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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/03 22:19:08
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Pete Haines
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Ill be brief with my response, people hate Matt Ward because of the crazy fluff he writes... if you want specific examples just google so this doesn't become a flame war.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/03 22:51:22
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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If you want fluff, buy black library. Codex fluff has always been pretty rubbish.
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Ever thought 40k would be a lot better with bears?
Codex: Bears.
NOW WITH MR BIGGLES AND HIS AMAZING FLYING CONTRAPTION |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/03 23:06:54
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Sinewy Scourge
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Dark Scipio wrote:I really dont get the Necron/BA truce hate.
I just wont make sense to club eacht other to death while a foe waits to wipe out the victor.
There is a significant difference between, "After slaughtering the tyranids, the Necrons and Blood Angels withdrew warily, each eying the other for some signs of attack as they left, each too depleated to continue the fight with practicality."
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"Each left, finding it distasteful to attack a recent ally against the tyranids."
One implies not killing the other out of necessity, the other out of respect. Space Marines DO NOT respect xenos! All else is Heresy! There are random blurbs here and there about appreciating certain minor aspects of Xeno races, such as a single mindedness and unwillingness to withdraw in the cas of orks, or the focused military mind and incorporation of technology on the part of the tau, but they're still xeno scum. That sort of respect does not grant a reprieve, it gives you an appreciation of a battle well fought. The second example (and the one Ward wrote into the BA book) is an example of Chivalry. The Space Marines are not Chivalrous. Necrons should not be (but apparantly now are) chivalrous. Chivalry has no place in the grim darkness of the far future. I think the only race that has ever been chivalrous in the fluff has been the Tau, and they have (and bloody well should) paid the Iron Price for that manner of naivete. (That's why I want the Tau to remain good guys. Having high borne notions in a world so dark is amusing and dangerous, and watching them get slapped around for trying it creates compelling story. Like Andromeda.)
His rules seem to work, and I appreciate the power levels of the armies he works on (so long as they stay consistant) but I don't want him touching anymore fluff.
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Therion wrote:6th edition lands on June 23rd!
Good news. This is the best time in the hobby. Full of promise. GW lets us down each time and we know it but secretly we're hoping that this is the edition that GW gives us a balanced game that can also be played competitively at tournaments. I'm loving it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 03:12:55
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Flashy Flashgitz
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I don't understand why some people will say that X codex makes X army look "over the top". I mean, every single codex makes their respective army look like an unstoppable death machine. That's the whole idea. Why would the Tyranid Codex tell stories of getting owned by Space Marines or the Ork Codex have a story about getting pounded by Tau? It's shameless self-promoting because it's THEIR book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 03:29:32
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Shepherd
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You can promote without sayin you invented the internet, punched out chuck norris and ate suns with ur taco bell cause the sauce wasn't hot enough.
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The enemy of my enemy is a bastard so lets kill him too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 04:31:26
Subject: Re:Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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A good book doesn't look need to self promte everything.. Lets look at Codex Orks. Yes, it does talk about powerful orks like Thraka and the sneaky Snikrot, but we also have stories about a warboss who's waagh went through the warp and back in time before his waaagh started and he killed his past self to get two of his favorite gun. A warboss who Waaagh!ed into the eye of the warp to pick a fight with daemon now he and his boys are stuck on a daemon planet in a groundhog day loop to fight and get kille deach day and is having a blast.. A freeboota with armor made out of the kicked out gold teeth of other freebootaz and carrying around a weapon that shoots radioactive bullets and could very well kill him. even Thraka's claim to fame was just having the biggest Waaagh! that evenetually lost and fighting with a human, not some super powered monster , a normal human. A good story does not need the hero to win. There's a reason why Superman is considered a boring hero: there's no challange
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 04:35:20
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Im sorry, but the grey knight codex says the gk are immune to choas. Not resistant, but immune. Big difference there. If you are immune there is no need to kill some sisters for there blood.
And for the Dark eldar, space wolves, and tyrinids ive never read those codexes, so i have no say. I focus on the imperial guard with some straying into space marines. I find the ig codex fluff fitting for the ig.
