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**Jstncloud**

Ratius wrote:
but the shop staff can bring cripplingly shy young teenagers out of their shell with the enthus-iasm of a shared world.

What a beautiful line.
Im not sure its true in all cases but the sentiment behind it is terrific.
Kudos.

I'd have to agree, and this is why I think that more hobby shops should be more passionate. Our FLGS in my area acts like he could care less and does nothing to promote anything the only thing he does do is provide 'one' 4x8 table for 'everyone' (Card Games, Heroclix, Warhammer) to use, and that is obviously not enough for those games, and he has space, he just does not care about the gaming.

Now being able to walk into a shop, talk with the staff/owner about the games, get inspired, try something new, and feel welcomed/comfortable, that to me is what is appealing about getting out of the house to be social with this hobby.

**Dysartes**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
AustonT wrote:
I've seen maybe a handful of women playing 40k, of them maybe one of them was attractive enough to feth...once, and never call.

Really. Could we have less of this kind of figurative dick-waving. Some of us actually balk at being associated with sophomoric bullcrap masquerading as "humor". It's sexist, lowbrow and brings wargaming as a hobby into disrepute.

Cue the standing ovation for Agamemnon2, please...

mattyrm wrote: Hey I'm not a squaddie... Comparing Royal Marine Commandos to Squaddies is like comparing Pigeons to Peregrine Falcons!

So, following you comparison as presented, RMCs are pigeons?

**mattyrm**

Dysartes wrote:

mattyrm wrote: Hey I'm not a squaddie... Comparing Royal Marine Commandos to Squaddies is like comparing Pigeons to Peregrine Falcons!

So, following you comparison as presented, RMCs are pigeons?

Well caught...

You know what I meant!

**notprop**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
AustonT wrote:
I've seen maybe a handful of women playing 40k, of them maybe one of them was attractive enough to feth...once, and never call.

Really. Could we have less of this kind of figurative dick-waving. Some of us actually balk at being associated with sophomoric bullcrap masquerading as "humor". It's sexist, lowbrow and brings wargaming as a hobby into disrepute.

I'm here! Did somebody say lowbrow?

Lighten up Agee ffs.

Anyway overall I'm liking the reaction to this quite positive article and the responses may well see some more I depth reporting on GW practice, which would be enlightening.

To those detractors that commented there I found the real nerds today, three blokes on camp chairs outside of the Apple store on Regents Street. They've been there for days and will be there for a few more. I hope it doesn't rain (too much!).

**mattyrm**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Really. Could we have less of this kind of figurative dick-waving. Some of us actually balk at being associated with sophomoric bullcrap masquerading as "humor". It's sexist, lowbrow and brings wargaming as a hobby into disrepute.

Ah come on.. it's sexist obviously, and it's sometimes low brow, but there's no need to get your knickers in a twist over it. Carry on Films are sexist and lowbrow, but they still get the occasional chuckle. You don't have to be offended by everything. If you find crude sexist humour unfunny, feel free not to laugh.

And as for this bit...

Agamemnon2 wrote:.. brings wargaming as a hobby into disrepute.

Uuh?

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Edit, notprop beat me to the punch.

**Howard A Treesong**

I've known quite a few attractive female gamers. Not usually in GW though, but Magic and D&D and other games certainly.

I'd like to know how many making comments about the unattractive sorts of girls that apparently go to GW currently have or have ever had a serious relationship. It's my observation that people who make a point of saying things like "I'd do her, but only once, hurr hurr" probably feel they have something to prove because they spend most of their time in their own company.

**LooT**

I don't often go to GW (although thats not out of choice, I'll be fethed if I'm going to spend all of my money on £10 bus fare for an hour trip instead of spending it on five minutes in a GW buying my precious man dollies), but the girls and 'wimmin' that I see in there are not usually unattractive, and most recently, one that I saw was practically jumping with glee at her Tyranid purchases! Outnumbered by men my ass... they got enough enthusiasm for 20 of us... chaps, we're outnumbered

**MightyGodzilla**

mattyrm wrote:
Dysartes wrote:

mattyrm wrote: Hey I'm not a squaddie... Comparing Royal Marine Commandos to Squaddies is like comparing Pigeons to Peregrine Falcons!

So, following you comparison as presented, RMCs are pigeons?

Well caught...

You know what I meant!

