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Nagashek wrote:Wait... an insect kingdom? For serious? So... another race that has no basis in fluff miraculously appearing? Inventing a book for humans and another race instead of releasing Woodelves?

Why does that seem so

Kislev/Ogres then WE

...familiar?

:ponders:

Havn't read Orcslayer have you? *cough*Tri-Kreen*cough*

Ktulhut wrote:What's the bet most of these models will be limted edition?

I'd say the odds are about 1 to 1000000 on this one. It's not SH/DF, there's no fixed cost of cardboard tiles or cloth mat, there are only plastic and finecast molds. Did GW ever limit a purely miniature release, other than a few Games Day models?

When ever GW does a new type of book there is always wild speculation about the next one to be done in the same format. A next book, like this, will never happen. GW has a long history of doing interesting releases with a lot of potential for future releases but then doing nothing... or if they do a follow up its never what people want or expect of a follow up.

I'm actually pretty excited for this book. It will be interesting to see what they give each of these mini-lists.

mrweaver wrote:My guess, assuming the 2 good/1 neutral/2 evil(ish) suggestion proves on target:
Good: Tilea and Kislev (although I would love halflings back)
Neutral: Araby
Evil: Sartosa/Pirates and the insect/aquatic fellows

If this is true... it strikes me that Tilea would have just as many pre-existing miniatures as Kislev that could be re-issued to support this. Araby has Al Muktars desert dogs and Sartosa has a few pieces as well. It will be interesting to see what GW does and how much will be reissued minis and how much will be new.

I think this contigent book sounds a lot like how I heard GW wanted to reformat dogs of war... which to me, gives credence to Tilea's presence in the book.

I'd see Sartosa as more of a neutral army, as they're sort of like mercenaries...

LunaHound wrote:Just like they created Tau for Japanese market

Every time someone repeats this completely unfounded rumor, a Sanguinary Guard loses its wings and gets thrown in a vat of Tervigon afterbirth.

Cathay would be better because unlike Nippon, GW has made some effort to actually develop what Cathay is in the Warhammer world. And because while there are a few different sources for samurai and samurai-inspired fantasy miniatures, I don't know of any good sources of Chinese-inspired fantasy figures. It would be a way to make GW unique.

The notion that a fantasy/sci-fi miniature game would not be marketed well to people in Asia unless they superficially resembled people or things from those Asian countries is a bit of an insult to the creative abilities of Asian people. And I would hope someone with that much anime in your profile wouldn't insult Asian people like that.

OT, I'm not sure that adding contingents really is enough to drag me back into the game. More modeling options is always a good thing, and maybe this would be a good use for Warhammer Forge, but I'm skeptical. In the end I expect we'll be getting expensive regiments that don't really change the game a whole lot. And really, they shouldn't change the game a whole lot, because if they did they would unbalance the game, and then everyone would HAVE to take them just to keep up. To compare to another, better strategy game: in Rome: Total War I really avoid using mercenaries except for two occasions. Cretan archers (because they're usually so much better than regular archers) and Basternae (because they look so badass). I'd rather GW went the Basternae route than the Cretan route, but in the end I expect these contingents to have the same impact as mercenaries do in R:TW- not much.

ghost21 wrote:I've seen the Tileans just get generics like duelists, pikemen & crossbows, heavy cav, poisoner wizard (has special poison lore)
Oh, there won't be an elephant for Araby that I've seen.
However camel Janissary's.... you better believe it.
Perhaps I should clarify, long barreled gunpowder cavalry.

We already have lizard-men, beast-men, rat-men and now insect-men? It seems we need more humans instead...

You won't like the other race then...

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:I'd see Sartosa as more of a neutral army, as they're sort of like mercenaries...

With the exception of Kislev and the one we know nothing about... they all have a mercenary tradition. Alignment probably just speaks to which factions have access or the degree of access.

Kroothawk wrote:

ghost21 wrote:I've seen the Tileans just get generics like duelists, pikemen & crossbows, heavy cav, poisoner wizard (has special poison lore)

I'm curious if the tileans are new models or just reissued Dogs of War models... probably some of both but it'll be interesting to see what happens with what.

I hope the Tileans are reissued DoW models, they were gorgeous in my eyes, and it seems like something GW would do, especially with their reissuing of old sculpts and models

I can see most of their Kislev and Tilean ranges returning, as well as those old Araby DoW models and a a Citidel Finecast version of the Sarsorta models you can buy now

No Elephant seems like a wasted opportunity. Especially considering the way Warhammer Fantasy has evolved in the last 2 years.

Elephants are always unlucky, unless you go for a mumakil or chaos mammoth there aren't any huge elephant models around to use

Maybe a converted Mumakil on an Arachnarok base could be converted to join the army

Anung Un Rama wrote:No Elephant seems like a wasted opportunity. Especially considering the way Warhammer Fantasy has evolved in the last 2 years.

