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Did you make that video?

   
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Manchu wrote:Well thanks for proving that you only hear what you want to. The president's actual words:
I, like most Americans, believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms. And we recognize the traditions of gun ownership that passed on from generation to generation -– that hunting and shooting are part of a cherished national heritage.

But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals –– that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities. I believe the majority of gun owners would agree that we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons; that we should check someone’s criminal record before they can check out a gun seller; that a mentally unbalanced individual should not be able to get his hands on a gun so easily. These steps shouldn’t be controversial. They should be common sense.


He recycled that speech:




And the "new" one:

   
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Spacemanvic wrote:He recycled that speech:
So he has been consistently supportive of the status quo regarding gun ownership for everyone but felons? Great. Sound like Wayne LaPierre should love him.

   
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Here's another for the visual learners:


   
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Because that video wasn't poorly made or biased...
   
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Those are incredible.

I think this one is my favorite:




Spacemanvic, whenever you post, I want you to imagine me saying to you in that same voice:

"OH NO, WHY?"

   
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If only the mother did her part and took her son to a doctor for evaluation. He would have been restricted from ever owning a firearm.


If he was seen. Then some parents do ignore the "signs" that their kids have some issue.


@Ahtman
Started under a different administration.

Project Gunrunner was under Bush. Fast and Furious went operational under Holder watch under the administration of Obama
So both Admins are at fault.

I own a M1 carbine. I own it mostly due to the history of it (a refurb from the Korean War) and its a fun little weapon to shoot. I do agree with you Ahtman that many historical weapon incoming on the US market in one shot would creat a lot of problems. 30 cal rounds are expensive enough is one

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Jihadin wrote:So both Admins are at fault.


I wasn't trying to pin it on one, just trying to point out that putting it entirely on Obama is a bit silly. I should have been more clear on that. It was a failure on many levels over multiple administrations.

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Manchu, that video is hilarious.

It saddens me, but I bet people actually believe in it too.

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Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
 
   
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My bad Aht. Just seems everyone (me included) focus onto one issue/incident without seeing how broad the issue/incident really is.

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Those videos suck so hard. And that's not even getting in to the content of what is said...
youbedead wrote:He hasn't done anything on fun control, he hasn't talked about gun control, he hasn't fething looked at gun control. The people who decided ti stockpile weapons were idiots.
This, a thousand times this.

Bunch of ignoramuses.
Ahtman wrote:You mean how President Obama never said anything until a gunman shot a bunch of people? If you read the statement as given, and not a lobbying group trying to get your money (NRA) presents it to you, you would see all he said was that we can do better to make sure the mentally ill and felons don't get firearms. He also said gun ownership in America is a tradition and that the individual right to own a firearms in Constitutionally guaranteed.
Hell, Obama didn't even say that non-criminals shouldn't have an AK47, if you read his statement carefully.

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Melissia wrote:Those videos suck so hard. And that's not even getting in to the content of what is said...
It does explain some of the conversations around here, however, if that's really what libertarians hear when other people talk.

Obama: Soldiers should have AK-47s; criminals shouldn't have AK-47s.
Spacemanvic: Obama says only soldiers and criminals should have AK-47s.

And if you think I'm exaggerating:
Barack Obama wrote:But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals
Spacemanvic wrote:Well, yesterdays speech he said the 2nd Amendment was for hunters, and that only soldiers and criminals needed AK47s.

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Yes, well, I deal with people vomiting out the nonsense he's parroting far too often IRL to want to deal with it on the forum. But it's so hard to ignore...

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Well, yesterdays speech he said the 2nd Amendment was for hunters, and that only soldiers and criminals needed AK47s. No longer in uniform, so I guess Im a criminal.


Obama: Soldiers should have AK-47s; criminals shouldn't have AK-47s.

Spacemanvic: Obama says only soldiers and criminals should have AK-47s.


What army we talking about here?


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Whichever army wants one? Although really there's little reason why an organized, well funded military would want an AK47.

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I'm skipping everything and saying this:

Obama's base is unhappy with him. Fewer of them might not come out to vote.

Obama's opposition is riled up. More of them might come out to vote.

No one (as far as I can tell) is part of a real hardcore Romney base.

I think if Romney had one, he'd be in.

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Obama's "base" isn't as unhappy with him as people make it out to be though.

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Melissia wrote:Obama's "base" isn't as unhappy with him as people make it out to be though.


