His Master's Voice wrote:

Ktulhut wrote:What's the bet most of these models will be limted edition?

I'd say the odds are about 1 to 1000000 on this one. It's not SH/DF, there's no fixed cost of cardboard tiles or cloth mat, there are only plastic and finecast molds. Did GW ever limit a purely miniature release, other than a few Games Day models?

kenshin620 wrote:Oh well I wasnt aquatically saying they should make them, just pointing out that they do have elephants. I do doubt elephants would be made

streamdragon wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:

Ktulhut wrote:What's the bet most of these models will be limted edition?

I'd say the odds are about 1 to 1000000 on this one. It's not SH/DF, there's no fixed cost of cardboard tiles or cloth mat, there are only plastic and finecast molds. Did GW ever limit a purely miniature release, other than a few Games Day models?

They did do a few limited edition models that were sold in batallions or army boxes. The Beastmen Standard Bearer is an example, or the special limited edition Lictor with the Tyranid box.

Murdock129 wrote:I think about the biggest model we'll be getting from these contingents is a recast of that Tsar on a bear...

Minsc wrote:I could see some form of Elemental thing

the araby have 2 cav 2 inf, 1 "ogre sized" 1 character

other contingents have about the same number of stuff... if there expanded they will get lots of stuff, Ive seen some bizarre concepts and i wish i could mention them all

im most excited by araby because of the figures are a real wow not to say im not fond of the insect riders or the ice wizard... or the estalian conquistadors but the arabyian stuff steals the show

ghost21 wrote:

Gabacho Mk.II wrote:What if they look something like this?
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=120003&d=1318433129

sort of... if you like yuan ti then yes.

loveless wrote:Well, I don't know about Sorcerers (they could always buy the magic item, though), but there's a flying carpet unit in Warmaster. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490071a&prodId=prod1130250

I think that's a given
The araby have 2 cav 2 inf, 1 "ogre sized" 1 character
Other contingents have about the same number of stuff... if they are expanded they will get lots of stuff, I've seen some bizarre concepts and I wish I could mention them all.
I'm most excited by araby because of the figures are a real wow not to say I'm not fond of the insect riders or the ice wizard... or the estalian conquistadors, but the arabyian stuff steals the show.

Minsc wrote:I could see some form of Elemental thing

Baragash wrote:

Minsc wrote:I could see some form of Elemental thing

I think that may be the province of Forge World, they just released a Lore of Beasts (or Life, I forget?) one and one of the special rules it has is written in a way that clearly shows they plan more.

I thought about war altar horses and finecast horses made for absent electors as plasticised versions for altar and knights - 2 types are more then ok

well the altar will have its own horses....

the female guards aren't those mentioned there , called something along the lines of harem guards

as i said there will be 2 characters as far as i know she wont be I've heard its "universal characters"

one last thing the allies rule has 3 different ways of aligning your force with another theres neutral allies, friendly and unfriendly (unfriendly represents, people forcing them to fight or they don't like each other but its for the best) there will be rules to use say (its just an example) chaos in empire but theres significant drawbacks to this

they also will be balanced for about 750 points to use by themselves, any more they lack any heavy hitters

You misunderstood. If you go over the 750 points (or proportional to the army size?) you won't be able to take the special stuff.
You can take a large contingent but then you'll have to settle for the ordinary units.
I don't think so. If you look at it, the 'whatever you want IF below 750 pts' is surprisingly elegant.

thats how i meant it

you can allign 2 or all of them together to create a rag tag army or infernal alliance (n yes that's the exact wording)

however some really hate each other and so have some drawbacks

theres only 1 character who can be an over general (n remove the bad effects) and hes estallian

Ah. Any info on whether there's any wording on saying that the lists can be used stand-alone? I have an all-Kislev army, and can see people going into whinemode if I try to deploy them as a standard army.

they can, but theres no cannons (save for pirates) and they lack a lot of options , only hero characters but if you want to, you can, they just have restrictions as noted above

So is Sartosa the fifth contingent then? It wouldn't surprise me seeing as we've just got Dreadfleet and the interveiw with Phil Kelly and John Blanche in this month's WD did mention that the game started as "Mordheim in Sartosa".

its not no, but the pirate contingent i heard would be wd only

Do you think there will be any difference between tilean and estalian contingents, or will they share the same units?

the only unit they share is pike and tillen can only have pike units where as estalia have a pike / crossbow combined unit

Oh, similar to Pirazzo's Lost Legion? Front rank crossbows and pikes behind?

I hope so I always wanted to field those guys.

well you will be able too, kinda

I'll also throw out there that I'm not confirming the contingents rumour either. Make of that statement what you will.
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I could pretty much (and I'm not bragging here) post a list of all completed wfb models and those currently being done, and neither werewolves or any of the contingents stuff listed would make that list.

Kroothawk wrote:75hastings69 is sceptical:

I'll also throw out there that I'm not confirming the contingents rumour either. Make of that statement what you will.
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I could pretty much (and I'm not bragging here) post a list of all completed wfb models and those currently being done, and neither werewolves or any of the contingents stuff listed would make that list.

Some models like Kislev could be just Finecast recasts, others like the insects would have to be totally new.