Give him 5 or 6 years and he'll be Jack Bauer calibre.....or is it Bond? Matty Bond.

**AustonT**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
AustonT wrote:
I've seen maybe a handful of women playing 40k, of them maybe one of them was attractive enough to feth...once, and never call.

Really. Could we have less of this kind of figurative dick-waving. Some of us actually balk at being associated with sophomoric bullcrap masquerading as "humor". It's sexist, lowbrow and brings wargaming as a hobby into disrepute.

Penis envy, even figuratively, is an ugly quality. Also you seem to think sexist and lowbrow are insults, to whit I respond:
/dick wave.

Edit: mild content change.

**jbunny**

mattyrm wrote: I have only met one girl in a GW, and she had teeth like a witch doctors necklace.

I thought that is how all British peoples teeth looked.

**LooT**

jbunny wrote:
mattyrm wrote: I have only met one girl in a GW, and she had teeth like a witch doctors necklace.

I thought that is how all British peoples teeth looked.

OOOOOOOHHHH NO YOU DIDN'T!!!

Darn ye Americans and your superior dental care......

**MeanGreenStompa**

Lord of Timbraxia wrote:
jbunny wrote:
mattyrm wrote: I have only met one girl in a GW, and she had teeth like a witch doctors necklace.

I thought that is how all British peoples teeth looked.

OOOOOOOHHHH NO YOU DIDN'T!!!

Darn ye Americans and your superior dental care......

Having now worked in US retail for the past year and meeting the great American public on a day to day basis... This is a massive lie. Brits, with our 'evil socialist' national healthcare dental access for all, have dramatically better dentistry...

**Rayvon**

I have a freind that claims alot of American film and TV stars actually have their teeth bleached white by a laser machine, is this true ?
I always wonder as nearly everyone i know has good teeth and none of them are shiny white, ts just not natural !

**notprop**

And death Panels, don't forget our world class free at the point of use death panels.

All paid for by the state - gratis. Suckers!

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Rayvon wrote:I have a freind that claims alot of American film and TV stars actually have their teeth bleached white by a laser machine, is this true ?
I always wonder as nearly everyone i know has good teeth and none of them are shiny white, ts just not natural !

You can get that done at the Bluewater and Lakeside shopping centres near me.

The death panels won't sign off on that though, oh no. This socialism has its drawbacks, man we're suckers!

That said my nashers are said to be the equal of Pamela Anderson, so swings and roundabouts really.

**Hyd**

The title of the first article annoyed me at first, but it's clearly tongue-in-cheek, not demeaning. It's a good descriptive paper for those non familiar with the matter, which can only be a good thing. That's the kind of journalism standards I know I can expect from dem Brits

I liked the column in p.3 as well. Escapism is a healthy way to cope with pressure and dissatisfaction if done moderately*, and this particular brand helps connect people. I also think numbers and coins help give the subject credibility. In the same vein, I sure was suprised to see a special report on videogames in The Economist (tell ya, I like dem tea drinkers

), but when you see the digits, it's impressive.

*Never forget, the enemy is excess. Beware of She Who Thirsts !

**KamikazeCanuck**

I didn't really get anything condescending from the article. In fact I was impressed by her correct identifications of the factions (man-sized anthropomorphic rats) made me laugh.

**MightyGodzilla**

Rayvon wrote:I have a freind that claims alot of American film and TV stars actually have their teeth bleached white by a laser machine, is this true ?
I always wonder as nearly everyone i know has good teeth and none of them are shiny white, ts just not natural !

Lol, you don't bleach your teeth with a laser. But yeah, you can go to the dentists office for a bleach treatment or do it at home with a kit. Some people I know use an airbrush and white paint. But firing a laser into your pie hole.....that ain't safe!

**Centurionpainting**

Eiríkr wrote:I sincerely wish that the BBC had taken their cameras in store, perhaps. They chose some rather poorly painted models, in some chap's back room. Alas! The awesomeness that could have been created were the BBC readership shown Marines ripping apart Tyranids in 'Eavy Metal standards!

Agreed. That guy spoke for all of us basically; at least hire someone to paint your stuff to a decent standard.

**notprop**

To be fair I'm guessing when someone from the BBC says "hey can I put you/your army on the BBC?" you don't say "nah I'm still carrying a bit of holiday weight and my best army is at the menders".

You say "defo, now will this be the main news at 9 or 10pm on BBC1 as I have to call my mum to record it. What do you mean the Internet?"

