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2012/10/26 03:43:35
Subject: Re:Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Same, the General's a leader and a good man. I also happen to agree with a lot of his policy, but the leadership and being a decent human being go a lot further with me then a platform I happen to like.
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2012/10/26 03:48:30
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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 whembly wrote:That's just about every President's reality...
News flash... Obama had both chambers in both years... 
It's a mistake to assume that just because your Republican party is an organised, disciplined unit that the opposition Democrats are as well.
I mean, here we've got a thread started because of a news story that's going around the world about a prominent Republican saying he endorses a Democrat. But in 2009 you had Liebermann, a sitting Democrat senator and former vice presidential candidate, saying he would not vote for a single payer option just because the liberal end of his party was for it. Objection for objection sake, against his own party.
So to say 'there were 60 Democrats in the senate' is true, but misses the point of how the Democrats function. Or, well, don't function.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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2012/10/26 03:53:53
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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 sebster wrote: whembly wrote:That's just about every President's reality...
News flash... Obama had both chambers in both years...
It's a mistake to assume that just because your Republican party is an organised, disciplined unit that the opposition Democrats are as well.
I mean, here we've got a thread started because of a news story that's going around the world about a prominent Republican saying he endorses a Democrat. But in 2009 you had Liebermann, a sitting Democrat senator and former vice presidential candidate, saying he would not vote for a single payer option just because the liberal end of his party was for it. Objection for objection sake, against his own party.
So to say 'there were 60 Democrats in the senate' is true, but misses the point of how the Democrats function. Or, well, don't function.
Wait... what?
Look... I'm NOT just talking about Obamacare... that was probably the most unpopular option he took.
He could've fought for rolling back the Bush's taxs cut...
He could've fought for the Dream Act...
He could've done many other things during that time, but he wanted to something the ended up being EXTREMELY unpopular with the American public. So, he blew his load on this.
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2012/10/26 03:54:54
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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 Frazzled wrote:Everyone's attacking poor Frazzled today. Thats ok. Like it or not I'm right. You can't be a player in one political party and endorse the other guy for the highest office in the land. That makes you unperson in that party. Everyone's acting like that's new and Frazzled's nuts, but as noted Leiberman was kicked out.
Lieberman wasn't kicked out. He lost his primary, and ran as an independant, and won, while receiving support from prominent Democrats including Obama. He was counted as part of the Democrat's 60 senators in the super majority. Automatically Appended Next Post:  LordofHats wrote:Doubt it.
Collin is was born in the 30's. EDIT: Checked. He's 75. He'll be 79 by the next election. He's too old to make a good run I think.
If he was any chance of 2016 run he'd have some momentum behind him already. When you don't build these things out from 4 or 8 before hand, well you get stuff like the last Republican primary. The only guy that was ever seriously going to win that was the one guy who'd been seriously running for 8 year before. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Jihadin wrote:He chosed his family over politics. Read his bio. Its a good read
That's what everyone says when things don't fall right and their chance at the presidency disappears.
It's probably what John Edwards is saying.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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2012/10/26 05:22:09
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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2012/10/26 05:51:03
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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whembly wrote:Wait... what?
Look... I'm NOT just talking about Obamacare... that was probably the most unpopular option he took.
He could've fought for rolling back the Bush's taxs cut...
He could've fought for the Dream Act...
He could've done many other things during that time, but he wanted to something the ended up being EXTREMELY unpopular with the American public. So, he blew his load on this.
Yeah, and I'm trying to explain to you that party discipline is something that is something that happens to political organisations that aren't the Democrats. Soon as they hit that fillibuster proof 60 votes in the senate, the Blue Dogs immediately stepped outside the party and started negotiating from their new position of strength, with not one thought for party loyalty. That's not a criticism of the blue dogs, personally I think with the way the US system is structured that things can only really work when party loyalty is weak.
And you're just wrong about the unpopularity of healthcare reform. You couldn't have found an issue that had more people on both sides agreeing that reform was needed. The problem came in small part from the Republicans running a pure spoiler campaign, and large part from the Democrats collapsing into an internal debate over the best alternative that they somehow played out in the national media, only presenting an overall policy structure extremely late in the process... and as a result spent no time selling the bill to the population.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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2012/10/26 06:09:33
Subject: Re:Senior Republican endorses Obama
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This is a non-issue in my opinion. Powell endorced Obama in 2008. Did it help him get elected? Nope. Will his endorcement help Obama in anyway this time around? Again the answer is no.
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2012/10/26 06:49:01
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Fully-charged Electropriest
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Frazzled wrote: LordofHats wrote:Um, yeah, he is. Not a Republican politician per se mind you, but he is a registered member of the Republican Party.
In some ancient time he may have been a registered republican, like when he worked for Bush Sr., but when you publicly endorse the opposing party you're no longer a member of the other party.
do you know history at all?
the two parties are almost exact opposites of what they once were
Republicans freed the slaves, remember that?
