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Sorry about that SilverMK2, managed to mess up the quoting several time. I'll fix it to give you your due.

Don't worry about it

Your choice is your choice. It's like buying an old CRT monitor and then being mad that you have to have an adaptor to play modern digital television... well, you made the choice to go with the cheaper, easier thing, and so that's exactly what you got.

Melissia wrote:Your choice is your choice. It's like buying an old CRT monitor and then being mad that you have to have an adaptor to play modern digital television... well, you made the choice to go with the cheaper, easier thing, and so that's exactly what you got.

It is also like developers saying "CRT screens are really popular and many people use them but they don't show a high enough resolution so our special effects don't look as good - why don't people just throw them away and buy the new 'SUPER SHINY SCREEN (tm)' so that our game can have 800 explosion fragments for each and every explosion in the hopes that no one notices how crap the actual game is."

ShumaGorath wrote:This thread has gotten stupidly hyperbolic.

perhaps so, but "yelling" at the other posters really isn't going to improve matters is it.

If people stop, collaborate and listen err... and take a breath before posting, and perhaps try to demonstrate some of the tact and grace shown by Mesrrs SilverMK2 and htj, then things will be much. much nicer for everyone.

And you'll be able to keep posting here too ! Amazing.

Melissia wrote:Your choice is your choice. It's like buying an old CRT monitor and then being mad that you have to have an adaptor to play modern digital television... well, you made the choice to go with the cheaper, easier thing, and so that's exactly what you got.

That's stretching it a bit. See what I mean though? PC elitist trying to make me look stupid. Sorry I barely have enough cash to buy a $500.00 console every 5-7 years let alone a $1500 PC every 2-3 years.

I'm not making you look stupid. Only saying "it's your choice". If you want to buy the cheaper, easier to get thing, then that's your choice. But you should know you get what you pay for. Doesn't mean you're stupid, in fact it assumes you're intelligent enough to know the difference between the two and that you're fine with it.

If you want to read insults into my posts, then just ignore me, because I would rather not have to talk to people who intentionally misread what I say.

Melissia wrote:I'm not making you look stupid. Only saying "it's your choice". If you want to buy the cheaper, easier to get thing, then that's your choice. But you should know you get what you pay for. Doesn't mean you're stupid, in fact it assumes you're intelligent enough to know the difference between the two and that you're fine with it.

If you want to read insults into my posts, then just ignore me, because I would rather not have to talk to people who intentionally misread what I say.

Well you know how to internet is. Sometimes it is easy to look too deeply into people's posts. I am probably more or less basing my judgement of you comments because of similar threads in the past. Sorry if I looked too much into your post. Now I do feel stupid...

Meh, I probably could have worded it better, but I really meant nothing by it.

Melissia wrote:Meh, I probably could have worded it better, but I really meant nothing by it.

Interwebz...they make things so difficult.

Well I have always said you get what you pay for which is what you were saying. Believe me if I had the cash I would probably have the best PC for gaming possible. For some reason I was reading "If you want to buy junk then do it".

I just feel like the stuff in the OP made me look foolish for investing in consoles. It looked as if they said they could make better games if people invested into PCs. It is probably the truth, but PC gaming isn't for everyone.

It's developing into it though. I can almost guarantee that the next generation consoles-- and you know they'll be here within the next two years-- will cost more than an equivalent PC. Except maybe the Nintendo one.

Consoles are getting more expensive as PC parts are getting less expensive.

Melissia wrote:It's developing into it though. I can almost guarantee that the next generation consoles-- and you know they'll be here within the next two years-- will cost more than an equivalent PC. Except maybe the Nintendo one.

Consoles are getting more expensive as PC parts are getting less expensive.

Well that makes sense. So basically consoles are becoming the new arcades? As in a dying breed?

Melissia wrote:It's developing into it though. I can almost guarantee that the next generation consoles-- and you know they'll be here within the next two years-- will cost more than an equivalent PC. Except maybe the Nintendo one.
Consoles are getting more expensive as PC parts are getting less expensive.