**Albatross**

mattyrm wrote: I like how the UK still makes up for 30% of all sales.

Our nation is still king of the nerd, and I think that is a good thing rather than a bad. I prefer the company of table top gamers to football hooligans anyway.

I prefer hooligans, which is why I mainly wargame with you!

**Hyd**

MightyGodzilla wrote:Lol, you don't bleach your teeth with a laser. But yeah, you can go to the dentists office for a bleach treatment or do it at home with a kit. Some people I know use an airbrush and white paint. But firing a laser into your pie hole.....that ain't safe!

Wait, you don't use lasers, but paint is a-ok ?

**notprop**

I think they actually use UV light, same as the sun bleaches paint/wood.

As I say I look like Pammy when I'm happy, or so I'm told.

**MightyGodzilla**

Lol, I was just joking about the white paint!!!

**reds8n**

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-&-entertainment/girls-celebrate-anniversary-of-warhammer-40,000-201203145006/

WOMEN are celebrating the science fiction-themed tabletop wargame that has been the default female entertainment of the last 25 years.

Created in 1987, Warhammer 40,000's mixture of realistic turns-based strategy gaming and a dystopian sci-fi universe was an instant hit with millions of women, many of whom became self-confessed obsessives.

Teacher Emma Bradford, who was excitedly buying 25th anniversary limited edition lead figures at her local Games Workshop, said: “A lot of people say this, but there's something about Warhammer games that just resonates with my vagina.

"I play with an Imperial Guard army, my best friend Mandy uses Tyranids who, as all ladies know, are a race of quasi-reptilian aliens whose voracious appetite for bio-mass has propelled them into conflict with the Imperium.

"We get together for a skirmish every Wednesday. Once in a while we get all the girls together for a major campaign which takes up to four days which is just so much fun.

"Afterwards we like to post the statistics on the internet."

Personal trainer Nikki Hollis said: "Girls loving Warhammer 40K is such a cliché, but like many stereotypes there's a large element of truth.

"The best thing about 'the hobby', as we women refer to it, is painting the little lead figures, or 'miniatures' as they're properly called.

"I love doing that classic girl thing of being of putting on pyjamas, getting under a load of duvets and painting intricate banners on a Chaos Eldar battalion."

She added: "War gaming drives my boyfriend nuts, he just wants to talk about his emotions and drink hot chocolate."

Warhammer 40,000 spin-offs includes a successful series of novels by sci-fi-strategy-chick-lit author Helen Fielding about a neurotic young space marine called Nicola and a range of organic face creams named after different types of space weaponry.

**Ratius**

Spoiler:

**thenoobbomb**

reds8n wrote:http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-&-entertainment/girls-celebrate-anniversary-of-warhammer-40,000-201203145006/

WOMEN are celebrating the science fiction-themed tabletop wargame that has been the default female entertainment of the last 25 years.

Created in 1987, Warhammer 40,000's mixture of realistic turns-based strategy gaming and a dystopian sci-fi universe was an instant hit with millions of women, many of whom became self-confessed obsessives.

Teacher Emma Bradford, who was excitedly buying 25th anniversary limited edition lead figures at her local Games Workshop, said: “A lot of people say this, but there's something about Warhammer games that just resonates with my vagina.
.

Oh my god.
*runs in terror away*

**Graphite**

The Daily Mash has previously reported on the serious effects that last summer's riots and looting had on several GWs...

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/looters-return-stuff-to-games-workshop-201108124191/

**Ratius**

That is absolutely brilliant stuff

**Velour_Fog**

reds8n wrote:http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-&-entertainment/girls-celebrate-anniversary-of-warhammer-40,000-201203145006/

Teacher Emma Bradford, who was excitedly buying 25th anniversary limited edition lead figures at her local Games Workshop...

If only...

**Electro**

Warhammer 40,000 spin-offs includes a successful series of novels by sci-fi-strategy-chick-lit author Helen Fielding about a neurotic young space marine called Nicola and a range of organic face creams named after different types of space weaponry.

To be fair the addition of the threat of a bolter round to the face for the male lead would probably make most "chick flicks" allot better. I mean, who hasn't thought that the emperors wrath unleashed on Hugh Grant in the middle of Notting Hill, or a Necron Tomb opening up in the middle of Bridget Jones would have been a masive improvement.