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tarnish wrote:the emperor did not build the throne. he improved it after he found it burried somewhere on terra. 20 times? read it again if you didnt get that right

the eldar psyker has control that no human could ever even grasp. they dont need great power to accomplish things, and they would not need the rusty chair to do big E´s job for him.
hold a candle? to them? are you human-supremist?

this concludes my response to the ludicrous arguement by the way, i will read your last reply but thats it.

Never heard of that before.....

ahem...

quote: a thousand sons, by Graham Mcneill: page 447, 3 sentence down:
"The Golden Throne was the key. Unearthed from forgotten ruins sunken beneath the driest desert, it was the lodestone that would have unlocked the secrets of the alien lattrice. Now it was in ruins, its impossibly complex dimensional inhibitors and warp buffers fused beyond salvage." /quote.

Please re-read the forum rules before posting again. - Lorek

tarnish wrote:ahem...

quote: a thousand sons, by Graham Mcneill: page 447, 3 sentence down:
"The Golden Throne was the key. Unearthed from forgotten ruins sunken beneath the driest desert, it was the lodestone that would have unlocked the secrets of the alien lattrice. Now it was in ruins, its impossibly complex dimensional inhibitors and warp buffers fused beyond salvage." /quote.

now im no expert in 40k fluff, but from my standpoint that looks a lot like you need to bend over and suck that one....

oh, and screw you hazzer.

Refrain from insulting people please, it does nothing but lower people opinions of you.

He DID build the Golden Throne. He did not find it buried beneath the sands, he found something similar to what Magnus discovered on the planet he was on at the start of the book. He used information gleaned from this to build the Golden Throne as a means to protect the human section of the Webway.
Clearly you aren't an expert, no where near one. No ones bending over to you, especially not to one who says 'screw you' to random strangers on an internet forum, especially not to someone who insults another person when said person had said NOTHING to insult you whatsoever. So much for not posting again by the way.

Hawkward wrote:That idea that the Astronomicon is essential for Warp travel always puzzled me.

Think about it: for twenty thousand years before the Emperor revealed himself, humanity was discovering distant stars, colonizing them, and using Warp travel all the while. Meanwhile, the Tau manage to use the Warp just fine without an Astronomicon. The loss of it would be devastating, but not completely catastrophic. Humanity would adapt, and though Warp travel would be slower it would be possible. Heck, it would probably be safer, too, since the ships would only be skipping through the surface of the Warp.

The Emperor's real use is to bind the Imperium together.

Humans did NOT use Warp Travel for along time.

Warp Travel only became possable after the emergence of Psykers.


prior to this, humanity used multi-generational colony ships which traveled at or near the speed of light, but still took hundreds or years to reach their destinations.

this was how mankind spread accross the stars.

it was towards the end of the Dark Age of Technology the Warp Drive was developed and the Navigator gene emerged. this gave rise to the much faster syustem they use today.

and, during the early years of the Great Crusade, the Warp was relativly calm as the Chaos Gods were still reeling from the birth of Slannesh and attention was diverted away from the physical universe.

I'm sorry to say this but Hawkward and Grey Templar. Both of your are wrong. Here is what you have to read to understand why I say your both wrong- http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Age_of_Technology and http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Age_of_Strife.

As for why the Imperium doesn't use a drive similar to the Tau its because of the size difference between the Imperium and the Tau empires. Here is a link showing the size of the Imperium in comparison to the Tau- http://www.joachim-adomeit.de/wh40k/spacemap/map.html

Feeling inadequate Tau players!

As for why the Astronomican is needed its because while the Fall of the Eldar empire blew away the warp storms the warp was immeasurably screwed up by the Eldars hedonism and the birth of Slaanesh.

your evidence doesn't exactly conflict with what i said.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warp_Drive

Warhammer40kwiki isn't always reliable for information.

Lexicanum does a better job of sourcing their information and keeping it up to date.



