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We do but you are allowed to offset your liabilities against your assets before calculating the taxable amount.

It still doesn't make sense though, unless they're playing some sort of game where they try and make some set amount of profit for some reason.

I am more interested in seeing plastic Wraith Guard. I've been wanting to start an Iyanden army since about 98 and the only thing holding me back was the lack of plastic troops.

Other stuff sounds interesting too.

the_dunner wrote:I don't know what UK tax law is like, but in the US a company would never keep product in its warehouse for over a year without releasing it. In the US, a company must pay taxes on their saleable assets at the end of every business year. Those taxes can be substantial (~20% of the claimed value). That's in addition to any other warehousing costs.

This is one of the primary motivations for the adoption of "just in time" inventorying practices.

That's also why companies often have major clearance sales at a regular point in the calendar year -- reducing their inventory so that they don't have to pay taxes on it.

Of course, if UK law doesn't have a tax like this, the point is moot.

Not true for every business. For the most part, the company has sunk costs into producing these miniatures. If you hold on to them you need to make a couple of choices- hold or sell. If you sell at a discount, you convert the inventory to cash and can reinvest elsewhere. If you hold on to the inventory, you have to pray for a warehouse space, utilities, equipment to move the inventory around, staffing, power, water, and your funds are locked up until the product sells. You may pay a small tax if you make it manufacture it but retailers don't have that problem. They have annual sales at certain times of the year not to reduce inventory but to clear out poor selling items and replace them with stuff that does sell.

Just in time is so you don't have to incur the warehousing costs or ramp up your warehouse costs.

Maybe the contents of the boxes have not been packaged, and it's just the boxes that are there. This would prevent the tax problem for the most part, and could easily provide the information about the new models.

Yeah I have been told to watch out for a Flyer for the Eldar whether or not this is true or not???

Pretty much guaranteed.

Flyers are the new black in this edition, and every faction will likely end up with a flyer or a FMC before long.

PLASTIC WRAITHGUARD

WRAITHGUARD THAT AREN'T 35 DOLLARS EACH

AT LEAST FOR ANOTHER 2 YEARS ANYWAY

*SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

Dear lord,

We need flying Wraithlords.

"Yes, he flies. Yes, T8. Yes, Str 10 HoW attacks."

if Yriel's corsairs are jump infantry that'd be lovely, too (not jet-pack; they really aren't that fast tbh, they just get to do the warp spider thing on a smaller scale with a smaller piece of terrain).

Flying wraithlords would require jetbike wraithseers to keep up with them. I'd rather have a 2+/3++ save instead.

Additional wargear could easily extend the range of the wraithseer, no need for jetbikes and whatnot.

Avakael wrote:PLASTIC WRAITHGUARD

WRAITHGUARD THAT AREN'T 35 DOLLARS EACH

AT LEAST FOR ANOTHER 2 YEARS ANYWAY

*SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

Maybe you are lucky and they release a 50$ Finecast version in the meanwhile
(That said, even in Australia they are 25$ not 35$, and 15 US$)

Gavin Thorne wrote:

Halcones Cazadores

Falcon Hunters?

An interesting rumor, but I'll hold my frothing-at-the-mouth excitement until later in the year.

Halcones Cazadores is the spanish name for Swooping Hawks .

Phantomwaechter translates from german pretty directly as wraithguard.

what benefit are wraithguard anyway??? I am pretty new so I haven't studied them

Eldar Man wrote:what benefit are wraithguard anyway??? I am pretty new so I haven't studied them

A simple glance at their entry in the codex would show that. Buuuuuut I'll give a quick synopsis.

They are like mini monsterous creatures strength and toughness wise. They have a marine 3+ save. The guns they carry will eat anything or anyone who comes within range.

Bad stuff is they are very expensive point wise and $$ wise, they are slow, and have 12" range. Used correctly though, they can hit extremely hard and are damn near impossible to kill. But if you opponent is using a mobile army thy can dance around them pretty easily.

hmmmmmmm they are not for me

Stick em in a Skyshield, or behind an Aegis line.

Damn near immortal

I have a hard time killing them, if the eldar player knows what they're doing.

Oooh shiny new Eldar, seems about time! Maybe I will finally get around to collecting the Ulthwe force I always wanted.

As far as storing the goods in a warehouse for long stretches of time, Next time you buy a box, look at the sprue it should have a year embossed into the frame.

*grabs the space marine scouts with snipers box that arrived in the post earlier today*
'Games workshop 2005', I purchased these last week and they arrived today, very much into 2012.
I'm not 100% certain, but I suspect this date is the year of casting? please correct me if you know better.
That would suggest that this box of scouts sat around for 7 years before I finally bought it?
Bad bussiness or not it seems to be the case? I could accompany a photo... but you can all look at your last purchases sprue and recall when you bought it.

