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mattyrm wrote:Surely the emperor wasn't mortal, the bloke was 4000 thousand years old, long before humanity had the technology to live unaturally long. The guy was around before Jesus wasn't he?
It's very likely he was Jesus
I still say Jesus was his son...which would make Jesus a primarch
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Back on topic. If you type god emperor Jesus into the internet you end up with a lot of forum threads like this. So we aren't the only ones to have thought of it.
Anyway. If jesus was his son that means that the emperor is capable of fornication. We learn something every day. That's guessing that the emperor ad not worked out how to grow men out of his DNA then.
Back on topic. If you type god emperor Jesus into the internet you end up with a lot of forum threads like this. So we aren't the only ones to have thought of it.
Anyway. If jesus was his son that means that the emperor is capable of fornication. We learn something every day. That's guessing that the emperor ad not worked out how to grow men out of his DNA then.
The Emperor is able to fornicate in fact he has tons of children all of which do not age, look up the Sensei
iproxtaco wrote:The argument goes against established canon.
This.
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deffskulla wrote:
Anyone have the reference to the book where an Inquistor talks to the Emperor and finds out he has multiple personalities? Somewhere the fluff as states the Emperor was made up of 12 beings and they came together as one...
This takes place in the Inquisition War trilogy, and is the source of the whole Star Child thing. The Emperor is the amalgam of thousands of shamans, et. al., but his long imprisonment in the throne is causing his personality to fracture and fray (he's slowly going crazy, basically). The Star Child is his compassion, which was cast out when he finally could bring himself to kill Horus.
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DeadlySquirrel wrote:Basically, a group of human shamans all sacrificed themselves to create a super-physcic human - the Emporer. He isn't an old one. He is just a psyker with a power level of over 9000...
So he is devoid of compassion, so AKA a psychopath.
He has multiple personality disorder.
Are you sure this guy should rule mankind? I mean it seems a bit dangerous.
I spose we don't really need to worry about that anymore. Maybe the high lords of terra were right. They may be power greedy. They may accept imperial cults. But at least they are not madmen.
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Nearly every great leader in the history of the world has been a psychopath to some degree, so are CEOs. It is a quality that is needed when making hard decisions that are in the long run for the betterment of a society or group.
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DeadlySquirrel wrote:Basically, a group of human shamans all sacrificed themselves to create a super-physcic human - the Emporer. He isn't an old one. He is just a psyker with a power level of over 9000...
I agree with what this guy said
and another note, I remember hearing somewhere that back in some old school/original/unaltered fluff, that the warhammer and warhammer 40,000 universes were connected.
in warhammer, as the threat of chaos was just beginning to appear, the wizards in warhammer fantasy realized that the power of chaos was slowly killing them off, (I mean physically and spiritually, because apparently they would reincarnate from what I've been told) At some point, the wizards decided that they would sacrifice themselves all at once, and all that psychic energy could not be destroyed by chaos all at once. All that psychic energy managed to reincarnate itself as (who would be become) the emperor of mankind. The emperor would also be the being(s) who would create armies and empires and try to conquer the world throughout history (alexander the great anyone?)
thats something a red shirt told me once, I asked him why did GW null that and change the store to "a group of shamans" but he didn't know why.
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Okay everyone, after reading all the fine arguements you've all put up I've been convinced of my own error, and 'evidence' I posted initially can be refuted.
The Emperor was pretty F&@king smart, so he was able to figure out the webway like the Eldar.
Him being a powerful psyker is explained by the official story of wizards/shamans reincarnating in him.
His first priority was humanity by simple virtue of him being human himself.
The reincarnation story would make him ancient and caring.
For those who want to read emperor communication can read this spoiler from inquisitor war series -
WARNING, SPOILERS FOR "DRACO" FOLLOW.
Spoiler:
"WE ARE CURIOUS," came a mighty anguished thought which itself transcended time. "WE HAVE FOLLOWED YOUR INTRUSION INTO OUR SANCTUARY, OUR ANTRUM AND ADYTUM.
"My lord." Jaq sank to his knees. "I beg to report to you before I am destroyed. I may have uncovered a major conspiracy-"
"THEN WE WILL STRIP YOUR SOUL BARE. RELAX, MORTAL MAN, OR YOU WILL SURELY DIE IN SUCH PAIN ASWE ALWAYS ENDURE."
-Jaq is subsequently soul-stripped and then restored-
"WE HAVE PUT BACK WHAT WE TOOK AND TASTED, INQUISITOR"
"WE ARE MANY, INQUISITOR"
"HOW ELSE COULD WE ADMINISTER OUR IMPERIUM-"
"AS WELL AS WINNOW THE WARP-"
"HOW ELSE?"
"SO DOES THE HYDRA THREATEN US?"
"IMPERILLING OUR GREAT AND AWFUL PLAN TO STEER HUMANITY?"
