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iproxtaco wrote:No, because that's not what it says in the passage, as Kanluwen has clarified.

Page 120, 5th edition rulebook, The Sisters of Battle:

There are three major Orders of the Adeptus Sororitas, the fighting strength of each numbering several thousand warriors, as well as many lesser sisterhoods comprised of around a hundred or so Battle Sisters.

Rough numbers, but that still means they only number somewhere between 5000 to 20,000 Battle Sisters. That's 50 times less than the Astartes, and they're already ridiculously rare.

EDIT: Seems Kanluwen ninja'd me with that quote by a long time...
Still, he forgot to mention 1,000,000 SoB wouldn't do much in the long run, let alone 20,000.

In extended war zones they sort of DO mass produce space marines. They have to keep their numbers up somehow, so they produce more to cover the losses of the chapter. After all, 1000 guys, no matter how tough they are, don't last long when Titans are blowing them to bits.

TrollPie wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:No, because that's not what it says in the passage, as Kanluwen has clarified.

Page 120, 5th edition rulebook, The Sisters of Battle:

There are three major Orders of the Adeptus Sororitas, the fighting strength of each numbering several thousand warriors, as well as many lesser sisterhoods comprised of around a hundred or so Battle Sisters.

Rough numbers, but that still means they only number somewhere between 5000 to 20,000 Battle Sisters. That's 50 times less than the Astartes, and they're already ridiculously rare.

EDIT: Seems Kanluwen ninja'd me with that quote by a long time...
Still, he forgot to mention 1,000,000 SoB wouldn't do much in the long run, let alone 20,000.

Of course they wouldn't do much in the long run. Sororitas are generally restricted to operating on worlds where the Imperium is already present, and are commonly operating in a defensive role.

However, much like the Astartes, the symbolism of the Sororitas can have a huge impact upon the morale of defending forces. What better way to reaffirm faith in the Imperium than to witness the purifying vengeance of the Sororitas fall upon the invader?

Dunno if anyone has even said this yet but its not even geneseed that makes a human a spacemarine. geneseed merely regulates and controls all the other implants, sure its the most important bit but without the others it doesnt do very much at all. So what would be the use of implanting a bunch of cadian youths with it?

The Iron Warriors did it...

Ugly Green Trog wrote:Dunno if anyone has even said this yet but its not even geneseed that makes a human a spacemarine. geneseed merely regulates and controls all the other implants, sure its the most important bit but without the others it doesnt do very much at all. So what would be the use of implanting a bunch of cadian youths with it?

Geneseed isn't implanted. It's a blueprint grown inside the progenoid gland. It is then harvested to grow another set of organs.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:The Iron Warriors did it...

No, they didn't.

They used sorcery to essentially create 'cloned' progenoid glands that they implanted into people to harvest gene-seed from.

Wow, I notice that dakka threads go off topic alot. How did we go from thinking of ways to mass produce space marines (or rather reasons why it can't be done) to talking about geneseeds and the fanatical killer chicks?

biccat wrote:

LumenPraebeo wrote:

biccat wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:It's definitely the genetic material from their Primarch.

Their geneseed was obviously based on their Primarch, but was there really any difference between pre-Primarch geneseed and post-Primarch geneseed? I didn't think that was ever mentioned.

Reading through the Horus Heresy, have you noticed that many if not all of the Adeptus Astartes who fought before reuniting with their primarchs did not turn traitor? And if you haven't read the books, you should. They're totally awesome.

I didn't get that from the books at all. In fact, very few of marines from the traitor legions turned. One of the traitor legions (World Bearers or Luna wolves maybe?) had one side turn to chaos, but only because the legion had been split by their Primarch. The split had been based on when the marines joined, but it wasn't suggested that there were any differences in their geneseed.

No, I'm not referring to the Dark Angels.

the reason for this was that all the marines Pre-primarch had been born on Terra and had fought under the Emperor's banner.

their loyality was to the Emperor first and formost because they were more attached to him and his personality.


once the Primarchs came along, the newer recruits attached to their Primarch.

the DAs were a little different. those who betrayed the Imperium didn't follow their primarch and were mostly newer recruits and old Caliban knights following Lucifer. Caliban went out for itself. they said "Screw Johnson, Screw the Emperor, we want to do our own little thing here"

LumenPraebeo wrote:Wow, I notice that dakka threads go off topic alot. How did we go from thinking of ways to mass produce space marines (or rather reasons why it can't be done) to talking about geneseeds and the fanatical killer chicks?

Uh, because geneseed is central to the production of Astartes and the Sororitas are the closest thing to 'mass produced Astartes'(fairly unaugmented humans with powered armor and bolters) and thus central to the discussion?

Not so off-topic then, now is it?

Not entirely true. Loken and Torggadon, both natives of Cthonia, both loyalists. Time of inception to the Legion has a large effect, but it isn't the only reason. Another thing, it's Luther, not Lucifer.

Wasn't Loken Terran?

Nope, he was from Cthonia. As said, Templar has a valid point, but the loyalists weren't exclusively from Terra.

I think that, generally, Terrans were more Loyal than non-Terrans. Also all Legions except the Alpha Legion can also be split into Pre-Primarch and Post-Primarch Marines. I think The Marines that were Pri-Primarch (where part of their Legion before their Primarch) were more loyal too. Obviously these are just sweeping generalizations, many, many exceptions exist.

I agree. Garro is the epitome of this. Terran first, Barbarun second. The Emperor over Mortarion, part of The Dusk Raiders long before their transformation into the Death Guard.