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I didn't say everyone got there from pot, but a fair portion did.
I was just doing an apparently failed funny with the culture quip.
The artifacts of the culture at the crack house were people on a daily basis barely able to function, wreathing their kids in smoke from pipes burning whatever they had on hand.
The percentage of people who ended up on hard drugs after smoking weed is far bigger than the percentage of people stabbing someone because they picked up a knife.


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Relapse wrote:
There was no culture in the crack house I lived in for those several months, but there were definitly plenty of drugs. The way at least half the people living there found themselves in that place was by starting out with weed and working their way from there.

I think the problem is with the 'house' part of 'crack house'. I'd like to search this, but I feel a great majority of people who consume drugs aren't in that kind of situation, where your habitation is actually defined by the drug usage there.

But of course, this goes with what we said, basically, if you are in an area were everyone tells you constantly, ''hey, try this, it's cool and doesn't harm at all'', even if it's meth, well, you'll end up scratching scabs from your arms and smoke them for the crystals rejected from your body (heard this, might not be true, but still horrified me).

People like buzzes. Its the 21st century, bloody hell, can I please have my buzz without worrying about fething cops hauling my ass?

A lot of the people that ended up there started out as middle class kids who got into that crap through being exposed to it by friends at partys or get togethers. I'll just refer you to my post on page 3 to save me retelling things I found out about drugs and how people end up in places like I was in.
Just the amount of carnage caused by drug lords,with Mexico being a good example, should give people pause about doing drugs since they provide a good portion of the supply. Is 30,000 plus people being tortured and murdered worth having a joint?

Well I have my ballot in hand... hmmm decisions decisions

Holy gak batman!
Kids? While people get their high on?
Fuuuuuuuu


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Relapse wrote:
Just the amount of carnage caused by drug lords,with Mexico being a good example, should give people pause about doing drugs since they provide a good portion of the supply. Is 30,000 plus people being tortured and murdered worth having a joint?

Are billions of human death worth any of the acheivements of modern life?

On top of things, the market would be nowhere near as violent if it wasn't for recreational drugs beingillegal. Do you hear of many drive-by targetting people that works in the cigarettes or alcool industry? Or pharmaceutical companies going at war with each other?

It would also be a crapload cheaper, in the case of weed.

I was on a FoB that had no PX so they made runs once a week to the main FoB. Rains took out the main roads and no resupply for two weeks. By day ten you actually had to find a conceal spot to smoke. By day twelve everyone was itching for a firefight..

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
Holy gak batman!
Kids? While people get their high on?
Fuuuuuuuu


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Relapse wrote:
Just the amount of carnage caused by drug lords,with Mexico being a good example, should give people pause about doing drugs since they provide a good portion of the supply. Is 30,000 plus people being tortured and murdered worth having a joint?

Are billions of human death worth any of the acheivements of modern life?

On top of things, the market would be nowhere near as violent if it wasn't for recreational drugs beingillegal. Do you hear of many drive-by targetting people that works in the cigarettes or alcool industry? Or pharmaceutical companies going at war with each other?

It would also be a crapload cheaper, in the case of weed.

You'll have to define what you are terming achievements and which caused billions of deaths. Knowing the violence caused by drug lords, what is your justification for people using drugs, and their supplying the means to destroy a country just so they can party?

Relapse wrote:

You'll have to define what you are terming achievements and which caused billions of deaths. Knowing the violence caused by drug lords, what is your justification for people using drugs, and their supplying the means to destroy a country just so they can party?

How many deaths were caused by oil? How dare you still drive or allow people to drive cars?

It could be said about anything, really. Was the advent of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity worth the Terror? Questions like that don't really need an answer, because the answer would be entirely arbitrary and wouldn't elucidate anything.

You link my taking drugs with the violence of drug lords simply because of the 'drug' part in each idiom, but it really isn't worth noting unless you can also draw a direct responsability betwen me and the violence. Otherwise I can simply say ''well, I buy only from local dealers'.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

Relapse wrote:

You'll have to define what you are terming achievements and which caused billions of deaths. Knowing the violence caused by drug lords, what is your justification for people using drugs, and their supplying the means to destroy a country just so they can party?

How many deaths were caused by oil? How dare you still drive or allow people to drive cars?

It could be said about anything, really. Was the advent of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity worth the Terror? Questions like that don't really need an answer, because the answer would be entirely arbitrary and wouldn't elucidate anything.

You link my taking drugs with the violence of drug lords simply because of the 'drug' part in each idiom, but it really isn't worth noting unless you can also draw a direct responsability betwen me and the violence. Otherwise I can simply say ''well, I buy only from local dealers'.

The French revolution came about because people were being starved. The terror was vile and without merit. Motorized vehicles allow our civilization to function, as does oil. Recreational drugs are just that, recreational. So people can have this recreation, I have friends from Mexico that had to leave their country so they wouldn't see their parents and children murdered. They tell me that people who are anti gun and anti war but use drugs are kidding themselves about their morality since they caused both to destroy their lives and their homeland.

Relapse wrote:
The French revolution came about because people were being starved. The terror was vile and without merit.

The point is that in hindsight you can establish plenty of causations that couldn't have appeared to the individuals that are taking parts in the events. You bare responsibility for your actions and those that are derived from them only so far as you can reasonnably foresee their result. I can imagine that my dealer gets his stock from violent drug lords, but that's not reasonnable for me, it would be much more reasonnable to think that he gets it locally.

Motorized vehicles allow our civilization to function, as does oil. Recreational drugs are just that, recreational.

Happiness is mostly about pleasure. As a large part of the finality of your existence, i'd rank 'recreational' things fairly high. But do you see what I mean by arbitrary judgement? I see a value in recreational goods, and you see it in purely 'utilitarian' goods. In the end, people still die for some goods that we want to obtain. I don't think that 'but hey, this was so that we can build road!' will warm the hearth of the grieving relatives more than 'but hey, this was so that I can get high!'.

So people can have this recreation, I have friends from Mexico that had to leave their country so they wouldn't see their parents and children murdered. They tell me that people who are anti gun and anti war but use drugs are kidding themselves about their morality since they caused both to destroy their lives and their homeland.

'They' didn't cause the destruction of their lives. 'They' have a part in the chain of causality which might lead to your friends being expatriated, but so does the person at the customs who didn't check well enough to stop the drug from coming in. In the end, he doesn't bare any responsability either, because he didn't have any knowledge or mental state (or, in legal terms, any mens rea) which directly enabled the violence.

Basically, if you don't have knowledge, or if you don't have a blatant disregard for something to which you are exposed from a relatively close distance, then you don't have responsability.

No blood for pot!