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2011/04/29 11:55:35
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Yes, but working the numbers, the Emperor is one man out of trillions, Terra is one planet out of millions. Let the Webway rip Terra and the Emperor apart and be done with the sacrifice. Then those psykers could be used as attack forces or if they're really unstable, warp time bombs.
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2011/04/29 12:26:21
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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True, but their is hiveworlds out there like armigroddion (I think thats howyou spell it?).
Hiver worlds exist, but they're a minority of planets in the Imperium.
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2011/04/29 12:45:57
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Hey I don't know about you but, why is the imperioum still fighting for the empmpror when he is dead the human race should just elect another empror like the roman emprors.And yes horous is the emprors son and if he dident join the chaos forces their would of been an 2nd empror no chaos space marines but other chaos things.If the empror haddedt made the space marines their woud not be anyy chaos marines.If the dark eldar haddent tried to expand into the universe salanesh wouldent be in realltey ect...
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2011/04/29 13:31:38
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
University of St. Andrews
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I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer....
And as for why the Imperium is still fighting for the EMperor is because to them he's not dead, he's alive on the Golden Throne, and he is not replacable. He is a living God. The Imperium is not a democracy, and they can't just appoint a new Emperor. For one thing if they took him off the Golden Throne the Astronomicon would shut down, and we all know how well that will turn out.
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2011/04/29 13:37:53
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Durza wrote:Yes, but working the numbers, the Emperor is one man out of trillions, Terra is one planet out of millions. Let the Webway rip Terra and the Emperor apart and be done with the sacrifice. Then those psykers could be used as attack forces or if they're really unstable, warp time bombs.
He powers the astronomicon.
He essentially keeps te entire Imperium together and enables warp travel.
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2011/04/29 14:03:17
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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ChrisWWII wrote:I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer....
And as for why the Imperium is still fighting for the EMperor is because to them he's not dead, he's alive on the Golden Throne, and he is not replacable. He is a living God. The Imperium is not a democracy, and they can't just appoint a new Emperor. For one thing if they took him off the Golden Throne the Astronomicon would shut down, and we all know how well that will turn out.
True but he never ever fights, plus When ever he is mentioned it gives me the impreasson he is dead.Also there are the 4 high lords of tera that kinda do his job for him.Fimally I wil try tol take "I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer...." as a complement. 
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2011/04/29 14:09:38
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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HAZZER wrote:ChrisWWII wrote:I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer....
And as for why the Imperium is still fighting for the EMperor is because to them he's not dead, he's alive on the Golden Throne, and he is not replacable. He is a living God. The Imperium is not a democracy, and they can't just appoint a new Emperor. For one thing if they took him off the Golden Throne the Astronomicon would shut down, and we all know how well that will turn out.
True but he never ever fights, plus When ever he is mentioned it gives me the impreasson he is dead.Also there are the 4 high lords of tera that kinda do his job for him.Fimally I wil try tol take "I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer...." as a complement.
It isn't a compliment.
He spends all his time keeping the astronomicon going so fighting isn't really an issue for him since he already does more for humanity each day than anyone has ever done.
The Lords of Terra more or less do his job but whenever he wants something done (It has been known to happen) he tells them to do it.
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2011/04/29 14:35:17
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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The Conquerer
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HAZZER wrote:ChrisWWII wrote:I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer....
And as for why the Imperium is still fighting for the EMperor is because to them he's not dead, he's alive on the Golden Throne, and he is not replacable. He is a living God. The Imperium is not a democracy, and they can't just appoint a new Emperor. For one thing if they took him off the Golden Throne the Astronomicon would shut down, and we all know how well that will turn out.
True but he never ever fights, plus When ever he is mentioned it gives me the impreasson he is dead.Also there are the 4 high lords of tera that kinda do his job for him.Fimally I wil try tol take "I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer...." as a complement.
the Emperor actually keeps Deamons from entering the material realm.
otherwise, deamons could walk right into reality whenever they wanted.
the Emperor makes that extreamly difficult. he is literally holding the fabric of reality together.
in addition, he sometimes directly takes part in the goings on of his empire. the Storm of the Emperor's wrath which swallowed up the Frateris Templar(the forces of the Traitor Vandire) during the Age of Apostaty.
the Emperor also answeres his prayers. sometimes with visions.