The difference is that consoles, while becoming 'more expensive' are also becoming 'more advanced'.

Most consoles now aren't simply gaming platforms. They're media platforms that use a controller instead of a mouse & keyboard.

Kanluwen wrote:
The difference is that consoles, while becoming 'more expensive' are also becoming 'more advanced'.

Most consoles now aren't simply gaming platforms. They're media platforms that use a controller instead of a mouse & keyboard.

It's like they're some kind of mini computer

LordofHats wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
The difference is that consoles, while becoming 'more expensive' are also becoming 'more advanced'.

Most consoles now aren't simply gaming platforms. They're media platforms that use a controller instead of a mouse & keyboard.

It's like they're some kind of mini computer

Crazy, right?

Except more expensive with fewer features!

I can have a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard on the PC too. I actually used it for some indy games (as well as some ROMs) I just don't WANT to...

Melissia wrote:Except more expensive with fewer features!

So you can build a pretty high end gaming/media rig for $299?

The PS3, brand new, cost 600 bucks, and the 360 cost 480. As for the 300... I could buy a used computer on ebay that is better than a PS3 for that amount, yes (300 being the price of a USED PS3 at gamestop, further proving that they want to rip you off if you sell something to them).

A brand new computer? I'd have to do research on that. But you can guarantee that the next generation fo consoles won't cost a mere three hundred when they're first released except for maybe the nintendo one.

Melissia wrote:The PS3, brand new, cost 600 bucks, and the 360 cost 480. As for the 300... I could buy a used computer on ebay that is better than a PS3 for that amount, yes (300 being the price of a USED PS3 at gamestop, further proving that they want to rip you off if you sell something to them).

$300 right now is what a 360 costs, brand new, with a 250gb hard drive and a single controller.
It's $500 if you get the 250gb hard drive Kinect package.

Microsoft seems pretty happy with their price point. It kind of solidifies that they're going after the "family" market share now, which the Kinect allows them to do better than the PS3 'Move' does for Sony.

A brand new computer? I'd have to do research on that. But you can guarantee that the next generation of consoles won't cost a mere three hundred when they're first released except for maybe the nintendo one.

Of course not, but how much does a top of the line gaming PC cost when everything's brand new?

That depends on what you refer to as top of the line. You can always add more to the point of ridiculousness.

I have to correct my numbers, I just rechecked:
It's $399 for the 250gb hard drive and Kinect 'bundle'.


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Melissia wrote:That depends on what you refer to as top of the line. You can always add more to the point of ridiculousness.

Can run the next 4 years worth of games, on 'High' settings.

I'm giving you the 'gaming' PC title because as you said, more can be added to the point of ridiculousness--but many of those rigs seem to suffer when doing anything outside of gaming.

Melissia wrote:A brand new computer? I'd have to do research on that. But you can guarantee that the next generation fo consoles won't cost a mere three hundred when they're first released except for maybe the nintendo one.

Yep. Exactly why the console warriors have called a cease fire on the developement of the eight gen We might not hear about it for another three or four years. Microsoft and Sony really want to get their money back

Hm. I don't honestly know? That depends on how far PC games advance. If, as I predict, they won't really get much more demanding in the next few years than Crysis 1 or SupCom were, you could probably get a computer that can handle these games on high for... six hundred or so? Heck integrated graphics cards are becoming better and better, they can handle many low and mid ranged games these days, and those are rather cheap cards. The absolute top of the line bleeding edge cards are ridiculous in price, but they only offer a marginal advantage over the mid-top line of cards.

Of course, if the graphics advance, the consoles won't be able to handle the next level either, so arguably consoles can't handle the high level graphics at the moment making this a misleading question *shrug*

Melissia wrote:Hm. I don't honestly know? That depends on how far PC games advance. If, as I predict, they won't really get much more demanding in the next few years than Crysis 1 or SupCom were, you could probably get a computer that can handle these games on high for... six hundred or so? Heck integrated graphics cards are becoming better and better, they can handle many low and mid ranged games these days, and those are rather cheap cards. The absolute top of the line bleeding edge cards are ridiculous in price, but they only offer a marginal advantage over the mid-top line of cards.

