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azazel the cat wrote:
Tadashi, your freshman views on fascism betray your adolescence. I would recommend reading some Hobbes while listening to Woody Guthrie.


I hate Hobbes...I prefer to read Nietszche. And I was born, raised, and live in a country where democracy is a failure, and a mere facade over an oligarchic plutocracy. You must forgive me, but my subconscious has already given up on democracy as a lost cause, and what the world and humanity truly needs is unification and leadership.

I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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Lets not bring up Heinlien Federation even though it appeals to quite a few of us

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Jihadin wrote:Lets not bring up Heinlien Federation even though it appeals to quite a few of us


I would pick Heinlein's Federation over the Imperium or any fictional state...an ideal government ruled by a meritocratic oligarchy. Good call!

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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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Tadashi wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
Tadashi, your freshman views on fascism betray your adolescence. I would recommend reading some Hobbes while listening to Woody Guthrie.


I hate Hobbes...I prefer to read Nietszche. And I was born, raised, and live in a country where democracy is a failure, and a mere facade over an oligarchic plutocracy. You must forgive me, but my subconscious has already given up on democracy as a lost cause, and what the world and humanity truly needs is unification and leadership.

I too am a fan on Nietzsche; he meshes very well with Hobbes... Not so well with fascism. In fact, he was pretty sternly against it.

And forgive me, but which country are you referring to?
   
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azazel the cat wrote:
I too am a fan on Nietzsche; he meshes very well with Hobbes... Not so well with fascism. In fact, he was pretty sternly against it.


I know, ironic isn't it? But the Ubermensch is very compelling, and the idea of the Last Man disgusting.


And forgive me, but which country are you referring to?


The Philippines.

I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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Tadashi wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
I too am a fan on Nietzsche; he meshes very well with Hobbes... Not so well with fascism. In fact, he was pretty sternly against it.


I know, ironic isn't it? But the Ubermensch is very compelling, and the idea of the Last Man disgusting.


And forgive me, but which country are you referring to?


The Philippines.

Ah, thanks. Those little flags aren't appearing for me at the moment.

Hey, is that weird Mentos thing about National Night legit, or is that just the most random BS ever created?
   
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Insanity, pure and simple.

I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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Spitsbergen

azazel the cat wrote:

Tadashi, your freshman views on fascism betray your adolescence. I would recommend reading some Hobbes while listening to Woody Guthrie.



I think this Hobbes would serve him better:




Along with a girlfriend.
   
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rubiksnoob wrote:




Along with a girlfriend.


The person I seek does not exist...or rather, the person with the characteristics I seek does not exist.

I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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USA

So you're looking for an anime character?

The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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Melissia wrote:So you're looking for an anime character?


No...just a woman with the characteristics portrayed...don't trust most women these days that much...my godfather/uncle was reduced from a successful businessman to a depressed hermit by one.

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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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Jihadin wrote:Gold digger


Yup...they were engaged, then she ran off with a rich old man. My dad was furious, and it was all mom could do to calm him down (though she was angry, but in a cold and somewhat terrifying way). She was the one who impressed on me that people like that should just die with a bullet in their back (her father - my maternal grandfather - was a career soldier, so deserters and cowards don't really impress her).

I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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USA

You know, if I stated that I don't trust men just because a man betrayed my mother or something, I would be instantly attacked as a man-hating psycho lesbian or something.

So on the basis of consistency, can I throw the term "misogynist" around here?

The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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Melissia wrote:You know, if I stated that I don't trust men just because a man betrayed my mother or something, I would be instantly attacked as a man-hating psycho lesbian or something.

So on the basis of consistency, can I throw the term "misogynist" around here?

I think paranoid is more the word for both instances but yeah sure that works just as well.

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purplefood wrote:
Melissia wrote:You know, if I stated that I don't trust men just because a man betrayed my mother or something, I would be instantly attacked as a man-hating psycho lesbian or something.

So on the basis of consistency, can I throw the term "misogynist" around here?

I think paranoid is more the word for both instances but yeah sure that works just as well.

Paranoia stems from a damaged brain's inability to process information correctly, and is a symptom of schizophrenia. I think that's a bit harsh.

Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:

jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
 
   
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Testify wrote:
purplefood wrote:
Melissia wrote:You know, if I stated that I don't trust men just because a man betrayed my mother or something, I would be instantly attacked as a man-hating psycho lesbian or something.