"The Emperor Protects" isn't a lighthearted statement. its a very real truth.
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2011/04/29 16:14:23
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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HAZZER wrote:
reals
True but he never ever fights, plus When ever he is mentioned it gives me the impreasson he is dead.Also there are the 4 high lords of tera that kinda do his job for him.Fimally I wil try tol take "I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer...." as a complement.
It is not a compliment in any sense of the word whatsoever. Your grammar and spelling continue to cause me physical pain whenever I have to read it.
So what? Is a person's entire worth based on whether or not they 'fight'? The High Lords of Terra (of which there are a dozen, not four) run the Imperium in the Emperor's name. They take care of the beuraucracy and war fighting, as well as making sure the Imperium does not completely colllapse. However, what the Emperor does is far more important than fighting, or what the High Lords do.
The Emperor runs the Astronomicon, binding the Imperium together. He soul-binds Astropaths so that the Imperium has some form of intersteller communicatoin, and he maintains the barrier between the Warp and rreal space so that daemons do not come pouring into real space and kill everything. He does things that are far more important than fighting. He also intervenes when necessary, either through the Emperor's Tarot, or more directly with the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath.
The Emperor is the one thing in the Imperium that is truly irreplaceable.
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2011/04/29 18:52:34
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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I'm sure a wealthy trader/artist/businessman could have their own personal palace on a world that is nothing but lush tropical islands. The descriptions of some of the nobility in some books is pretty close to this.
In the imperium, you can basically hope you are living on a world that isn't a hellhole, preferably in Ultramar, where they actually give a crap about human conditions!
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2011/04/29 19:41:39
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Tough Tyrant Guard
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It would seem to me that the Imperium is very militaristic (duh). If a planet is under direct danger of an enemy fleet or invasion force, all authority is handed over to the IG or astartes chain of command. Martial law, curfews, hoarding of rescources, etc.
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2011/04/29 21:41:23
Subject: Re:What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Imperial Guard or Arbites, not Astartes. Astartes are not qualified for such duties Grey Templar wrote:Unrest isn't tolerated.
That depends.
If the rebels succeed and prove after the fact that the ruling party wasn't doing its job to the Imperium (holding back tithes, secretly heretical, etc), then the Imperium doesn't care if you rebel. Just be sure to pay next year's taxes on time.
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2011/04/29 22:13:19
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Durza wrote:Kage's homeworld in the Last Chancers did this. The only way to get one removed was join the Guardsmen as far as I remember.
No one seems to have mentioned the thousands sacrificed to the Emperor daily to keep him 'alive'.
The Grey Knights often kill any Space Marines or Guardsmen they work with so that word of their atrocities can't spread.
Torture and excecution of any 'heretics'- those with Xenos artifacts, non believers or those who displease an Inquisitor.
It has been stated before, previous codex and other sources, that Space Marines are too valuable to kill outright after serving alongside GK. In rare cases the GK will wipe the memories of some Space Marines who served with them and saw things they really should forget. Short of being tainted by Chaos the GK don't kill off SM just for the hell of it. Automatically Appended Next Post: KamikazeCanuck wrote:One of those big rulebooks iirc.
I believe it was in the 4th ed book. Mine is packed away in the depths of my garage atm but it must be either the 4th or 3rd ed rule books, but I lean towards the 4th, anyone have their handy?!
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2011/04/29 22:46:58
Subject: Re:What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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The Conquerer
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Melissia wrote:Imperial Guard or Arbites, not Astartes. Astartes are not qualified for such duties Grey Templar wrote:Unrest isn't tolerated.
That depends.
If the rebels succeed and prove after the fact that the ruling party wasn't doing its job to the Imperium (holding back tithes, secretly heretical, etc), then the Imperium doesn't care if you rebel. Just be sure to pay next year's taxes on time.
true, but that doesn't happen often.
most unrest is either petty or Heretical in origin.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2011/04/30 07:54:29
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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purplefood wrote:HAZZER wrote:ChrisWWII wrote:I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer....
