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The necron lord with light staff. I mean, WTF man. WTF...

Samus_aran115 wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:DE wyches. WHY THE FETH ARE THEY ALL RUNNING. They don't even seem remotely feminine to me. Blocky chests, square jaws, tight lips, no curves, no attractive waist, idiotic hair styles and obviously 'wrong' boobs makes them my biggest irk in GW's catalog. What an atrocious failure they are. Too bad we'll have to live with them for another twenty years or so. I'll just try my best to put the most feminine heads on warriors, which are surprisingly MORE feminine.

WHY THE FETH ARE THEY ALL RUNNING: They are a close combat unit, fueled by combat drugs, thats why they are running.
Blocky chests, square jaws, etc: warriors/soldiers (especially ones that fight hand-to-hand) will have well defined/enlarged musculature.
no attractive waist, idiotic hair styles and obviously 'wrong' boobs: they are warrior eldar not page 3 girls/porn stars. Eldar are not curvy.

If you want tits and ass go to a porn site (the internet is full of them), if you want a pretty accurate and common sence model based on Dark Eldar fluff and basic principles of muscle development the wyches are fine.

That's irrelevant. There are plenty of 'bulky' women who still have nice bodies. It's not like your hips disappear or your lips get thin when you start exercising. Since when are eldar 'not curvy'? Obviously lelith is. Just because the models don't show attractive women doesn't mean that they don't exist!

The running thing I sort of get, but 4/5 of the legs in the set are running legs. That's overkill. Some running is fine, but 80% is too much for me, sorry. I'm not asking for porn-star-esque quality. I just want them to be better looking than the men in the same set!

1.Wyches do not stand still, THEY RUN into combat then JUMP all over the place, they are pumped full of drugs, they are not gonna stand a think.
2.Since when are eldar 'not curvy'? Obviously lelith is: Lelith isnt curvy. The Eldar have always (i.e. since rogue trader) been described as slender with strong dense musculature, not curvy.
3.models don't show attractive women doesn't mean that they don't exist!: I'm sorry but this is a war game, people do not stay 'pretty' in war, especially when the idea of human/xeno rights do not exist and you are fighting orks and 'nids. Dark Eldar do not care about attractiveness, they are too busy over other dark eldar, desiring power and souls.
4.I just want them to be better looking than the men in the same set: unfotunetly for you this is the wrong race/game to play. The Eldar (much like tolkenesque elves) are pretty much androgynous, the only real difference is sexual organs.

For what it's worth, I'd have to add a few things to that:

1. The combat style from wyches and Repentias isn't so different - they all charge into battle head-first - yet look at the Repentia models. Also, there is no rule in the TT that forces all miniatures to be depicted in a state of attack. In fact, a large portion of miniatures is people just walking along, standing around or doing other stuff like waving their gun, taunting opponents and yelling orders. In case of the wyches, why not have some preparing to parry a blow, for example? Variety ftw.
WHFB witches work on exactly the same concept, by the way - get drugged and charge into battle. Still their minis have some more variation.
It's not wrong that all wyches are running. It wouldn't be wrong if some of them were standing either, though. Though I'd not regard it as a big deal or even a flaw, I do have sympathy with the poster wishing for other options here.

2. Lelith is definitively more curvy than those two wyches that were posted earlier. They just look butch - which wouldn't necessarily be wrong for humans, but come on: they are still space elves. That's not just muscles anymore, that's plain fat. There's really nothing "slender" about this.
This is how Lelith was drawn in GW publications. This is also how I'm used to see female Dark Eldar in other drawings, including the comics. The miniatures simply don't fit to the designs, that's it.

Which brings us to 3: GW has always had a problem with female miniatures, that's no secret. I think they have improved, and there have always been a few who were better than the others, but at the end, miniatures deviating from drawn or written descriptions should be seen as what they are - worthy of improvements in the future.

I absolutely agree about "not staying pretty in war", actually. But in war, what you get is either scars or missing limbs. Not fat.

Kerminsr wrote:

"I did it myyyyy wayyyyyyyy"

Dark Eldar Karaoke nights won't be the same without this fella!

Mr Nobody wrote:Zoanthropes, it can't stand up.

Unless it's a resin Zoanthrope.

