mile radius.
The accuracy of the first six things that were announced have drastically reduced my faith in the accuracy of the seventh. I hope it can be contained. What a tragedy.
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Fafnir wrote:Aren't they designed to move like that though? I mean, doesn't that stop them from actually falling?
Yes, that's right.
I would still hate to be on the 40th floor, though.
I dunno. I mean, it'd be terrifying as all hell, and worrying about what's happening to your loved ones would kind of suck, but it would feel pretty cool up there.
I'm not so sure - there was a dude on the news saying that he was seasick from his building swaying all day... I wouldn't fancy that at all.
Fafnir wrote:All day? Holy feth, that would be terrible.
There have been 30+ aftershocks over 5 magnitude. So yes.
re: The reactor. I'm pretty sure that a Chernobyl style meltdown is an impossibility. I'm not nuclear scientist (and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night.) but I have faith that they've got this (mostly) under control.
That said. This event was somewhere around the 7th strongest Earthquake in recorded history. "Built for it" or not, this is the "Nightmare Scenario".
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Fafnir wrote:Aren't they designed to move like that though? I mean, doesn't that stop them from actually falling?
Yes, that's right.
I would still hate to be on the 40th floor, though.
The larger part of my degree was in vibration engineering, so even though I was focused on aeroplanes, I did lots of reading of Japanese research papers on vibration as they are world leaders in the field. It is unbelievable how much research has gone into making skyscrapers earthquake proof, and some of it is completely counterintuitive. For example, putting huge weights in the TOP of buildings in order to raise their centre of mass and make them sway like that, instead of shaking.
Best of all is when this incorporates a damping load, that can move independently of the building to absorb energy from the vibrations and dissipate it as heat. Very clever, but it stops the buildings swaying like that, so it doesn't look as cool from the outside. Still, given the choice, if I was in one of those buildings, I could cope without the swaying.
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what really disturbed me on this vid is the clouds of dirt and dust in the air while the skyscaper moves...this cant be good... i expect major repairs to follow throughout even the supposedly undamaged buildings in the area...this will be a truly gigantic effort for japan...
we will see if this will scar japan even more...
Fafnir wrote:All day? Holy feth, that would be terrible.
There have been 30+ aftershocks over 5 magnitude. So yes.
re: The reactor. I'm pretty sure that a Chernobyl style meltdown is an impossibility. I'm not nuclear scientist (and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night.) but I have faith that they've got this (mostly) under control.
That said. This event was somewhere around the 7th strongest Earthquake in recorded history. "Built for it" or not, this is the "Nightmare Scenario".
Funnily enough, I've been teaching my A-Level students about nuclear reactor safety over the past few days. I was going to move onto something else on Monday, but now I thnk I'll be doing a lesson on this reactor in Japan.
The safety features they have there mean that a disaster such as the one that occurred at Chernobyl should be impossible, but I am worried about some of what I have read in the newspapers with regards to multiple-system failures. Even if the worst-case scenario happens in this case though, it should be nowhere near the scale of Chernobyl. Essentially, the reactors used in Japan won't keep working without constant intervention - they essentially shut themselves down if you leave them alone. There may be some leakage and contamination, but there theoretically cannot be an explosion, even if there is a meltdown.
Heh, as I type that there should be no explosion, I flip to BBC News for a second and see that one has actually happened. I expect that is an explosion in secondary systems, not in a primary system such as the reactor core itself. Here's hoping. *bites nails*
A country the size of Japan really can't cope with anything on the scale of what happened to Prypiat, where an entire city was abandoned...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Very worryingly, Japanese news is reporting that although, as I expected, this was a secondary system explosion, not the core itself, it has taken off the exterior shell of the containment building. Hopefully, the actual structural parts of the buidling that do the containment are still intact. :(
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One of the guys on the bbc this morning was saying that it could be water touching the fuel rods , which are stupidly hot , the heat causes the water to split into it component elements,it then recombines with a very loud and scary seeming explosion but actually doesn't do a whole lot on the fire and heat side of things.
Not saying that this is what this is but it could be.
But regardless do hope that is a secondary failure or the water as i said above because something on that scale would massively damage japan on every level.
Anyway good luck to everyone in japan!
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Nuclear reactors can't explode like a nuclear bomb, however an explosion caused by something like the water/fuel rod scenario can damage the containment, allowing nuclear material to be exposed and thrown out like shrapnel.
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Yea, I woke up to a phone call about what happened yesterday. That really sucks for Japan, Im just glad Im not the guy that has to figure out where/how to go from here. Im definitely praying for everyone over there.
"Government officials said that the explosion, caused by a build-up of pressure in the reactor after the cooling system failed, destroyed the concrete structure surrounding the reactor but did not collapse the critical steel container inside. They said that raised the chances that they could prevent the release of large amounts of radioactive material and could avoid a core meltdown at the plant. "
As much as my heart goes out to japan and dakkanauts living there I really am in awe of the destruction caused by the quake and tsunami.
As for the reactor, I'm pretty sure it's going to blow at some point and I hope the government realise this and get as many people out of the surrounding area as possible instead of trying to stop it.