HairySticks wrote:
As far as storing the goods in a warehouse for long stretches of time, Next time you buy a box, look at the sprue it should have a year embossed into the frame.

That's the year the molds were tooled initially. Every sprue of Sniper Scouts will say "Games Workshop 2005" until a new kit is made. However, a lot of kits that come out recently say "Games Workshop 2011" on them, despite coming out in 2012.

Awesome thanks for the correction.
Even so, when the new starter set rolls around for example. The date will very possibly be a upto a year prior to release. The way they release products does suggest they have to stockpile enough for a global release day to satisfy the demand they anticipate. Meaning all releases must be planned ahead by considerable amounts of time which could mean idle stock taking up space for some time too.

HairySticks wrote:Awesome thanks for the correction.
Even so, when the new starter set rolls around for example. The date will very possibly be a upto a year prior to release. The way they release products does suggest they have to stockpile enough for a global release day to satisfy the demand they anticipate. Meaning all releases must be planned ahead by considerable amounts of time which could mean idle stock taking up space for some time too.

This is why it's ridiculous when somebody on forums such as these has this ridiculous "I can't believe they pushed ____ back!" reaction full of spit and vitriol when honestly GW had planned their chosen release for another date entirely. Things generally don't change on the spot like that; they're all planned out months in advance.

It's cool that they are coming out with plastic Wraithguard, but too little, too late for me unfortunately. I got two GW gift certificates (1 from the parents and 1 from my wife) almost specifically meant for Wraithguard because I have a fledgling Eldar army and they (at least my wife) knew that Wraithguard are so damn expensive for a useable squad that I would need a special occasion to ever get them, and I will now be getting at least 3-5.

Especially since they won't be any less expensive than the metal ones- if released right now they will probably be the same price and packaging as Wraiths. The current price of$47US for three Wraiths would actually be a price HIKE of $.60 apiece for Wraithguard.

And that's not taking into account the fact that they might be released after June, which will add another price hike. The likely price of $50 for a set of three would add a $1.60 hike to the current cost-per-model.

Now this assumes that they will be three to a box. I'm assuming that they will bump them up in size to make them more "impressive" (so three to a box), but maybe we'll get lucky and they will be like a box of Terminators. 5 plastic models for $50 bucks is still damn expensive, but a good deal easier to swallow.

Most transitions from metal to plastic have actually been a decent savings comparitively. Killa Kans went from $20+ each to three for $45ish. Unless Wraithguard get REALLY big sculpts, I'd expect Terminator-sized models at biggest.

Cept todays Wraithguard is already a little taller than a cyclone terminator. I'd think they'd be a tad taller than what they are now and take up a little more space due to their poses being appropriately dynamic (opposed to how they are currently very static now), making them fit very nicely on a 40mm base. Can't wait, I wish they'd just ship them as a gimme. I'd build about 15 of them regardless.

MightyGodzilla wrote:Cept todays Wraithguard is already a little taller than a cyclone terminator. I'd think they'd be a tad taller than what they are now and take up a little more space due to their poses being appropriately dynamic (opposed to how they are currently very static now), making them fit very nicely on a 40mm base. Can't wait, I wish they'd just ship them as a gimme. I'd build about 15 of them regardless.

Dynamic Wraithguard?

I'm not so sure Wraithguard are cpable of dancing the Watusi anymore...

Alpharius wrote:
Dynamic Wraithguard?

I'm not so sure Wraithguard are cpable of dancing the Watusi anymore...

Maybe they'll take my favorite dynamic posing: Doing a pirouette off a piece of rubble.

Alpharius wrote:

MightyGodzilla wrote:Cept todays Wraithguard is already a little taller than a cyclone terminator. I'd think they'd be a tad taller than what they are now and take up a little more space due to their poses being appropriately dynamic (opposed to how they are currently very static now), making them fit very nicely on a 40mm base. Can't wait, I wish they'd just ship them as a gimme. I'd build about 15 of them regardless.

Dynamic Wraithguard?

I'm not so sure Wraithguard are cpable of dancing the Watusi anymore...

I dunno... there was that craze a few years ago to model wraithlords all stealthy and acrobatic, climbing and jumping all over stuff like they were Batman.

My definition of dynamic was less static than standing there like a domino with your gun hugged to your chest pointing solidly to the left like they are now.

You wiseguys!

**shakes fist** "Get off my lawn! You damn kids"

Id be happy if they were 50% as customizable as a wraithlord. Heck even if you can just change up the arms and heads directions.

deejaybainbridge wrote:

Eldar need some loving.

No, no they do not.

They should be hated and scorned and driven from our fictional universe.