Large plastic kit for a small release? Not likely, unless every army could take one, which might have been even more ridiculous than the Giant being a sort of a Dogs of War unit the last time around.

augustus5 wrote:I never really warmed up to the addition of Lizard Men as a WHF army. Throwing an insectoid army or contingent into the mix, when there are a couple army books that haven't been updated in much too long, would be a bad thing. Once GW shows that it can keep it's current armies current, then it would be great to add armies, but until that happens, I wish they'd focus on what they already have.

Slann were in the original books as an army, so the Lizardmen were not really an addition just an expansion on the original concept. Ogre Kingdoms was an addition which worked out alright I guess.


I dunno about bug men but I would love a return of DOW and Kislev. Araby would be a welcome addition as well. Personally I would want to see Cathy, Nippon and Ind but that will never happen.

Dice Monkey wrote:

augustus5 wrote:I never really warmed up to the addition of Lizard Men as a WHF army. Throwing an insectoid army or contingent into the mix, when there are a couple army books that haven't been updated in much too long, would be a bad thing. Once GW shows that it can keep it's current armies current, then it would be great to add armies, but until that happens, I wish they'd focus on what they already have.

Slann were in the original books as an army, so the Lizardmen were not really an addition just an expansion on the original concept. Ogre Kingdoms was an addition which worked out alright I guess.


I dunno about bug men but I would love a return of DOW and Kislev. Araby would be a welcome addition as well. Personally I would want to see Cathy, Nippon and Ind but that will never happen.

At DM: yeah, I always wanted to do the old Slann army, but never got around to it until the models dissappeared. I liked the sort of aztec/inca feel to them. I've still got the old Warhammer Armies book. A lot of the stuff in this new book remind me of the old Allied continents you could take. Ogres were in there as mercenaries, so they have some claim to being an original army. Vastly expanded now. Very similar to what FW is doing with the Chaos Dwarfs. What I'd love to see is maybe a look at doing the Norse, and Norse Dwarf Berzerkers.)

At A5 - It's never really been a case of keeping all the armies current. In fact, they used to state they didn't intend to make all the models they published rules for, but put in extra rules in case modelers wanted to make or convert those units. GW is never going to quit making new stuff to go back and fill in old army lists. It's easier to go forward and forward put the work into new models in new books. The ogre release was great with a full contingent of models right from the start. I expect the newer armies that come out will see similar full lines of models on release, or shortly after.

Dice Monkey wrote:Personally I would want to see Cathy, Nippon and Ind but that will never happen.

I wouldn't say that, until recently people thought Dogs of War would never return, Araby , Kislev and Tilea would never get their own forces and there would be no Insectmen or Fishmen, I don't think Cathay, Nippon and Ind are ruled out, especilally with the amount of people who want all three

I agree that Insect Kingdom sounds really daft, but the rumors of Illithids in the ocean aren't much better. So, we might be seeing two new societies coming up out of nowhere, along with those mentioned (if scattered) in Storms of Magic?

Yes, not new Army Books for 'em, but I think GW had a bit too much fun making the mercenaries for the Dark Eldar codex, and are now going to town for WHFB.

I would really love for Kislev and Halflings to make a return so I can field an Empire army like they used to be.

A new Ice Queen model, anyone?

Kislev and Araby could very easily tempt me into buying fantasy miniatures even if I never want to play the game, love the look of the old kislev, and Araby could easily be awesome.

Minsc wrote:I agree that Insect Kingdom sounds really daft, but the rumors of Illithids in the ocean aren't much better. So, we might be seeing two new societies coming up out of nowhere, along with those mentioned (if scattered) in Storms of Magic

Fishmen and underground race have been hinted at in Dark Elf fluff with the underground sea. They also had the Bug who controlled zombie orcs and dwarves in a really bad Gotrek and Felix book. I still would like them to flesh out races with a l;longer standing like Cathay (temple dogs were awesome basically juggernauts) and Nippon along with Kislev and Araby.

Out of curiosity, why would people assume that Araby would get an elephant? Elephants are grassland/jungle type critters, and were never, to my knowledge, used by the real world desert dwellers that araby is based on... it seems there is a fundamental confusion here between Araby and Ind and their respective real world basis for interpretations.

chaos0xomega wrote:Out of curiosity, why would people assume that Araby would get an elephant? Elephants are grassland/jungle type critters, and were never, to my knowledge, used by the real world desert dwellers that araby is based on... it seems there is a fundamental confusion here between Araby and Ind and their respective real world basis for interpretations.

When I think Araby, I think 1001 Nights, Aladdin, that kinda stuff. And they have elephants.

His Master's Voice wrote:

Ktulhut wrote:What's the bet most of these models will be limted edition?

I'd say the odds are about 1 to 1000000 on this one. It's not SH/DF, there's no fixed cost of cardboard tiles or cloth mat, there are only plastic and finecast molds. Did GW ever limit a purely miniature release, other than a few Games Day models?

When they release campaign books, they generally sell the figures for about a year before pulling them. Remember mangil manhides elves? Or lord nurglitch?

Ktulhut wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:

Ktulhut wrote:What's the bet most of these models will be limted edition?

