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margomoh wrote:Eldar guardians.

I'd disagree with that. There's actually a pretty effective Footdar build which uses a lot of Guardians. Out of it, yeah they can be pretty bad, but I wouldn't say that they are the worst.

Rampage wrote:To be honest I don't think that Blood Claws are awesomely bad. I just think that they are overshadowed by Grey Hunters, which are brilliant, so when you compare the two, of course they are going to look bad.

The difference between Rippers and Scarabs is that Scarabs eat tanks.

And that scarabs don't eat themselves if they get too far away from a certain unit type.
That and Scarabs are FA instead of Troop - which actually benefits Rippers... Except they still can't score.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:And fearless scouting bikers...

But, by default, we only have Tacs as scoring units.

At least you got options hehe, hard to kill termies and fast scoring bike, imagine BT only ever have crusader squad our version of the tac's as scoring.
But forgeworld has made the Storm eagle! now they can atleast move around faster.

On another note, If eldar is in the box. I know one of my friends will likely clap his 2 fingers together.

Why is it never 2 Xeno's in a box, dont they ever fight other then space marines.

rigeld2 wrote:And that scarabs don't eat themselves if they get too far away from a certain unit type.

Didn't know that, that's kind of a strange rule. I have the Tyranid Codex, maybe I should read it some time.

Rippers. I don't know the other codexes like I do the Tyranid and Necrons, but rippers are awful. They are the only unit in the Nid codex I've never even considered using.

IF they were scoring, and IF they didn't lose wounds if out of synapse, I'd use them like I do termagants, for holding objectives, screening, and/or tarpitting. I mean, for the rest of you non-Tyranid players, would you use a troop choice that didn't score and had to remain within 12 inches of another specialized unit or it commits suicide?

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Ripper Swarms

Not necessarily bad, but outclassed:
-Blood Angels Tac Marines
-Blood Claws

Ummm...what exactly causes blood angels tac marines to be outclassed, other than the fact that they are "only" basic tactical space marines? I mean basic tactical marines still have better stats, armor and weapon options that many other armies' elite troops. Blood claws are the same. What exactly is wrong with them? A blood angels army filled with tactical marines would be no worse off than a basic space marine army, which is to say they'd be pretty well off for sure.

Ripper swarms have tons of issues against them as troops. Fire warriors have neat guns, but that doesn't make up for their high price. I would really rather have an army of IG conscripts than Fire warriors. When I built my tyranid army I had a squad of rippers, but only because I the minis came with everything else I bought. I never actually used them, though.

Skriker

Rampage wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:And that scarabs don't eat themselves if they get too far away from a certain unit type.

Didn't know that, that's kind of a strange rule. I have the Tyranid Codex, maybe I should read it some time.

If they fail the IB test (with a LD of 5...) they take a wound for every point they fail by.

Yeah.

My opinions on this:

Guardians are bad, but I field mine in big emboldened blocks with Doom and Guide on standby which alone means they can stop many infantry squads dead in their tracks, so not the worst, they have uses.

Fire Warriors are meh, pricey and terrible in CC but have a solid gun and access to markerlight hits to boost accuracy and reduce enemy cover saves in a pinch which means they can suddenly put out a hell of a volley against infantry.

Rippers are terrible, they eat themselves, *need* synapse to even vaguely function cost as much as a fire warrior and have no weapons and can't score. These guys get my vote for the worst troops crown, they are barely worth it when you get them for free from the Parasite, let alone pay points for them.

Someone earlier in the thread asked why AI firepower is underrated? Because lots of people seem to assume every game of 40k takes place against armies completely comprised of marines in Razorbacks, which it of course, does not...

Dunklezahn wrote:Guardians are bad, but I field mine in big emboldened blocks with Doom and Guide on standby which alone means they can stop many infantry squads dead in their tracks, so not the worst, they have uses.

Yep. What I like to do is take a couple of pretty large squads of guardians, then put Warlocks with conceal with them. Then take the Avatar and Eldrad as the HQs. Keep the Avatar nearby to make them fearless and keep using Eldrad to Fortune them, giving them something which is slightly better than a 4+ cover save. You can then stick Eldrad in a squad of Harlequins with a Shadowseer to give you a nice counter assault element for if the Guardians get charged and also to stop Eldrad from being shot at.

I don't rank Guardians as the worst troop choice out there, I'm inclined to agree on the Rippers for that one. As far as Firewarriors are concerned, though, I'd take them any time over the gak that Guardians are.

A Guardian's only saving grace is the EML or more preferably Scatter Laser they can take. There is no point discussing their armament outside of the heavy weapon.

There are footdar builds that has Guardians as bubblewrap, yes, but this is more a case of the other Eldar troop choices being worse. Let's be honest, though, Conscripts (which have been mentioned in this thread) would be a much better unit for this.

Rippers work well in hanging back and acting as an emergency reserve to tarpit things like termies trying to assault zoanthropes. They are not by any means a good unit though!

I use a lot of guardians but only ever in defence. They sit on objectives and defend them. Once my mate drove up his LR with a squad of chaos termies in it. They dropped the assault ramp and went at it. They killed a few guardians but not enough to do too much. Next turn the guardians killed all 5 termies and to add insult to injury he had left his LR in assault range of my wraithlord who promptly stove it in. All good fun and it saved a whole flank in the battle which was in danger of complete collapse!

Since you have to take a platoon to unlock conscripts, you may as well just pay the 1 estra ppm to access the vastly superior guardsman, however conscripts are in no way the worst troops. I vote rippers. Troops that cant score? Why?

How about now since 6th has come out...? ? ?

Probably Kroot.

Rippers, by far Rippers.

Definately rippers. Although really a new thread should have been made in regards to 6th rather than massively necro'ing this one