Well, you know what I mean.

I figure if fewer people vote Obama and more vote against Obama, maybe Romney has a chance.

I don't really see Romney as having a base, though.

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Jihadin wrote:What army we talking about here?
It no more matters what army than which criminals.

   
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Spacemanvic wrote:He also let slip that business owners didnt build their own business'.


You get an A+ for taking things out of context, but a D- for common sense...

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You get an A+ for taking things out of context, but a D- for common sense...


Its politics

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I might come of as a bit harsh here Spacemanvic, but your reading comprehension really is awful. I'm 19 years old and English isn't even my native language and I still understood what Obama actually said. Either you didn't understand it or you're just trying to fling mud at Obama, Hanlon's Razor says it's the former, my gut instinct says it's the latter.

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There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.



Eeryone taxes are used to build and maintain the roads and bridges

Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive



Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet


That was the "glue" for the rest to be tied into the government column

Read it as the whole and not in parts


woops third part

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

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Albatross wrote:
Really? An organisation that threatens to disrupt vital services unless you pay them is a protection racket, effectively. That's exactly what tube drivers have done - they demanded a bonus to work during the olympics.


Protection generally functions on the idea that, if you don't pay, we'll steal from you or vandalize your property. This isn't the same thing as striking (or threatening to quit), which simply involves not working.

Truthfully, even without the protection of a union, the Olympics would give individual tube drivers leverage due to the time required to train a replacement, and the problems inherent in being undermanned during the Olympics.


Spacemanvic wrote:
Fast and furious death count of 300+ isnt enough?


Enough for what? Fast and Furious was a poorly conceived program designed to track weapons being funneled to cartels from American gun dealers. It has absolutely nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.

You might claim that the failure of the program is being used as leverage to push for tighter gun control, but that's a separate issue (and a stretch).

Spacemanvic wrote:
770,000 M1 Garands are going to be destroyed rather than being imported back to the US due to accepting 10 round magazines


Garands only hold 8 rounds, and the magazine is internal. They accept stripper clips, not magazines.

Really, this a good time to point out that I'm always worried when supposed gun enthusiasts know less about firearms than I do.

Spacemanvic wrote:
Current rider to the cyber security bill banning magazines.


I'm confused as to how an amendment proposed by a Senator is somehow the result of Obama's will.

Spacemanvic wrote:
His double speak on the 2nd Amendment?


What double speak?

Spacemanvic wrote:
He fooled enough hunters last time. Many have awoken to the fact Oh has nothing good in store for gun owners.


Probably not, but he doesn't have anything bad in store either.

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Spacemanvic wrote:
Howard A Treesong wrote:
Spacemanvic wrote:Im a liberal/progressives worst nightmare: An armed Hispanic American in the Tea Party with a college degree.


So you describe people who are liberal/progressive/socialist as 'stupid people' but then align with a bunch of nutters who beat their drum about opposing abortion, gay marriage and scientific education in issues such as evolution and climate change?

No wonder you see reds under the bed, everyone must seem like a communist/socialist with your skewed view of the world. That's the problem with US politics, a reasonable argument from the right is choked by the crazies.


Good thing your in the UK then, huh?


It often seems like a trait among some americans not to take interest in affairs beyond their own shores. However I and many others don't share that attitude, particularly when it concerns one of the most powerful nations on the planet. What happens in America can be very far reaching, especially their foreign policy, we're all interested in you even if you aren't in us. The fact that I don't live in your country doesn't mean I can't have a valid opinion. If someone like Sarah Palin became president, not impossible if John McCain had been elected and died, then we'd all be in the gak.

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Garands only hold 8 rounds, and the magazine is internal. They accept stripper clips, not magazines.

Also the possibility of crushing a finger when the bolt goes forwad. Always funny to see someone bolo it like its done in the old war movies


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Sarah Palin became president, not impossible if John McCain had been elected and died, then we'd all be in the gak.


You have experience though. Margeret Hatcher

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Jihadin wrote:

Sarah Palin became president, not impossible if John McCain had been elected and died, then we'd all be in the gak.


You have experience though. Margeret Hatcher

Thatcher is almost totally reviled by those who lived under her government...
She may have been a strong PM but she made some big mistakes...

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Jihadin wrote:
Sarah Palin became president, not impossible if John McCain had been elected and died, then we'd all be in the gak.


You have experience though. Margeret Hatcher


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