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2012/10/26 11:16:43
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Regular Dakkanaut
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2012/10/26 13:16:50
Subject: Re:Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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And here he comes, John Sununu, gaffe spouting yet again. Apparently Powell was just supporting Obama (history's greatest monster) due to them being 'brothers'...
Good fething grief, this man is the Romney campaign chairman.
Former White House Chief of Staff John Sununu, a co-chair of GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney's campaign, said in an interview Thursday night that retired Gen. Colin Powell's decision to endorse President Barack Obama's re-election bid appeared to have been driven by race.
However, Sununu later seemed to reverse himself.
"Frankly, when you take a look at Colin Powell, you have to wonder if that's an endorsement based on issues, or whether he's got a slightly different reason for preferring President Obama?" Sununu said on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight."
"What reason would that be?" a somewhat-perplexed sounding Morgan replied.
"Well, I think when you have somebody of your own race that you're proud of being President of the United States, I applaud Colin for standing with him," Sununu said.
(Also on POLITICO: Cory Booker: Sununu's comment "dumb")
A few hours after the CNN interview, Sununu issued a statement appearing to back away from the comment.
"Colin Powell is a friend and I respect the endorsement decision he made and I do not doubt that it was based on anything but his support of the president’s policies. Piers Morgan’s question was whether Colin Powell should leave the party, and I don’t think he should," Sununu said.
Powell, who like Obama is African American, made no mention of the president's race in announcing the endorsement on Thursday. Appearing on "CBS This Morning," Powell credited Obama with reversing the country's abrupt economic downturn and expressed general approval of the president's policies on issues ranging from national security to climate change to health care reform.
“I think, generally, we’ve come out of the [economic] dive and we’re starting to gain altitude,” said Powell, who served as George W. Bush’s secretary of state. “It doesn’t mean all our problems are solved....But I see that we are starting to rise up."
"I also saw the president get us out of one war, start to get us out of a second war, and did not get us into any new wars," Powell added. "The actions that he has taken with respect to protecting us from terrorism have been very, very solid."
Powell also suggested that the tax cuts Romney has touted could not be offset by reductions in spending.
In the CBS interview, Powell did express personal loyalty towards Obama. "I signed on for a long patrol with President Obama and I don't think this is the time to make such a sudden change," the retired general said.
Powell also accused Romney of changing his foreign policy positions in recent months. "This is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign," Powell said. "Sometimes, I don't sense that he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have."
"I think there are some very, very strong neoconservative views that are presented by the governor that I have some trouble with," Powell said.
Sununu, a regular surrogate for Romney's campaign, has made several provocative comments in recent months.
"I wish this president would learn how to be an American," Sununu said during a Romney campaign-organized conference call in July. He later apologized for the remark.
In an interview earlier this month, after the first presidential debate, Sununu called Obama "lazy and detached." The statement prompted MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell to suggest that Sununu might want to take his comments back, but the former White House chief of staff more or less repeated the statement. "He didn't want to prepare for this debate. He's lazy and disengaged," Sununu said.
Sununu served as governor of New Hampshire for about six years in the 1980s and was President George H.W. Bush's first chief of staff.
UPDATE (Friday, 12:33 A.M.): This post has been updated with Sununu's statement seeking to clarify his remarks about Powell.
That's this Sununu btw...
Sununu angered some when he was the only governor of a U.S. state not to call for repeal of the controversial UN General Assembly Resolution 3379 ("Zionism is Racism"). He later reversed his position on this issue and supported the Republicans' pro-Israel 1988 platform.[13]
As White House Chief of Staff, Sununu reportedly took personal trips, for skiing and other purposes, and classified them as official, for purposes such as conservation or promoting the Thousand Points of Light.[17] The Washington Post wrote that Sununu's jets "took him to fat-cat Republican fund-raisers, ski lodges, golf resorts and even his dentist in Boston."[17] Sununu had paid the government only $892 for his more than $615,000 worth of military jet travel.[18] Sununu said that his use of the jets was necessary because he had to be near a telephone at all times for reasons of national security.[19] Sununu became the subject of much late-night television humor over the incident.[17] Sununu worsened the situation shortly afterwards when, after leaking rumors of financial difficulties in his family, he traveled to a rare stamp auction at Christie's auction house in New York City from Washington in a government limousine, spending $5,000 on rare stamps.[20] Sununu then sent the car and driver back to Washington unoccupied while he returned on a corporate jet.[20] In the course of one week, 45 newspapers ran editorials on Sununu, nearly all of them critical of his actions.[21]
Sununu repaid over $47,000 to the government for the flights on the orders of White House counsel C. Boyden Gray, with the help of the Republican Party.[22] However, the reimbursements were at commercial rates, which are about one-tenth the cost of the actual flights; one ski trip to Vail, Colorado alone had cost taxpayers $86,330.[23]
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2012/10/26 15:45:30
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Bane Thrall
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Does he just apologize for everything he says?