"DID WE OURSELVES DEVISE THE HYDRA?"
"PERHAPS IN A PART OF US, SINCE THE HYDRA PROMISES A PATH?"
"SURELY A MALEVOLENT PATH; FOR HOW COULD HUMANITY EVER FREE ITSELF?"
"THEN WE MUST BE MALEVOLENT TOO. FOR WE HAVE EXPELLED OUR SENTIMENTALITY LONG AGO. HOW ELSE COULD WE HAVE ENDURED? HOW ELSE COULD WE HAVE IMPOSED OUR RULE?"
"YET BY VIRTUE OF THAT WE ARE PURE AND UNCONTAMINATED BY WEAKNESS. WE ARE GRIM SALVATION."
"NOTHING THAT SAFEGUARDS HUMANITY CAN BE EVIL, NOT EVEN THE MOST STRENUOUS INHUMANITY. IF THE HUMAN RACE FAILS IT HAS FAILED FOREVER."
"WHEN WE CONFRONTED THE CORRUPTED, HOMICIDAL HORUS WHO ONCE USED TO SHINE LIKE THE BRIGHTEST STAR, WHO USED TO BE OUR BELOVED FAVOURITE - WHEN THE FATE OF THE GALAXY HUNG BY A THREAD - WERE WE NOT COMPELLED TO EXPEL ALL COMPASSION? ALL LOVE? ALL JOY? THOSE WENT AWAY. HOW ELSE COULD WE HAVE ARMOURED OURSELVES? EXISTENCE IS TORMENT, A TORMENT THAT MUST NOURISH US. EVIDENTLY WE MUST STRIVE TO BE THE FIERCE REDEEMER OF MAN, YET WHAT WILL REDEEM US?"
"Great Lord of All, did you know of the Hydra before now?" Jaq asks.
"YET SURELY WE KNEW. HOW COULD WE NOT KNOW?"
"ONCE WE HAVE ANALYSED THE INFORMATION WITHIN THIS SUB-MIND OF OURS."
"HEAR THIS, JAQ DRACO: ONLY TINY PORTIONS OF US CAN HEED YOU, OTHERWISE WE NEGLECT OUR IMPERIUM, OF WHICH OUR SCRUTINY MUST NOT FALTER FOR AN INSTANT. FOR TIME DOES NOT HALT EVERYWHERE WITHIN THE REALM OF MAN. INDEED TIME ONLY HALTS FOR YOU."
"WE ARE AN EVER WATCHFUL LORD, ARE WE NOT? DID YOU HOPE TO GAIN OUR UNDIVIDED ATTENTION?"
"HOW ELSE SHOULD WE SOUL-BIND PSYKERS AND OVERVIEW THE WARP AND BEAM THE ASTRONOMICAN BEACON AND SURVIVE AND RECEIVE INFORMATION AND GRANT AUDIENCES ALL AT ONCE, UNLESS WE ARE MANY?"
"AND YET STILL WE MISS SO MUCH, SO VERY MUCH? SUCH AS THAT WHICH GUIDED YOU HERE"
"OUR SPIRIT GUIDED YOU."
"NO: ANOTHER SPIRIT, A REFLECTION OF OUR GOODNESS WHICH WE THRUST FROM US."
"WE ARE THE ONLY SOURCE OF GOODNESS, SEVERE AND DRASTIC. THERE IS NO OTHER SOURCE OF HOPE THAN US. WE ARE AGONISINGLY ALONE."
-After which Jaq Draco and his retinue flee and time resumes-
My opinion is that the real emperor was killed during the attack on Sixty-Three-Nineteen. And that the legions who fell to chaos realised their mistake, thus beginning their quest to dethrone the false emperor. Perhaps their battle cry "death to the false emperor" is true.
If holy terra is supposed to be earth is it not in the wrong position in the milky way?
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BluntmanDC wrote:Nearly every great leader in the history of the world has been a psychopath to some degree, so are CEOs. It is a quality that is needed when making hard decisions that are in the long run for the betterment of a society or group.
Erm, not quite.
There is, I believe but don't have it to hand, evidence that a higher proportion than the norm of CEO's and the like are sociopaths (/have ASPD).
This does not mean by any stretch that every great leader has been a sociopath.
To think that sociopaths make decisions for the betterment of a society is missing the point about sociopaths. The defining characteristic of sociopaths is their disregard for others.
Lord Demon wrote:My opinion is that the real emperor was killed during the attack on Sixty-Three-Nineteen. And that the legions who fell to chaos realised their mistake, thus beginning their quest to dethrone the false emperor. Perhaps their battle cry "death to the false emperor" is true.
That would, however, require a massive retcon.
If holy terra is supposed to be earth is it not in the wrong position in the milky way?
Not as far as I know. It's on the Western side of the Milky Way, at least. Segmentum Solar is not in the centre of the Mliky Way.
So is that multiple personality what was referenced in Legion?
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