If matt ward wrote the next ig codex like he does the space marines it would be stories of, creed going to tzeeches maze and solving it in a minute, then marbo, who has been following creed jumps out and kills tzeech. The whole time krell and bastonne where sacrificing sister so there blood would lubercate the leman russes. The pdf tried to stop them but where wipe out to the man.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 04:56:27
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Anyone who thinks that the Grey Knight rules are reasonable needs to reevaluate what should be the marquee matchup from the book.
A competent daemon player with the same number of points as a competent grey knight player is at such a significant disadvantage that playing the game is largely a waste of time. I've played daemons since the book came out, and have won tournaments with them, and yet, I have been unable to get a single win against the new grey knights. It's just ridiculous.
This should be an epic battle. Instead, the grey knights have so many extra advantages against daemons that it's just a slaughter. And while Grey Knights should be able to fight daemons in the fluff, as a game, both players should be on somewhat even footing or it's not worth playing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 05:25:07
Subject: Re:Why Hate Matt Ward?
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I'd just like to point, before anyone goes "but grey knights are suppose to beat daemons", that the Daemonhunter book actually had special rules to give chaos/daemon lists extra units to balance out the grey knight's advantage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 08:43:01
Subject: Re:Why Hate Matt Ward?
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I've considered the WH40K universe a personal friend since 1989, and have enjoyed watching it grow and prosper. It is such a rich, varied place of endless possibilities, and I cannot get enough. I can even pinpoint the day I truly fell in love with it.
Andy Chambers wrote a series of rules for White Dwarf 126 (I think it might have been this work that got him a job in the company) covering Knights and Exodite Knights for the old Adeptus Titanicus system, and they were beautiful. I didn't even play the system, but I remember I read those rules again and again just for the 'fluff'. I heartily recommend people find those rules to see what the possibilities are, because Matt Ward obviously hasn't and doesn't seem to respect a single thing that's gone before.
He seems to take a wilful pleasure in stomping through a universe that has been lovingly created over the last 3 decades, tearing out bits that he doesn't like, and forcing in bits that he thinks should be in there. And it's not even subtle, it's just plain ridiculous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 09:39:36
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Oberleutnant
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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Im sorry, but the grey knight codex says the gk are immune to choas. Not resistant, but immune. Big difference there. If you are immune there is no need to kill some sisters for there blood.
Where does it say they are immune?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 14:12:30
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Im sorry, but the grey knight codex says the gk are immune to choas. Not resistant, but immune. Big difference there. If you are immune there is no need to kill some sisters for there blood.
It says they're immune to the temptation of Chaos. They can't be corrupted in the moral sense, as in a Grey Knight "turning Chaos". They can still be corrupted in a physical sense, as in being susceptible to particularly powerful Daemonic powers.
A Daemon which, when it has just awoken, can corrupt an entire planet's worth of Sisters of Battle qualifies under that. The blood of the Sisters was used alongside of various unguents and oils that the Grey Knights and the Ordo Malleus at large use to permanently destroy or banish particularly powerful Daemons to create an extra layer of wards on the Grey Knights so they could operate in that environment.
It's a return to the older days of Grey Knights, where there's a very clear "Needs must when the Devil drives" motivation going on. Most notable was the destruction of pilgrim vessels because of a possible Daemonic possession on one.
And for the Dark eldar, space wolves, and tyranids ive never read those codexes, so i have no say. I focus on the imperial guard with some straying into space marines. I find the ig codex fluff fitting for the ig.
Then I think you're not really qualified to be talking about how "bad Ward's fluff is". There's very little within Dark Eldar which I personally find to be unacceptable, but Space Wolves and Tyranids has some ridiculous stuff right up there with "Blood Talons and Bloodstrike Missiles". From Arjac Rockfist, a "towering Terminator" with a magical hammer which has a miniaturized teleportation field returning it to his hand after he's thrown it, to Canis Wolfborn, a wolf-riding Space Wolf who was raised by wolves, and finally to the Swarmlord, a tactical genius Tyranid who singlehandedly beat down Marneus Calgar in the midst of the Tyrannic Wars which is a pretty damn clear retcon.
If matt ward wrote the next ig codex like he does the space marines it would be stories of, creed going to tzeeches maze and solving it in a minute, then marbo, who has been following creed jumps out and kills tzeech. The whole time krell and bastonne where sacrificing sister so there blood would lubercate the leman russes. The pdf tried to stop them but where wipe out to the man.