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2012/10/26 16:19:50
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Fixture of Dakka
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I hope not, then he and Obama would have to go on Apology Tours together...POW!
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2012/10/26 18:24:05
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 AustonT wrote:
I hope not, then he and Obama would have to go on Apology Tours together...POW!
Obama was apologizing for the last republican administration...
BAM!
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2012/10/26 18:28:39
Subject: Re:Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Sunununu and Cutter needs to get FIRED.
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2012/10/26 18:53:47
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Fixture of Dakka
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 MeanGreenStompa wrote: AustonT wrote:
I hope not, then he and Obama would have to go on Apology Tours together...POW!
Obama was apologizing for the last republican administration...
BAM!
I feel like you don't get the spirit of the Pow. How could you with your head so deep in the sand.
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Avatar 720 wrote:You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
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2012/10/26 19:36:21
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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AustonT wrote: MeanGreenStompa wrote: AustonT wrote:
I hope not, then he and Obama would have to go on Apology Tours together...POW!
Obama was apologizing for the last republican administration...
BAM!
I feel like you don't get the spirit of the Pow. How could you with your head so deep in the sand.
Then why don't you explain it, for the good of the class?
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2012/10/26 19:44:40
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Napoleonics Obsesser
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Moderate Republican? Grandpa, what's that? Are they socialists?
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2012/10/26 19:47:51
Subject: Re:Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:So, if several of you are saying you'd vote for Colin Powell, does his endorsement of Obama and rejection of Romney give you pause in your voting choice?
He'd have had to have been caught doing a whole boy scout troop or have killed more dogs than Michal Vick to have kept me from voting for him in 2000.
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2012/10/26 23:08:53
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Powell is good. Like McCain was good back in 2000. I'm glad Powell hasn't run, so the slander machines of guys like Karl Rove couldn't smear his name and force him to toe the party line like they did to McCain.
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2012/10/27 02:43:20
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Posts with Authority
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I can't wait until this election is over, so I can get eleven months or so of peace before they start in on the next one.
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2012/10/27 02:44:55
Subject: Re:Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Bromsey...I'm evil...I'm going to remind you of the 6 months after election on why the other guy lost, possible voter fraud, swing states that suprise everyone...and all that craziness
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2012/10/27 02:49:31
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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I've never blocked anyone on these forums... but you asking for it, buddy.
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2012/10/27 02:52:03
Subject: Re:Senior Republican endorses Obama
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Don't hate on me Bromsy...I was going through all my boxes of Sprue to build fortification..and found to my pleasant suprise...I forgot I had them...a box of noise marines...
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2012/10/27 04:31:37
Subject: Re:Senior Republican endorses Obama
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I agree on the former so, so very much., Sununu is one of the biggest toolboxes in existence in my opinion.
I don't know who Cutter is though.
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2012/10/27 04:33:11
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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 Bromsy wrote:I can't wait until this election is over, so I can get eleven months or so of peace before they start in on the next one.
Sorry, but after the election we'll have At Least two months of recounts and voting fraud conspiracies.
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2012/10/27 04:34:49
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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 AduroT wrote: Bromsy wrote:I can't wait until this election is over, so I can get eleven months or so of peace before they start in on the next one.
Sorry, but after the election we'll have At Least two months of recounts and voting fraud conspiracies.
2 months, huh? My co-worker is still bitching about how Franken stole the election.
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2012/10/27 06:19:49
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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AduroT wrote: Bromsy wrote:I can't wait until this election is over, so I can get eleven months or so of peace before they start in on the next one.
Sorry, but after the election we'll have At Least two months of recounts and voting fraud conspiracies.
If Obama wins you will have four years of voting fraud conspiracies.
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2012/10/27 06:31:00
Subject: Senior Republican endorses Obama
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 Kilkrazy wrote: AduroT wrote: Bromsy wrote:I can't wait until this election is over, so I can get eleven months or so of peace before they start in on the next one.
Sorry, but after the election we'll have At Least two months of recounts and voting fraud conspiracies.
If Obama wins you will have four years of voting fraud conspiracies.
Yes. It's only ever Republicans who are bad. Democrats were the height of rational, polite opposition during the Bush years.
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2012/10/27 06:42:54
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Some Democrats behaved badly, no doubt.
Some Republicans will continue to behave badly if Romney fails.
Viz. the Birthers.
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2012/10/27 13:23:10
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 Seaward wrote: Kilkrazy wrote: AduroT wrote: Bromsy wrote:I can't wait until this election is over, so I can get eleven months or so of peace before they start in on the next one.
Sorry, but after the election we'll have At Least two months of recounts and voting fraud conspiracies.
If Obama wins you will have four years of voting fraud conspiracies.
Yes. It's only ever Republicans who are bad. Democrats were the height of rational, polite opposition during the Bush years.
Democrat bad is having an affair or smoking pot in college, republican bad is massive corruption, interfering with the voting, starting up false wars and dragging the nation to the edge of the fiscal abyss.
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