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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 19:14:18
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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mattyrm wrote:
Do you think that there is a correlation between education level and life expectancy?
I mean, say a country is full of people who complete university, wont they have better stats not just due to the health service itself, but also down to the care the citizens take of themselves? Isnt this a good reason why Japan are up there? Not because they have the best doctors and hospitals, but the best diets and exercise regimes?
I doubt it. The sedentary lifestyles that come with higher education tend to promote obesity, which makes everything about health worse. Then there's the issue of deliberately choosing to live shorter lives due to a preference something over living longer. Then there's genetics. Then there's being educated in the right things, and not just educated.
You have to be educated sure, but in the right way, while having the desire to leverage your education in order to live longer, healthier lives.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 19:31:46
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Fixture of Dakka
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dogma wrote:mattyrm wrote:
Do you think that there is a correlation between education level and life expectancy?
I mean, say a country is full of people who complete university, wont they have better stats not just due to the health service itself, but also down to the care the citizens take of themselves? Isnt this a good reason why Japan are up there? Not because they have the best doctors and hospitals, but the best diets and exercise regimes?
I doubt it. The sedentary lifestyles that come with higher education tend to promote obesity, which makes everything about health worse. Then there's the issue of deliberately choosing to live shorter lives due to a preference something over living longer. Then there's genetics. Then there's being educated in the right things, and not just educated.
You have to be educated sure, but in the right way, while having the desire to leverage your education in order to live longer, healthier lives.
You could make some argument that education plays a role. According to nation master, there's a 61% correlation between the number of years spent in school in a given country and the odds of living to reach 65 years of age. Keep in mind that this is a blank number and doesn't take into account factors such as obesity, wars, etc.
Here's the top 10 in years spent in education:
# 1 United States: 12
# 2 Norway: 11.8
# 3 New Zealand: 11.7
# 4 Canada: 11.6
# 5 Sweden: 11.4
# 6 Australia: 10.9
# 7 Switzerland: 10.5
# 8 Germany: 10.2
# 9 Finland: 10
# 10 Poland: 9.8
And the chances of a woman reaching 65 years of age:
# 1 Japan: 92.1%
= 2 Spain: 91.4%
= 2 Greece: 91.4%
# 4 Italy: 90.9%
# 5 Sweden: 90.8%
# 6 Switzerland: 90.5%
= 7 Finland: 90.3%
= 7 Cyprus: 90.3%
# 9 Australia: 90.2%
# 10 France: 90.1%
Though, looking at it a little deeper it's probably just indicative of how well rounded such countries as Sweden, Finland and Switzerland are in terms of citizen quality of life...
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 20:14:57
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
Reading, England
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I have to say that the NHS does pretty damn well for anyone who is injured or sick, they are just overworked/abused and don't get enough dosh thanks to certain people.
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Bruins fan till the end.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 20:23:09
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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agnosto wrote:
Though, looking at it a little deeper it's probably just indicative of how well rounded such countries as Sweden, Finland and Switzerland are in terms of citizen quality of life...
Yeah, my guess is that if you ran the numbers by country you would see an insignificant positive correlation, though the true test would be looking at individuals in a single country, or small region.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 20:50:29
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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For some reason, I've yet to see anyone quoting the occasional charity threads you can see about helping a fellow american gamer that's now in serious financial trouble after suffering from an accident.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 23:02:54
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
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o0shotty0o wrote:My opinion of gays are different than theres.And thay dont like that
..that, and the fact that your hate-filled rants look like they were composed by a semi-literate 7-year old.
I mean, who spells 'they' incorrectly?
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Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 23:22:38
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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Albatross wrote:o0shotty0o wrote:My opinion of gays are different than theres.And thay dont like that
..that, and the fact that your hate-filled rants look like they were composed by a semi-literate 7-year old.
I mean, who spells 'they' incorrectly?
This made me chuckle out loud in a quiet room full of strangers.
That's what I get for checking Dakka on my iPad.
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Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
W: 1.756 Quadrillion L: 0 D: 2
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 23:24:11
Subject: Re:The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Being stared at oddly by a room full of strangers is just what you get for having an iPad.
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Prestor Jon wrote:Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 23:40:05
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
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Monster Rain wrote:Albatross wrote:o0shotty0o wrote:My opinion of gays are different than theres.And thay dont like that
..that, and the fact that your hate-filled rants look like they were composed by a semi-literate 7-year old.
I mean, who spells 'they' incorrectly?
This made me chuckle out loud in a quiet room full of strangers.
That's what I get for checking Dakka on my iPad.
Please, please, please tell me that you are in a doctor's waiting-room right now. That, at least, would salvage something from this abortion of a thread.
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Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/24 23:45:30
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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Alas, I am waiting for my daughter to get out of gymnastics.
I hope she doesn't sprain her ankle. I don't have enough chickens to trade the woods witch for some of that there doctorin'.
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Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
W: 1.756 Quadrillion L: 0 D: 2
Haters gon' hate. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 00:48:48
Subject: Re:The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Monster Rain wrote:Other than the highest political office in the land, you mean. 
Well played, good sir. Automatically Appended Next Post: CptJake wrote:I submit heat deaths are indicative of the health care system.
You submit wrong. There is plenty of blame to be handed out across France, particularly to families who left their elderly at home when they went on vacation, but not so much on the healthcare system.