So on the basis of consistency, can I throw the term "misogynist" around here?

I think paranoid is more the word for both instances but yeah sure that works just as well.

Paranoia stems from a damaged brain's inability to process information correctly, and is a symptom of schizophrenia. I think that's a bit harsh.

You say that and yet distrusting all women because one of them did something bad to your uncle is kinda odd...

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"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. 
   
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USA

If one said "a black guy stole something from me so I don't trust any black guys" they'd be declared racist, and rightfully so.

The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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Elephant Graveyard

Okay yeah misogynist is good for it...

Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. 
   
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USA

Not trying to condemn him, just want t o say, it's not a good belief. It's rather hateful to distrust an entire group based off of the actions of a single person.

[insert people trying to claim I do this]

The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
 
   
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Montreal

azazel the cat wrote:
Tadashi, your freshman views on fascism betray your adolescence. I would recommend reading some Hobbes while listening to Woody Guthrie.


I did just about the same suggestion on the last thread fight we had. It's not gonna go far.




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Tadashi wrote:
I hate Hobbes...I prefer to read Nietszche. And I was born, raised, and live in a country where democracy is a failure, and a mere facade over an oligarchic plutocracy. You must forgive me, but my subconscious has already given up on democracy as a lost cause, and what the world and humanity truly needs is unification and leadership.


You were born, raised and live in a country which still adores it's last dictator, a man who went down in the annals of history as the men who stole the most money from a State. It's sad to say, but the Philippino culture needs to change. The prevalant attitude amongst the many (if not all) philippinos I've met was that if you could screw over somebody and get away with it, you deserved praises. Not a good start for democracy.


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Tadashi wrote:
I know, ironic isn't it? But the Ubermensch is very compelling, and the idea of the Last Man disgusting..


Once more, the Ubermensch was a moral concept. And a very childish one at that.

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USA

To be honest, the Ubermensch is probaly misunderstood by both of you.

The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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Elephant Graveyard

Melissia wrote:To be honest, the Ubermensch is probaly misunderstood by both of you.

To be honest, they're both pretty depressing ideas...

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"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. 
   
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USA

Depends on how you look at it.

For example, both Batman and the Joker are ubermensch figures-- merely different interpretations of the coincept.

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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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My blog
 
   
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Montreal

Melissia wrote:To be honest, the Ubermensch is probaly misunderstood by both of you.


Other than saying that it was a moral concept, which it is, I doubt that you could've gleaned much from my understanding of Nietzsche. My views are in line with Hoffman's, which is pretty much the authority on Nieztsche in the english world.

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To be honest people have been reading Nietzsche for over a century and scholars still can't agree what the feth he was on about.

   
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LordofHats wrote:To be honest people have been reading Nietzsche for over a century and scholars still can't agree what the feth he was on about.


Well that's more the rule than the exception for 'postmodern' philosophers.

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Melissia wrote:Not trying to condemn him, just want t o say, it's not a good belief. It's rather hateful to distrust an entire group based off of the actions of a single person.

[insert people trying to claim I do this]


Look, I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but I've known the man since I was a kid...seeing him broken like that...its not that I hate women, I just can't bring myself to open up to the point I'd entrust my future to one unless I can be sure of her loyalty (sorry, but I can't find a better word) to me personally.


Melissia wrote:Depends on how you look at it.

For example, both Batman and the Joker are ubermensch figures-- merely different interpretations of the coincept.


I always saw the Ubermensch as a being beyond humanity, with man being a bridge between the ape and the Ubermensch. He/she would be a god for all intents and purposes to lesser beings.

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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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LordofHats wrote:To be honest people have been reading Nietzsche for over a century and scholars still can't agree what the feth he was on about.

Have you ever tried to read Nietzsche? And people say Mein Kamf is bad...

Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:

jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
 
   
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Testify wrote:
LordofHats wrote:To be honest people have been reading Nietzsche for over a century and scholars still can't agree what the feth he was on about.

Have you ever tried to read Nietzsche? And people say Mein Kamf is bad...


I have...its kinda complicated, but it boils down to that since man has 'killed' God through science and technology, man must now take God's place as the Ubermensch...the Ubermensch is beyond good and evil, and has the ability, knowledge, and power to create a new world with new laws, traditions, and cultures. It was very symbolic, and it did make my head hurt, and I had to read it many times, but this is what I ultimately came up with.

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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
 
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