And as for why the Imperium is still fighting for the EMperor is because to them he's not dead, he's alive on the Golden Throne, and he is not replacable. He is a living God. The Imperium is not a democracy, and they can't just appoint a new Emperor. For one thing if they took him off the Golden Throne the Astronomicon would shut down, and we all know how well that will turn out.
True but he never ever fights, plus When ever he is mentioned it gives me the impreasson he is dead.Also there are the 4 high lords of tera that kinda do his job for him.Fimally I wil try tol take "I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer...." as a complement.
It isn't a compliment.
He spends all his time keeping the astronomicon going so fighting isn't really an issue for him since he already does more for humanity each day than anyone has ever done.
The Lords of Terra more or less do his job but whenever he wants something done (It has been known to happen) he tells them to do it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: HAZZER wrote:ChrisWWII wrote:I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer....
And as for why the Imperium is still fighting for the EMperor is because to them he's not dead, he's alive on the Golden Throne, and he is not replacable. He is a living God. The Imperium is not a democracy, and they can't just appoint a new Emperor. For one thing if they took him off the Golden Throne the Astronomicon would shut down, and we all know how well that will turn out.
True but he never ever fights, plus When ever he is mentioned it gives me the impreasson he is dead.Also there are the 4 high lords of tera that kinda do his job for him.Fimally I wil try tol take "I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer...." as a complement.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Grey Templar wrote:HAZZER wrote:ChrisWWII wrote:I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer....
And as for why the Imperium is still fighting for the EMperor is because to them he's not dead, he's alive on the Golden Throne, and he is not replacable. He is a living God. The Imperium is not a democracy, and they can't just appoint a new Emperor. For one thing if they took him off the Golden Throne the Astronomicon would shut down, and we all know how well that will turn out.
True but he never ever fights, plus When ever he is mentioned it gives me the impreasson he is dead.Also there are the 4 high lords of tera that kinda do his job for him.Fimally I wil try tol take "I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer...." as a complement.
the Emperor actually keeps Deamons from entering the material realm.
otherwise, deamons could walk right into reality whenever they wanted.
the Emperor makes that extreamly difficult. he is literally holding the fabric of reality together.
in addition, he sometimes directly takes part in the goings on of his empire. the Storm of the Emperor's wrath which swallowed up the Frateris Templar(the forces of the Traitor Vandire) during the Age of Apostaty.
the Emperor also answeres his prayers. sometimes with visions.
"The Emperor Protects" isn't a lighthearted statement. its a very real truth.
Automatically Appended Next Post: ChrisWWII wrote:HAZZER wrote:
reals
True but he never ever fights, plus When ever he is mentioned it gives me the impreasson he is dead.Also there are the 4 high lords of tera that kinda do his job for him.Fimally I wil try tol take "I see your grammar and spelling have yet to improve, Hazzer...." as a complement.
It is not a compliment in any sense of the word whatsoever. Your grammar and spelling continue to cause me physical pain whenever I have to read it.
So what? Is a person's entire worth based on whether or not they 'fight'? The High Lords of Terra (of which there are a dozen, not four) run the Imperium in the Emperor's name. They take care of the beuraucracy and war fighting, as well as making sure the Imperium does not completely colllapse. However, what the Emperor does is far more important than fighting, or what the High Lords do.
The Emperor runs the Astronomicon, binding the Imperium together. He soul-binds Astropaths so that the Imperium has some form of intersteller communicatoin, and he maintains the barrier between the Warp and rreal space so that daemons do not come pouring into real space and kill everything. He does things that are far more important than fighting. He also intervenes when necessary, either through the Emperor's Tarot, or more directly with the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath.
The Emperor is the one thing in the Imperium that is truly irreplaceable.
To all that ive quoted What is the Astronomicon?!?!?!?!
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2011/04/30 09:47:30
Subject: Re:What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Grey Templar wrote:Unrest isn't tolerated.
Xeno tech smuggling isn't tolerated.