In fact, the French healthcare system actually worked extremely well, for those who were in it. This is why the deaths from heat were such a weird set of statistics - the sick and the very old survived because they were in care, it was the less old who died, as they remained in houses that were never built for 40' temperatures. Automatically Appended Next Post: KingCracker wrote:Actually what happens in America, is if you dont have insurance, you tell the nurse staff, they set you up with someone from DHS (Department of Human Services) and then they treat you. Sooooooooooo no body actually dies in this process. Yea its far from perfect, and the DHS insurance is laughable half the time, but you will at least be treated
For emergency care. Which is half the problem, people are ignored while they have minor complaints, and then a fortune is spent when that flairs up into something major. This is both more expensive, and less effective than seeing a doctor before something becomes a major problem. Automatically Appended Next Post: o0shotty0o wrote:My opinion of gays are different than theres.And thay dont like that
Okay, making a guess about what your opinion might be... good on them for not liking your opinion. Automatically Appended Next Post: mattyrm wrote:In a nutshell, the more fat, stupid, ignorant chavs you have, the more they drink and smoke and do drugs, and the worse your nations average health is.
Not due to the poor service, but due to the citizens. And I bet if you check the stats for heart disease in somewhere that's famous for fat drunk chav's (Glasgow for example) they are enormously higher than somewhere nice and pleasant like Oxford.
Whaddya think? 
That I enjoy seeing how, no matter the topic, you manage to blame it on chavs. Automatically Appended Next Post: dogma wrote:I doubt it. The sedentary lifestyles that come with higher education tend to promote obesity, which makes everything about health worse.
There's a much stronger correlation between low incomes and obesity though.
I know a lot of people explain this by talking about greater time pressures on the working poor, and the low cost of high fat food and blah blah blah, but ultimately I think there's a pretty strong correlation between being lazy and earning less money, and a pretty strong correlation between being lazy and being fat, therefore...
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 00:52:59
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Norway is the best country in terms of healthcare.
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From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:03:36
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Savage Minotaur
Chicago
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Cheesecat wrote:Sasori wrote:Are people really going to try to discuss things with this guy after the last thread?
I'm surprised he hasn't been banhammered yet, it's kind of embarrassing to see the mods allow someone with such offensive posting history to still continue.

Nope, I was banned instead of him.
The U.S system is poo, basically. I know that the Scandinavian countries are up there in terms of great healthcare.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:14:47
Subject: Re:The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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This thread is giving me chest pains...
Which country should I be in again?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:16:41
Subject: Re:The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Savage Minotaur
Chicago
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Medium of Death wrote:This thread is giving me chest pains...
Which country should I be in again?
The one shotty is in, if not, you are ignerent, gay, and a word that the gays made up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:29:16
Subject: Re:The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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They have their own words now?
Surely all red blooded men are doomed...
DOOMED!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:30:41
Subject: Re:The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Medium of Death wrote:They have their own words now?
Surely all red blooded men are doomed...
DOOMED!
DOOMBREAD?
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:31:15
Subject: Re:The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
Imperium - Vondolus Prime
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Medium of Death wrote:They have their own words now?
Surely all red blooded men are doomed...
DOOMED!
That reminds me of a commercial I saw about supporting (or not supporting, I forget) Prop 8 in California. Gays were basically described as a dark cloud on the horizon. It was shamefully bad.
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All is forgiven if repaid in Traitor's blood. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:31:22
Subject: Re:The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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purplefood wrote:Medium of Death wrote:They have their own words now?
Surely all red blooded men are doomed...
DOOMED!
DOOMBREAD?
DOOMFART?
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Iron Warriors 442nd Grand Battalion: 10k points |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:31:46
Subject: Re:The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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DOOMBREADED strips of BLAME, with a side order of VICTIM
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:37:37
Subject: Re:The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Savage Minotaur
Chicago
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You know, I heard that the new CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORTS were perfect for traveling through some space corridors and industrial towers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:42:51
Subject: Re:The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
Imperium - Vondolus Prime
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I think this thread has just passed the point of no return.
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All is forgiven if repaid in Traitor's blood. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:44:25
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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I remember Richard Moore having a documentary about this XD
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From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:44:47
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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In a good way right?
I heard you get a lovely view from the point of no return...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:47:16
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
Imperium - Vondolus Prime
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purplefood wrote:In a good way right?
I heard you get a lovely view from the point of no return...
Is it so beautiful that it should have never existed?
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All is forgiven if repaid in Traitor's blood. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:49:08
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Goddard wrote:purplefood wrote:In a good way right?
I heard you get a lovely view from the point of no return...
Is it so beautiful that it should have never existed?
Not quite that good...
Nice though.
It'd make for one hell of a postcard...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:51:14
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
Imperium - Vondolus Prime
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purplefood wrote:Goddard wrote:purplefood wrote:In a good way right?
I heard you get a lovely view from the point of no return...
Is it so beautiful that it should have never existed?
Not quite that good...
Nice though.
It'd make for one hell of a postcard...
Oh, it sounds lovely!
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All is forgiven if repaid in Traitor's blood. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:52:11
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Goddard wrote:purplefood wrote:Goddard wrote:purplefood wrote:In a good way right?
I heard you get a lovely view from the point of no return...
Is it so beautiful that it should have never existed?
Not quite that good...
Nice though.
It'd make for one hell of a postcard...
Oh, it sounds lovely!
Very much so...
There's a tea house and everything.
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:53:47
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
Imperium - Vondolus Prime
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purplefood wrote:Very much so...There's a tea house and everything.
I very much want a picture of it now.
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All is forgiven if repaid in Traitor's blood. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:57:09
Subject: The best country to be in for healthcare ?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Goddard wrote:purplefood wrote:Very much so...There's a tea house and everything.
I very much want a picture of it now.
Use your mind camera!
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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