I don't think you could have made a post which made less sense if you tried.
Cramming memes into a post does not make it worth reading, and you definitely negated any point you were trying to make by doing so.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 14:32:56
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
West Midlands (UK)
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Mentlegen324 wrote:
How is the killing sisters like the original GK fluff though?
You mean how is killing sisters like the original Space Wolves fluff (and for reasons far more selfish and ignoble too)?
Hate Ward if you like for killing Sisters. But than you should at least acknowledge that other 5th Edition authors added the very same elements to their book, earlier, more hamfisted and far less justification. If not, we're back to the blatant hypocrisy of selectivity that seems to be the one common feature uniting the Ward-hater-crowd.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 14:33:44
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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To be fair, the Wolves have long been at odds with the Ecclesiarchy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 14:35:06
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
West Midlands (UK)
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Kanluwen wrote:To be fair, the Wolves have long been at odds with the Ecclesiarchy.
To be fair, the Grey Knights have long been about "the ends justify just about any and all means".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 14:37:39
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I'm quite aware of that...as one might tell by the fact that I've been saying that for quite awhile.
Biggest problem with Ward is that he can come up with concepts and themes, but just cannot either explain them well enough to whomever is writing the fluff pieces or write enough to explain them in a way he sees fit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 14:42:56
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
West Midlands (UK)
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Kanluwen wrote:Biggest problem with Ward is that he can come up with concepts and themes, but just cannot either explain them well enough to whomever is writing the fluff pieces or write enough to explain them in a way he sees fit.
At least he comes up with concepts and themes. More than can be said about the other authors like Phil Kelly who seem to be flailing about blindly with random snippets that might have been intended to appeal to younger video-game audiences such as newly womanizing Space Wolves' Grand Theft Thunderhawk, Wolf-riders, Loony-toon Dark Elves throwing Black-holes in a box like Bugs Bunny or turning Mandrakes into World-of-Warcraft Daemonhunter-clones, yet always grate in the most painful ways with established 40k fluff as both concept and as themes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 15:20:22
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Zweischneid wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Biggest problem with Ward is that he can come up with concepts and themes, but just cannot either explain them well enough to whomever is writing the fluff pieces or write enough to explain them in a way he sees fit.
At least he comes up with concepts and themes. More than can be said about the other authors like Phil Kelly who seem to be flailing about blindly with random snippets that might have been intended to appeal to younger video-game audiences.
Have you looked at Space Marines at all? Have you played the game Space Marine? Last time I checked, THQ didn't publish a 40K game exclusive to Dark Eldar. That aside, Space Marines are the key stone to selling to younger 'video-game' audiences moreso than any other race, just look at the Six Codex' they have.
I'm not a fan of Ward. If that automatically counts me as a 'Ward Hater' fine. But every book he writes it seems he bubble wraps the Imperium from certain future demise. I don't know what's more disappointing; Tigerius fighting the gestalt Hive Mind and living or the Void Dragon 'disappearing' from Mars.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 15:29:44
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
West Midlands (UK)
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KplKeegan wrote:
Have you looked at Space Marines at all? Have you played the game Space Marine? Last time I checked, THQ didn't publish a 40K game exclusive to Dark Eldar. That aside, Space Marines are the key stone to selling to younger 'video-game' audiences moreso than any other race, just look at the Six Codex' they have.
I'm not a fan of Ward. If that automatically counts me as a 'Ward Hater' fine. But every book he writes it seems he bubble wraps the Imperium from certain future demise. I don't know what's more disappointing; Tigerius fighting the gestalt Hive Mind and living or the Void Dragon 'disappearing' from Mars.
1. I have not played the video-game Space Marine. Was it programmed by Mat Ward? What bearing does it have on this argument?
2. Ultramarines traditionally face off against Tyranids. I see no issue there. Perhaps it is you who wants to "bubble wrap" your Tyranids in infantile fantasies of indominability if you decry any and all infringment of their omnipotence? Tell you what "unbeatable/uncommunicative" Tyranids make for very, very, very, very boring campaign-play.