I'd say the odds are about 1 to 1000000 on this one. It's not SH/DF, there's no fixed cost of cardboard tiles or cloth mat, there are only plastic and finecast molds. Did GW ever limit a purely miniature release, other than a few Games Day models?

When they release campaign books, they generally sell the figures for about a year before pulling them. Remember mangil manhides elves?

You mean Mengil's Manhide Manflayers, which are still sold?

Thanks for reminding me though. I need to get another box of them, they're fantastic and I want to ensure that I don't miss out on a full unit "just in case" they ever do get pulled.

Or lord nurglitch?

He was pulled? Because he looks like he's still on there, just as a Direct only model like most metals are.

Edit was to fix the link in Mengil's page, because I was silly and linked to the image rather than the page.

Minsc wrote:I agree that Insect Kingdom sounds really daft, but the rumors of Illithids in the ocean aren't much better. So, we might be seeing two new societies coming up out of nowhere, along with those mentioned (if scattered) in Storms of Magic?

Fishmen have been mentioned and hinted as attacking Dark Elf ships before while there were Insectmen said to live near the great maw I do believe, also what new races were in Storms of Magic

All in all we've seen very few of the different races and cultures in the warhammer world

chaos0xomega wrote:Out of curiosity, why would people assume that Araby would get an elephant? Elephants are grassland/jungle type critters, and were never, to my knowledge, used by the real world desert dwellers that araby is based on... it seems there is a fundamental confusion here between Araby and Ind and their respective real world basis for interpretations.

Araby has elephants in warmaster and nearly all mentions of elephants are involved with Araby in some way

I thought most Fishmen mentioned were Aquatic Lizardmen, not Fishy Fishmen ALA Deep Ones.

Guess it'd make sense to make some content for such after Dread Fleets, though. Odds of there being Mer-folk who can ally with armies that're really slow / crummy on land, but in water are terrifying?

Kanluwen wrote:

Ktulhut wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:

Ktulhut wrote:What's the bet most of these models will be limted edition?

I'd say the odds are about 1 to 1000000 on this one. It's not SH/DF, there's no fixed cost of cardboard tiles or cloth mat, there are only plastic and finecast molds. Did GW ever limit a purely miniature release, other than a few Games Day models?

When they release campaign books, they generally sell the figures for about a year before pulling them. Remember mangil manhides elves?

You mean Mengil's Manhide Manflayers, which are still sold?

Thanks for reminding me though. I need to get another box of them, they're fantastic and I want to ensure that I don't miss out on a full unit "just in case" they ever do get pulled.

Or lord nurglitch?

He was pulled? Because he looks like he's still on there, just as a Direct only model like most metals are.

Edit was to fix the link in Mengil's page, because I was silly and linked to the image rather than the page.

Oh, look at that. I hardly bother with the GW site any more but from the looks of things, you can get a fair few models that for a while, at least in australasia, were unavailable.

Murdock129 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Out of curiosity, why would people assume that Araby would get an elephant? Elephants are grassland/jungle type critters, and were never, to my knowledge, used by the real world desert dwellers that araby is based on... it seems there is a fundamental confusion here between Araby and Ind and their respective real world basis for interpretations.

Araby has elephants in warmaster and nearly all mentions of elephants are involved with Araby in some way

Yup, Araby is pretty well fleshed out already because of Warmaster

I'm ok with anything they do that expands the lore into Araby and Sartosa.

I'll also be happy for the people that were left hanging with their Kislev and DOW stuff.

Ktulhut wrote:Oh, look at that. I hardly bother with the GW site any more but from the looks of things, you can get a fair few models that for a while, at least in australasia, were unavailable.

They do add old models to the site on an irregular basis without really announcing it (occasionally they appear in the Advance Order section, some times they just appear in the Collectors/Bitz section).

kenshin620 wrote:

Murdock129 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Out of curiosity, why would people assume that Araby would get an elephant? Elephants are grassland/jungle type critters, and were never, to my knowledge, used by the real world desert dwellers that araby is based on... it seems there is a fundamental confusion here between Araby and Ind and their respective real world basis for interpretations.

Araby has elephants in warmaster and nearly all mentions of elephants are involved with Araby in some way

Yup, Araby is pretty well fleshed out already because of Warmaster

I think Elephants of this size are outside the scope of what GW's trying to accomplish with this book. These are "Contingents" not 5 army books in one. If araby were being released as an independent army I agree Elephants should be in there, but with in the context of these Contingents being smaller formations that are available to multiple armies, I think there would be severe balancing issues concerned. Its unclear how many of the models are going to be new and how much are rereleases for Tilea and Kislev... but implication is that they have alot of pre-existing models which is why they're in this... GW maybe saving its resources for Araby and the other two, but even still I doubt they'd put such a disproportionate emphasis on one by producing such a large kit as an Araby war elephant.

Besides Suleiman le Saracen, Midas the Mean, and Al Muktar's desert dogs have their been any other representation of Araby in WFB?

Oh well I wasnt aquatically saying they should make them, just pointing out that they do have elephants. I do doubt elephants would be made