Lynata wrote:For what it's worth, I'd have to add a few things to that:

1. The combat style from wyches and Repentias isn't so different - they all charge into battle head-first - yet look at the Repentia models. Also, there is no rule in the TT that forces all miniatures to be depicted in a state of attack. In fact, a large portion of miniatures is people just walking along, standing around or doing other stuff like waving their gun, taunting opponents and yelling orders. In case of the wyches, why not have some preparing to parry a blow, for example? Variety ftw.
WHFB witches work on exactly the same concept, by the way - get drugged and charge into battle. Still their minis have some more variation.
It's not wrong that all wyches are running. It wouldn't be wrong if some of them were standing either, though. Though I'd not regard it as a big deal or even a flaw, I do have sympathy with the poster wishing for other options here.

Repentias have a slightly different style in that they charge mercilessly with a giant two handed Chain sword.
Wyches charge mercilessly with knifes and other exotic weapons and use style, speed, and strength to inflict the most pain possible. It's literally their job, and not a spiritual obligation brought around by some religious mumbo-jumbo. A standing witch amongst a larger group of sprinting Wyches? Whaaaa? Why would you want that? I agree that it's all a matter of personal taste, but this just strikes me as odd.

2. Lelith is definitively more curvy than those two wyches that were posted earlier. They just look butch - which wouldn't necessarily be wrong for humans, but come on: they are still space elves. That's not just muscles anymore, that's plain fat. There's really nothing "slender" about this.
This is how Lelith was drawn in GW publications. This is also how I'm used to see female Dark Eldar in other drawings, including the comics. The miniatures simply don't fit to the designs, that's it.

Are they really that bad? Not really. It's all about the pose. They can be made to look very slender, just look at the zoomed out image of the 10 miniatures, there's only a few which are truly blocky. Again, they aren't slender elves, they're pumped up on steroids athletes.

Which brings us to 3: GW has always had a problem with female miniatures, that's no secret. I think they have improved, and there have always been a few who were better than the others, but at the end, miniatures deviating from drawn or written descriptions should be seen as what they are - worthy of improvements in the future.

I absolutely agree about "not staying pretty in war", actually. But in war, what you get is either scars or missing limbs. Not fat.

They haven't deviated as far as I can see. I still think that this poster of this argument, and perhaps you, dislike the entire concept of the Wyche, and not just the models.

iproxtaco wrote:Repentias have a slightly different style in that they charge mercilessly with a giant two handed Chain sword.

The weapon doesn't matter, though. They charge - just like the wyches. And they are driven into a frenzy - just like the wyches. The details or reasons behind it are irrelevant. So why are the Repentia miniatures standing or "walking", when all the Wyches are sprinting? Same as the WHFB Dark Eldar Witches, who are not sprinting either, and those follow a combat style almost(?) completely identical to the Wyches.

So yeah, I would say it's clear that it's a matter of personal taste.

iproxtaco wrote:I still think that this poster of this argument, and perhaps you, dislike the entire concept of the Wyche, and not just the models.

Despite not even playing DE myself, I do like the idea. And I like some of the models, such as Lelith. We could just as well turn this around and say that maybe you dislike the entire concept of the Wyches if you disregard their official pictures.


Look at the older wych miniatures and note how the females look ... well, more female. Or more androgynous. In a way, the blocky muscles just make them look too masculine, which I think fits neither to their fighting style (favoring speed and light weapons) nor even their entire race (slender, androgynous).

Of course the new miniatures could well be a retcon/remake rather than just a flawed design. *shrugs* In that case I could only say that personally, I'd think a "hybrid" between the new (-> details) and the old (-> proportions, hair) miniatures would be perfect.

This far and nobody has brought up the old Lemartes?

I still think that this poster of this argument, and perhaps you, dislike the entire concept of the Wyche, and not just the models.

You're probably right. I find the entire idea of wyches to be much too masculine.

I'm agreeing with lynata here on the artwork. Almost everything showing female wyches portrays them exactly how I'd like them to look in plastic. Curvy, seductive, dainty and deadly. The more I think about it, the new wyches just look like common cutthroats. For all their fluff describing them as elegant killers, their poses and faces are much too aggressive. Not at all what I'd expect of cold, calculating warriors.

Chowderhead wrote:

His face always gave me a look of "We're the best?"