3. All that crappy "the C'Tan did it" was a travesty of a ret-con with the earlier Necron Codex that most certainly turned 40K up-side down in ways that were unwanted and unneeded. Be glad its gone and that Ward found a way to keep Necrons and C'Tan in the game and in the universe in ways that are not only infinitly more interesting, but, unlike the old Cron Codex, also more compatible and true to the original 40K fluff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 15:32:27
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Pete Haines
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Dark Scipio wrote:ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Im sorry, but the grey knight codex says the gk are immune to choas. Not resistant, but immune. Big difference there. If you are immune there is no need to kill some sisters for there blood.
Where does it say they are immune?
Practically every other page...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 16:27:37
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Remulus wrote:
Practically every other page...
Than you wouldn't mind quoting an example?
The only reference I found was on the introduction page 5 where it says that Grey Knights " an army of unfaltering and incorruptable warriors" because they are " so pure of purpose as to be utterly beyond temptation".
They aren't "immune" (still cannot find that word in the actual Codex) not because of some magic juice they drink every morning. They have proven "immune" to this day because they have preserved their ultimate rigour of purpose and "ends justify the means", which may include slaughtering Sisters if that's what it takes.
If there are references in the Codex to their "incorruptability", it is the result of their drastic form of dedication of purpose as witnessed by the Sister-episode, not a pre-set condition independent of their actions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 17:13:38
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Okay, suppose they did need to annoint their armor with the blood of the sisters. Either, a they painted themselves with it in a way that would please khorne. Or b, they slaughtered the sisters just to dabble the blood on, resulting in senseless, needless slaughter that would please khorne. Either way, instead of sounding do at all means, its more of blood for the blood god.
And kan, the post about memes was written in the style of ward. Completely over the top, and made no sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 18:07:34
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Zweischneid wrote:KplKeegan wrote:
Have you looked at Space Marines at all? Have you played the game Space Marine? Last time I checked, THQ didn't publish a 40K game exclusive to Dark Eldar. That aside, Space Marines are the key stone to selling to younger 'video-game' audiences moreso than any other race, just look at the Six Codex' they have.
I'm not a fan of Ward. If that automatically counts me as a 'Ward Hater' fine. But every book he writes it seems he bubble wraps the Imperium from certain future demise. I don't know what's more disappointing; Tigerius fighting the gestalt Hive Mind and living or the Void Dragon 'disappearing' from Mars.
1. I have not played the video-game Space Marine. Was it programmed by Mat Ward? What bearing does it have on this argument?
2. Ultramarines traditionally face off against Tyranids. I see no issue there. Perhaps it is you who wants to "bubble wrap" your Tyranids in infantile fantasies of indominability if you decry any and all infringment of their omnipotence? Tell you what "unbeatable/uncommunicative" Tyranids make for very, very, very, very boring campaign-play.
3. All that crappy "the C'Tan did it" was a travesty of a ret-con with the earlier Necron Codex that most certainly turned 40K up-side down in ways that were unwanted and unneeded. Be glad its gone and that Ward found a way to keep Necrons and C'Tan in the game and in the universe in ways that are not only infinitly more interesting, but, unlike the old Cron Codex, also more compatible and true to the original 40K fluff.
1. You say Phil Kelly is trying to appeal to younger video-game audiences when ignoring the fact the Matt Ward writes the Codicies for a 40K race that actually has several video games about them, so it's rather moot to try and argue that.
2. I didn't say unbeatable. Leap to conclusions please. Wow. I'm just saying Tigurius survivng the gestalt Hive Mind and living is about as credible and fancifal as Draigo carving a name into a Daemon Primarch.
3. As long as there are no direct threats to Terra or Mars, heaven forbid it, literally.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 18:37:04
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Okay, suppose they did need to annoint their armor with the blood of the sisters. Either, a they painted themselves with it in a way that would please khorne. Or b, they slaughtered the sisters just to dabble the blood on, resulting in senseless, needless slaughter that would please khorne. Either way, instead of sounding do at all means, its more of blood for the blood god.
Or C) You're making a ridiculous assumption.
"Anoint" has four meanings, as a verb when used with an object (as it was in this particular text).
1) To rub or sprinkle on; apply an unguent, ointment, or oily liquid to.
2) To smear with any liquid.
3) To consecrate or make sacred in a ceremony that includes the token applying of oil to.
4) To dedicate to the service of God.