Of course, if the graphics advance, the consoles won't be able to handle the next level either, so arguably consoles can't handle the high level graphics at the moment making this a misleading question *shrug*

That was kind of the point, Melissia.

However, you cannot dispute that consoles are becoming the more "accessible" (in the eyes of the public at least) way for people to get involved in 'hardcore' gaming.

It's what Sony and Microsoft are kinda counting on

Kanluwen wrote:

Melissia wrote:It's developing into it though. I can almost guarantee that the next generation consoles-- and you know they'll be here within the next two years-- will cost more than an equivalent PC. Except maybe the Nintendo one.
Consoles are getting more expensive as PC parts are getting less expensive.

The difference is that consoles, while becoming 'more expensive' are also becoming 'more advanced'.

Most consoles now aren't simply gaming platforms. They're media platforms that use a controller instead of a mouse & keyboard.

Didn't the neo geo retail for like seven hundred dollars? Consoles really aren't getting much more expensive when you consider RBP of currency now compared to the nineties. It's averaging up more, but it's not as severe as it seems.


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SilverMK2 wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:He's right though, barely any of us (myself included) are on topic.

Then perhaps he could benefit us all by sharing his immense wisdom on the subjects at hand. Indeed, he did not reply to my last post regards optimising software to suit the hardware you are using and that being only a benefit when you then improve the hardware.

In fact I remember some time ago reading an article about how game development could not keep pace with technology, with sometimes several years going past before games were fully able to take advantage of all the new processing technology, all the extra RAM, etc. Indeed, I would suggest that most people are still chasing the graphics dragon rather than concentrating on actually making a good game.

I'll get to you on that probably tomorrow. It's been a busy few days. I haven't been posting much on any board at all.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Melissia wrote:It's developing into it though. I can almost guarantee that the next generation consoles-- and you know they'll be here within the next two years-- will cost more than an equivalent PC. Except maybe the Nintendo one.
Consoles are getting more expensive as PC parts are getting less expensive.

The difference is that consoles, while becoming 'more expensive' are also becoming 'more advanced'.

Most consoles now aren't simply gaming platforms. They're media platforms that use a controller instead of a mouse & keyboard.

Didn't the neo geo retail for like seven hundred dollars? Consoles really aren't getting much more expensive when you consider RBP of currency now compared to the nineties. It's averaging up more, but it's not as severe as it seems.

We've talked about this.

Stop using logic when we're saying the sky is falling!

Introductory price of the Neo-Geo was $649.99 apparently. They planned on debuting it at $500, but missed that mark by...a lot.

When I used to be into PC gaming I would update my motherboard/CPU, RAM and graphics card every year and sell the old set. Used to cost me about £100 a year or so (after figuring in the sale of the old stuff - and probably somewhere like £150 for a new graphics card, £150 for motherboard, CPU and RAM). My PC has not been updated for probably...4-5 years now?

I would think that it can still run most modern games pretty well.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Didn't the neo geo retail for like seven hundred dollars? Consoles really aren't getting much more expensive when you consider RBP of currency now compared to the nineties. It's averaging up more, but it's not as severe as it seems.

Yeah but when the Neo Geo was out, a good gaming PC was over $3000.00 if not more. I paid $2200.00 for a PC in 1999 that had like a 8 GB hard drive.

Whcih goes to show how much prices have dropped for PCs.

Melissia wrote:Whcih goes to show how much prices have dropped for PCs.

My first PC was 700 dollars. This laptop was 2200. These things are all relative, a good gaming rig is still 3 grand. You have consoles to thank for the fact that high end graphics on PC games are as "affordable" as they are currently. Isn't that a conundrum?