It isn't known exactly when the Warp Drive was developed, but it was during the Dark Age sometime.

call it what you will improxtaco, at this point your downright ignorant and hostile. ill say what i like when i like and thats not for you to regulate. you have it in writing and its clear as day. if thats not enough for you then your lost up your own backside, im sorry.

tarnish wrote:call it what you will improxtaco, at this point your downright ignorant and hostile. ill say what i like when i like and thats not for you to regulate. you have it in writing and its clear as day. if thats not enough for you then your lost up your own backside, im sorry.

I'M ignorant and hostile? Right, coming from the one who just had half a post censored due to a breach of rule one. I may not be able to tell you what to do, I don't pretend I can. The MODS of dakka can however and they have acted. I'll say again, refrain from insulting people, it does nout but lower peoples opinions of you, and mine has lowered after you seem not to be bothered about apologising to HAZZER.

You've given us a short sentence from a Black Library book. It's been stated many more times in various sources that he built The Golden Throne.
The majority states he built it, so that has to be taken as fact. If we're given more information on the matter then I may change what I believe, but it's GW so who can tell?

Like you're last sentence, see you haven't learnt anything yet.

He just cant admit that he is wrong......

tarnish wrote:ahem...

quote: a thousand sons, by Graham Mcneill: page 447, 3 sentence down:
"The Golden Throne was the key. Unearthed from forgotten ruins sunken beneath the driest desert, it was the lodestone that would have unlocked the secrets of the alien lattrice. Now it was in ruins, its impossibly complex dimensional inhibitors and warp buffers fused beyond salvage." /quote.

now im no expert in 40k fluff, but from my standpoint that looks a lot like you need to bend over and suck that one....

oh, and screw you hazzer

Please re-read the forum rules before posting again Lorek. - Lorek

What have I done to insult you? You on the other hand:
1.This is the 2nd time you have insulted my the first one was:"dont put me in the same post as hazzer please."
2. The second was: "oh, and screw you hazzer" and Would of not of know of that if it wasn’t for iproxtaco who quoted you before you had time to change it hitch was quite sully and imachore and this will be reported to a modorator.
2. You have a different quire to the rest of us that is grate because that a background discussion is about.
3. You are keeping to that query when everyone else is specially saying its wrong.
4. You currently have on evidence (Hyperlink, extract form a book ect).
5. Again here is the official information about the golden throne:
The golden throne was originally thought up by the Emperor to be the only way into the webway however; this was scraped when Magnus the Red tried to warn the Emperor about Horus's betrayal. This action made holes in the Emperors psychic shield. Daemons then managed to pour though from the war into the human part webway killing thousands. The sisters of battle and other forces fought the daemons until the Emperor mended the psychic shield, hence closing it al apart from the Astronomican. Then when the Emperor boarded Horus's flagship Malcador the Sigillite took the ~Emperors place this ended up killing him and the mortally wounded Emperor used the rest of his power to keep the Astronomican going....

Source(This is what you need to do): http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Golden_Throne#The_Golden_Throne

6.Please re-read the forum rules before posting again Lorek . - HAZZER

OverwatchCNC wrote:

Durza wrote:Kage's homeworld in the Last Chancers did this. The only way to get one removed was join the Guardsmen as far as I remember.

No one seems to have mentioned the thousands sacrificed to the Emperor daily to keep him 'alive'.

The Grey Knights often kill any Space Marines or Guardsmen they work with so that word of their atrocities can't spread.

Torture and excecution of any 'heretics'- those with Xenos artifacts, non believers or those who displease an Inquisitor.

It has been stated before, previous codex and other sources, that Space Marines are too valuable to kill outright after serving alongside GK. In rare cases the GK will wipe the memories of some Space Marines who served with them and saw things they really should forget. Short of being tainted by Chaos the GK don't kill off SM just for the hell of it.

It has been stated in the Inquisitors codex that the Grey Knights kill anyone that tries to report the extent they go to to 'cleanse' a world. Space Marines are no exception, valuable or not.


It does seem unlikely that the Emperor could build something to access the Webway by himself. Seems more likely he found the beginnings of the Golden Throne under some desert or something, then built what humanity knows as the Golden Throne around that. So it is possible both arguments are right to some extent.