Really?
Looks to me like he's just had a stroke from his facial expression.
Either that or the Company Commander just asked the 'culprit' (you know what for.... ) to own up......

Oh right, I know some other sculpts that irks me... All the phoenix lords (except perhaps Maugan Ra, but even he could look better). They all have great illustrations that is really cool, but most of them look so squat, and/or have tremenduosly ugly faces.

Vladsimpaler wrote:The Cadians


I used to have them and I didn't mind them, but looking back on it, they sucked. Look like freaking football players with monkey hands.

I actually like Cadians; A lot. Kit bashing with Cadians is an art form; there are just so many different parts you can get with them! The Battlebox alone provides you with enough different parts to make a totally unique set of troops.

Not only that, but I actually like the look of the armor/helmet. I admit, I loved the Starship Trooper movie, so I'm probably bias'd on that; but because the armor and clothes are easily seperated, it's easy to paint hundreds of them with 2+ colours, and still match you're tanks.

What I hate is Hormagants; already been discussed though, those gakkers just don't group well.

Commissar Yarrick. Seriously, he looks like a vampire or something

guyperson5 wrote:Commissar Yarrick. Seriously, he looks like a vampire or something

Oh gawd yea, I forgot about him... I actually really hate his model now that I think about it. I much prefer the picture they provide (orc head between claws).

Im not a huge fan of the Ork Tankbusta Nob. He looks all hunchbacked and weird.

Have we really managed 2 pages of discussion on the Wych models because they don't fit some 15 year old's fantasy vision of leather-clad space elf wimmins?

For terrible models how about the Beast of Nurgle, the ultimate 'slap some green stuff together because it's 'nurgley' creation:

MandalorynOranj wrote:Im not a huge fan of the Ork Tankbusta Nob. He looks all hunchbacked and weird.

he's an ork, what'da expect?

Kerminsr wrote:

Actually, not just this piece of poo, but all dark eldar from 3rd edition.

He reminds me of the evil priest from Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom

also did anyone notice that his "face" is just skin over a helmet

EmilCrane wrote:

Kerminsr wrote:

Actually, not just this piece of poo, but all dark eldar from 3rd edition.

He reminds me of the evil priest from Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom

also did anyone notice that his "face" is just skin over a helmet

That's the whole point of the model, that was wargear in the old DE book IIRC.

Scrap everything I said. That Lamassu model....is just fething awful. I hate it. I've never been so pissed off about a GW release. It's just awful! It's pathetic!

Goddard wrote:Scrap everything I said. That Lamassu model....is just fething awful. I hate it. I've never been so pissed off about a GW release. It's just awful! It's pathetic!

It looks suspiciously like the Chaos Dwarf Lamassu from the 90's......and as such, I have to approve...

Goddard wrote:Scrap everything I said. That Lamassu model....is just fething awful. I hate it. I've never been so pissed off about a GW release. It's just awful! It's pathetic!

It's a re-release of an old model that they've pulled from the vaults for nostalgia's sake. It's great!

chaos dread and raptors, dread as its still metal and dosnt come with a base and raptors because the just plain cant stand up when they were metal
(not sure if they do in finecast now)

In my defense, I liked both the Storm-Raven and the Nemesis Dreadknight...so what I like/dislike is not normal I guess. But I just...ugh! I just don't like it.

Corrode wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:

Kerminsr wrote:

Actually, not just this piece of poo, but all dark eldar from 3rd edition.

He reminds me of the evil priest from Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom

also did anyone notice that his "face" is just skin over a helmet

That's the whole point of the model, that was wargear in the old DE book IIRC.

He reminds me of the texas chain saw massicare. Waering peoples faces and all.

I really don't like the Mephiston model. For being the Lord Of Death and supposedly the biggest badass in the Blood Angels his golden locks are less than intimidating

he's a Blood Angel, they are supposed to be all pretty and fair.

that said, he could use a new sculpt. something more Dynamic.



He's in the same boat as Ragnar. awsome rules, but model is dated.

Are people really that lazy, incompetent, whatever to properly weight zoanthorpe bases? My metal ones have never had any problems.

Fleshborers have the 'clip' not devourers, and yes its kind of silly.

The rokkit arm set in the ork boy box doesn't line up right

I have personally handled metal Zoenthropes.

they require an inordinate amount of weighting to balance properly. Resin is a godsend for Nid players.

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