Now, here's where I'm using some interpretation.What is specifically noted in the passage is that they use the blood of the Sisters who actually resisted the corrupting effects of the Bloodtide itself. In a lot of heroic mythology, there comes a point where the heroes have to make a sacrifice to proceed in their heroic journeys. In some cases, they use the blood of a virgin or of one pure in heart.
You dig the beat I'm laying down here? This is not anything new, it's a very traditional piece of mythology.
Whether or not Ward(or whoever actually wrote the piece) utilized it well is up for debate.
And kan, the post about memes was written in the style of ward. Completely over the top, and made no sense.
Except even then, Ward's stuff does make sense when you read it and don't pay attention to 4chan buffoonery. It's only when you give the overreactionist brigade any mind that you start seeing that as his "style".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 18:40:38
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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I have read the draigo fluff. It is completely over the top and makes no sense. And i dont frequent 4chan, i talk to other people at my flgs and even the self proclaim ward fanboy says its over the top and makes no sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 18:42:01
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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KplKeegan wrote:
1. You say Phil Kelly is trying to appeal to younger video-game audiences when ignoring the fact the Matt Ward writes the Codicies for a 40K race that actually has several video games about them, so it's rather moot to try and argue that.
So he wrote the Tau codex?
I mean, they had Fire Warrior!
The Tyranids and Blood Angels had the Space Hulk game.
Many races have featured in the Dawn of War games, I guess he wrote every single one of those codices right?
2. I didn't say unbeatable. Leap to conclusions please. Wow. I'm just saying Tigurius survivng the gestalt Hive Mind and living is about as credible and fancifal as Draigo carving a name into a Daemon Primarch.
Tigurius "surviving the gestalt Hive Mind" has been in since Graham McNeill wrote the previous C: SM. That's kind of Tigurius' whole deal. He's supposedly a pretty damn big deal in terms of being a Psyker, what with him being the Chief Librarian for the Ultramarines and all.
3. As long as there are no direct threats to Terra or Mars, heaven forbid it, literally.
What does this have to do with anything? Oh, you mean the "retcon" of C'Tan being Shards?
Good freaking riddance. For all the whining about Draigo, he still has nothing on The Deceiver. Automatically Appended Next Post: ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:I have read the draigo fluff. It is completely over the top and makes no sense.
Makes more sense than a quarter of the old Necron book did.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 18:44:31
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Don't forget Mephiston lol Drop a building on a blood angel and he becomes a monstah!
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The enemy of my enemy is a bastard so lets kill him too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 18:47:50
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See the Deceiver is a literal god. It should be able to do crazy stuff. Draigo is a genetically modified human, a mere mortal. He shouldnt be able to do any of the things he does in the warp. I think it makes more sense if you stop looking at draigo as an uncorruptable hero, and more as a deliousional mortal plaything of the dark gods. Then it does make sense how he survives in the warp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 18:51:58
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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Draigo wrote:Don't forget Mephiston lol Drop a building on a blood angel and he becomes a monstah!
Old fluff, same as Tycho's.
ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:See the Deceiver is a literal god. It should be able to do crazy stuff.
The Deceiver is a god to us.
So are the Adeptus Astartes. And the Primarchs. What's your point?
Draigo is a genetically modified human, a mere mortal. He shouldn't be able to do any of the things he does in the warp.
Says who? The Warp is a place with no rules.
I think it makes more sense if you stop looking at Draigo as an uncorruptible hero, and more as a delusional mortal plaything of the dark gods. Then it does make sense how he survives in the warp.
The whole reason he's a "plaything" of the Dark Gods is because he's immune to their touch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/04 20:54:10
Subject: Why Hate Matt Ward?
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Ok I reread the fluff section and no where does it say theyre immune to chaos. It basically says they are immune to turning to chaos due to their intense indoctrination. Meaning they won't betray mankind but that is no different to guys like suicide bombers or people with intense faith. I mean their minds are rewritten so that isn't that outlandish. Now some of the actions taken by various heroes like Draigo, Mephiston, Tigerious etc are pretty out there.. Kinda reminds me of an anime or DC comic but eh.. Can't get too worked up over "realsm" considering they live in a world with space elves, machine art collectors, mech warrior etc lol
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The enemy of my enemy is a bastard so lets kill him too.
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