Worship of anything but the emperor isn't tolerated.
not paying the Tith isn't tolerated
aside from those, you can do pretty much what you want. the actual living conditions vary greatly from horrible to pretty comfy.
I tottally agree with you. As long you do not break the law and be loyal to your Emperor life is good. People do have entertaiments like big shows, circuses, and others (Read the HH) it tells a bit an shows the side of a regular human. I also disagree with many people that as soon you become a guardsmen you are sentenced to death I call that bull 
If you say that it sucks to be a guard beacuse you are gonna die then its safe for me to say it sucks to be Space Marine beacuse you only fight and fight till you die, there i said it.
Besides it also depends on the planet you are from, yes I agree Cadia, Valhalla, Aurelia, Tanith. Many of the soldiers dont return back home but those worlds are battlefields the people are use to it so they live war. Besides read Ghost Gaunts, the Tanith love fighting, so .....not so bad huh? They also fight till they die and enjoy every second of it like Space Marines.
I also notice how many of you guys say the Imperium does so many evil things to the people but for some reason more then half of you dont even have resources and a half of that say "I dont remmember where I got it from."  at least be honest and say its a theory.
I agree the Imperium can be harsh still it isnt bad as so many people say it is. For you who say the Exterminatus is a bad thing.....It is better then just ditching the people on a planet and get slaughterd. The innocent people die to end their sufferings, and id rather get blown up with my enamy rather then be converted to chaos, eaten by tyranids, or get smashed by orks.
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2011/04/30 12:32:32
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Grey Templar wrote:
the Emperor actually keeps Deamons from entering the material realm.
otherwise, deamons could walk right into reality whenever they wanted.
the Emperor makes that extreamly difficult. he is literally holding the fabric of reality together.
where did you get that notion? did daemons have free rule untill the emperor came along? come on... there is no fluff what so ever to support this...
as for the astronomican it does make the system or terra stable, and possibly the ones around it, but even that is unfounded in any fluff whatsoever....
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2011/04/30 12:38:20
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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@HAZZER
The Astronomicon is a psychic beacon that is effectively shot into the warp through the Emperor's brain. It allows the Imperial Navy, and human ships generally, to navigate the warp without getting lost for several thousand years, for example. The Golden Throne is, in essence, a machine that powers this process. The Throne itself is powered by the souls of millions of psykers. They do not survive the process.
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2011/04/30 12:38:32
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HAZZER wrote:
To all that ive quoted What is the Astronomicon?!?!?!?!
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Astronomican
next time do your own homework 
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2011/04/30 13:46:28
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where did you get that notion? did daemons have free rule untill the emperor came along? come on... there is no fluff what so ever to support this...
as for the astronomican it does make the system or terra stable, and possibly the ones around it, but even that is unfounded in any fluff whatsoever.....
When the Emperor was alive he also kept them out of our world.
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2011/04/30 14:11:31
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tarnish wrote:Grey Templar wrote:
the Emperor actually keeps Deamons from entering the material realm.
otherwise, deamons could walk right into reality whenever they wanted.
the Emperor makes that extreamly difficult. he is literally holding the fabric of reality together.
where did you get that notion? did daemons have free rule untill the emperor came along? come on... there is no fluff what so ever to support this...
as for the astronomican it does make the system or terra stable, and possibly the ones around it, but even that is unfounded in any fluff whatsoever....
Like Bob said,
the Emperor has been keeping Deamons from, easily, entering the material realm since he was born(8000BC)
the Emperor did it while he walked amoung mankind and he does it now from the Golden Throne.
go and look at Lexicanum and learn the fluff yourself before you go and say people don't know what they are talking about
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2011/04/30 15:16:44
Subject: Re:What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Finland... the country next to Sweden? No! That's Norway! Finland is to the east! No! That's Russia!
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Sweet Jesus, Nurgle and Slaanesh in the same box!?
No, just Nurgle and Slaanesh, Jesus will be sold seperately in a blister.