Flashman wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:75hastings69 is sceptical:

I'll also throw out there that I'm not confirming the contingents rumour either. Make of that statement what you will.
(...)
I could pretty much (and I'm not bragging here) post a list of all completed wfb models and those currently being done, and neither werewolves or any of the contingents stuff listed would make that list.

Some models like Kislev could be just Finecast recasts, others like the insects would have to be totally new.

I'll take Hastings over Ghost. Was kind of sceptical myself to be honest

kenshin620 wrote:

Flashman wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:75hastings69 is sceptical:

I'll also throw out there that I'm not confirming the contingents rumour either. Make of that statement what you will.
(...)
I could pretty much (and I'm not bragging here) post a list of all completed wfb models and those currently being done, and neither werewolves or any of the contingents stuff listed would make that list.

Some models like Kislev could be just Finecast recasts, others like the insects would have to be totally new.

I'll take Hastings over Ghost. Was kind of sceptical myself to be honest

Warhammer Fantasy's version of "Summer of Fliers"?

NatTreehouse wrote:Has anyone *apart* from ghost21 confirmed this rumour?
There's nothing about this coming through my sources.
And according to folks in the know, unless Alan Merrit dies another attempt at Dogs of War/Allies/Contingents is about as likely as a Miley Cyrus Codex for 40K.
Also Finecast is for characters. Plastic is for troops. The idea that GW would produce four or five different sets of finecast troops for five different armies is just a non-starter. As is the idea that they would make plastic Araby, insectmen or Kislevs.
And January is for Vampires (I got told Feb, but dates ain't my strongpoint).

I ain't buying this Kool-Aid.

75hastings69 wrote:It could be the case that this has been kept very quiet and why no-one but ghost21 has heard of them, but I certainly haven't.

The poster above that mentioned Alan Merritt couldn't be more spot on.

rodmillard wrote:Finecast is for models they don't expect to sell enough of to justify a plastic sprue. Some characters are plastic (because they expect them to sell in bulk) and some units are finecast (because they don't, or were originally only available in metal and they need to keep them available in store) - that is the only "pattern."

Also consider that many of the rumoured releases already exist as masters for metal, making the finecast option even less of a risk for GW. Kislev had quite a wide range in metal - they would just need new mounts. There are already metal sculpts for Tilean and Estalian pikemen, crossbowmen, skirmishers, heavy cavalry, and the Galloper Gun (all still available in the collectors range). The ONLY Araby unit ever released for WFB was DOW light cavalry (just add new camel sculpts).

I could very easily see GW re-releasing these models in finecast accompanied by contingent lists in WD to see if there is a market for contingents - assuming the experiment succeeds, then they can tweak the rules, add new sculpts (either in plastic or finecast) and Warhammer: The Grand Alliance can be the next Storm of Magic.

I'm not saying Ghost is wrong - what he suggests could very easily be GW's long term plan for the contingents, but in the mean time by keeping the contingents as WD "bonus" lists and rereleasing the existing metal sculpts for Kislev and Tilea/Estalia in finecast first they still have a get-out-of-jail-free card if it doesn't sell.

Flashman wrote:
Indeed, though we did actually get the Summer of Fliers... it's just that Manticores, Chimeras, Black Dragons & Cockatrices weren't the fliers people had in mind

kenshin620 wrote:
Then perhaps we'll get a 40k Mercenary book?

NatTreehouse wrote:...Miley Cyrus Codex for 40K.

Alan Merrett

As one of Games Workshop's longest serving employees, Alan Merrett has held many important posts over the years - from being in charge of miniatures design, the production studio, the Golden Demon awards and the Black Library - to his current position overseeing the development of Games Workshop's wealth of intellectual proprety. Underpinning all these key roles has been his complete enthusiasm for the model soldier - an enthusiasm which has resulted in Alan being one of the driving forces behind Games Workshop's imagery.

Let me just say this.

When I heard boats coming ghost was the first person to post anything about it
He didn't know details but he knew about it. He had seen? heard? stuff at a very early stage in the games development.
This was before hastings knew about it.

Nattreehouse may only have 7 posts but his first posts were to bring us the detail of what Dread Fleet was about. He was the first person to nail this before I knew what it was all about. Check back on his posts.
However he did not start to post until very close to release.
Could be he only has a short window ... could be he is a loyal GW fan. (Theres a lot of this about. )

Hastings is right 99.9% of the time. He is the Jedi master of rumours. He is rumour Yoda. I trust his posts above all others.
When he says something is happening ... it almost always happens.
When he says something isn't happening ... it almost never does.

Not sure where that leaves us.

Is it possible that this is a blind spot for hastings Natreehouse and myself? .... YES
Is it possible ghost has seen/heard about this at such an early stage of development than none of the rest of us know anything about it? .... YES!

(Although the level of detail in ghosts posts has started to worry me. Normally with rumours ... if one person knows this much detail somebody else knows something. )

Is it coming any time soon? .... NOT A CHANCE!

Am I still excited at the possibilities ..... YOU BET YA!

Harry wrote:I just heard a solid bit of info that backs up some of what the ghost man has been saying.
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I just want to get some conformation for it first .... as it is something I hadn't imagined seeing again.