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2011/04/30 16:40:27
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Grey Templar wrote:
the Emperor has been keeping Deamons from, easily, entering the material realm since he was born(8000BC)
the Emperor did it while he walked amoung mankind and he does it now from the Golden Throne.
go and look at Lexicanum and learn the fluff yourself before you go and say people don't know what they are talking about
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor
dont you think that the grey knights would be redundant if this was as perfect as you believe? while the man might make a difference in protecting his race the fact of the matter is that hes doing a less then amazing job at it. and i hold to my point....
As usual there are more sides to the truth of 40k... just like hive worlds are more then "baby factories" to support the imperial guard. Totalitarian truth is so lazy an assumption. its what corrupted the space marines and it will be the downfall of the Imperium of man.
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2011/04/30 19:23:40
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Grey Templar wrote:tarnish wrote:Grey Templar wrote:
the Emperor actually keeps Deamons from entering the material realm.
otherwise, deamons could walk right into reality whenever they wanted.
the Emperor makes that extreamly difficult. he is literally holding the fabric of reality together.
where did you get that notion? did daemons have free rule untill the emperor came along? come on... there is no fluff what so ever to support this...
as for the astronomican it does make the system or terra stable, and possibly the ones around it, but even that is unfounded in any fluff whatsoever....
Like Bob said,
the Emperor has been keeping Deamons from, easily, entering the material realm since he was born(8000BC)
the Emperor did it while he walked amoung mankind and he does it now from the Golden Throne.
go and look at Lexicanum and learn the fluff yourself before you go and say people don't know what they are talking about
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor
You're conflating what the Emperor does with the webway portal he built in the golden throne, and what the Septims in The Eldar Scrolls were retconned into doing in Oblivion...
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2011/04/30 19:43:49
Subject: Re:What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Grey Templar wrote:Melissia wrote:Imperial Guard or Arbites, not Astartes. Astartes are not qualified for such duties Grey Templar wrote:Unrest isn't tolerated.
That depends.
If the rebels succeed and prove after the fact that the ruling party wasn't doing its job to the Imperium (holding back tithes, secretly heretical, etc), then the Imperium doesn't care if you rebel. Just be sure to pay next year's taxes on time.
true, but that doesn't happen often.
most unrest is either petty or Heretical in origin.
Or perhaps the heretics simply obfuscate such.
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2011/04/30 22:09:29
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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where did you get that notion? did daemons have free rule untill the emperor came along? come on... there is no fluff what so ever to support this...
as for the astronomican it does make the system or terra stable, and possibly the ones around it, but even that is unfounded in any fluff whatsoever.....
When the Emperor was alive he also kept them out of our world.
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2011/04/30 22:12:46
Subject: Re:What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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From what I saw in the Ciaphas Cain novel Duty Calls, it doesn't seem so bad. Just so long as you don't get eaten by 'nids.
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2011/04/30 22:24:34
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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The answer, as always, is "it depends". The imperium is massive place, there is no right way of knowing how the planetary governments treat their people, beyond the standard 'No Xenos, no Chaos, worship the Emperor or die".
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2011/04/30 22:26:50
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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dont you think that the grey knights would be redundant if this was as perfect as you believe? while the man might make a difference in protecting his race the fact of the matter is that hes doing a less then amazing job at it. and i hold to my point....
I want to see you do a better job then the Emperor.... 
Emperor: Go on then sit on the Golden thrown while ill be ungrateful and complain.
(All of a sudden the entire universe collapses) 
The Emperor is up against 4 GODS and thousands of powerful deamons......He is doing the best he can, and usually as soon the lucky deamons appear from the warp they get smashed by the Imperium (not all ways in the end they will still be pushed back by the Eldars if not the Imperium)
The Emperor isn’t also as powerful as he been before since he is wounded and simply not strong enough.
Emperor: So you still think you can do a better job? 
As usual there are more sides to the truth of 40k...
Ummmm NO! You just do not get the point there are no sides when it comes to this. The Emperor kept the deamons out of our world when he was alive. I do not want to repeat what Grey Templer said already. He gave you the link where you can get more info. Read it and except that you are wrong. These are one of those things that dont have sides...They are just facts
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2011/04/30 23:09:15
Subject: What acts of tyranny does the Imperium commit on its own citizens?
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Rogue Grot Kannon Gunna
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believe what you will...
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