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2012/11/04 04:18:46
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Giggling Nurgling
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Konrad Curze.... but since he is not apart of the options... Perturabo.
Remember this. You can never overestimate the one who is always underestimated.
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2012/11/04 20:42:43
Subject: Re:Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Hellacious Havoc
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Perturabo ,sometimes he scares the gak out of me....
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The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."
-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.
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2012/11/04 21:58:44
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Maniacal Gibbering Madboy
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Hard choice but I find Dorn to be way to prideful for his good. Perturabo might not be the that better but he isnt stuck up snob. He is willing to change to win Imo
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2012/11/05 14:12:24
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Dakka Veteran
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Dorn is probably my least favorite Primarch. He just seems like such a tool, so this is easy.
Dorn is the reason I never played Black Templars. Such a prideful, self righteous fool. He's an embarrassment imo, I really don't understand why anyone likes him.
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Playing: Droids (Legion), Starks (ASOIAF), BB2
Working on: Starks (ASOIAF), Twilight Kin (KoW). Droids (Legion)
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2012/11/06 15:47:57
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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 Red Viper wrote:Dorn is probably my least favorite Primarch. He just seems like such a tool, so this is easy.
Dorn is the reason I never played Black Templars. Such a prideful, self righteous fool. He's an embarrassment imo, I really don't understand why anyone likes him.
I like him because of his siege expertise and his stubborness to his believes (even though it harms him a lot also) The fact that he makes mistakes makes him a little more likable imho and I like how he tries to pick up the pieces.
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2012/11/06 17:42:41
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Solahma
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Red Viper wrote:Dorn is the reason I never played Black Templars. Such a prideful, self righteous fool. He's an embarrassment imo, I really don't understand why anyone likes him.
Everything bad about Dorn is embodied in the Black Templars, IMO.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/271354.page
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2012/11/06 18:00:07
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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I just like Dorn, don't know why.
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I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member. -Groucho Marx
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2012/11/06 18:03:47
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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Perturado, he is just so cool 
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2012/11/08 03:11:51
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Perturabo, because if Honsou is any indication of who was the dominant one in the drunken one night stand Dorn and Perturabo clearly must have had, it's Perturabo.
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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2012/11/08 03:40:19
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Speed Drybrushing
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 King Pariah wrote:Perturabo, because if Honsou is any indication of who was the dominant one in the drunken one night stand Dorn and Perturabo clearly must have had, it's Perturabo.
And thats the ball game.
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2012/11/08 14:53:43
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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King Pariah wrote:Perturabo, because if Honsou is any indication of who was the dominant one in the drunken one night stand Dorn and Perturabo clearly must have had, it's Perturabo.
Wait....What?!
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413th Lucius Exterminaton Legion- 4,000pts
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2012/11/08 15:41:26
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Seriously, this thread is in dire need of Angel Exterminatus 
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Q: How many Space Marines does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None. The Emperor IS MY LIGHT!!!
Azezel wrote:I believe they've tried that. thirteen times in fact... Fourteen if you count that Horus thing.
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2012/11/08 17:12:03
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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 Tiger9gamer wrote: King Pariah wrote:Perturabo, because if Honsou is any indication of who was the dominant one in the drunken one night stand Dorn and Perturabo clearly must have had, it's Perturabo.
Wait....What?!
Honsou is half IF and half IW.
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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2012/11/08 17:14:16
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Solahma
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How does that work?
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2012/11/08 17:25:13
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Don't recall precisely how but that a warsmith (who fabius bile killed at some point) had been experimenting in combining iron warrior and imperial fist geneseed which eventually resulted in our dear honsou who is at times shunned for being a 'halfbreed.'
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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2012/11/08 17:37:48
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Solahma
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Ugh, McNeill ...
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2012/11/08 18:40:52
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/11/08 18:44:15
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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ugh topic got derailed hard(ish)
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2012/11/08 19:05:07
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I really don't see anything wrong with Honsou's origins. We know CSM are always in desperate need of gene-seed and that they used captured gene-seed to create new Marines. It's a delicious irony that Honsou had to be created from the most hated enemy of the Iron Warriors, and that this stigma only drives him.
McNeil did a great job with Honsou in Storm of Iron imo, it's just what comes after that....
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2012/11/08 20:10:45
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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King Pariah wrote:Don't recall precisely how but that a warsmith (who fabius bile killed at some point) had been experimenting in combining iron warrior and imperial fist geneseed which eventually resulted in our dear honsou who is at times shunned for being a 'halfbreed.'
It's not even that complicated if I recall and Fabius wasn't even involved
Honsou was created using Imperial Fist Geneseed, but he was taken from Olympian Stock, hence half breed (Storm of Iron P43). Might have been left over from the Iron Cage maybe?
I would agree in a few instances but Storm of Iron is a 40k masterpiece in my opinion, definitely up there with Daemonworld and Eisenhorn. 40k felt like 40k in these, some of the later books don't have the feeling any more.
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2012/11/08 20:17:24
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Solahma
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I dunno man. I get the feeling that Storm of Iron is associated with that honeymoon experience of 40k, just like people who say Xth Edition was the best one. I read through the first dozen or so pages and thought it was good enough to buy other Graham McNeill books ... reading the first few pages of those made me stop buying his books (outside of the HH series, damn it).
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2012/11/08 20:23:51
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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 Manchu wrote:I dunno man. I get the feeling that Storm of Iron is associated with that honeymoon experience of 40k, just like people who say Xth Edition was the best one. I read through the first dozen or so pages and thought it was good enough to buy other Graham McNeill books ... reading the first few pages of those made me stop buying his books (outside of the HH series, damn it).
off topic, I think the first 3 Ultramarine books where pretty good.
On topic: did the entirety of the emperor's palace fall? or just a portion? and how long did the siege last?
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2012/11/08 20:25:55
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Tiger9gamer wrote:
On topic: did the entirety of the emperor's palace fall? or just a portion? and how long did the siege last?
All but the Inner Sanctum fell, and the length is consistent but an old Index Astartes article says 55 days.
My guess is in the HH series they're going to go for a longer length though.
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2012/11/08 20:30:15
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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I can still go and read Storm of Iron now and enjoy it. It has everything you could want in it and if McNeill could write like this all the time I would be happy. But he, like Counter, tend to miss the mark. Neither of their series have I been able to get into.
ADB is probably the most consistent with his works, and I have been most impressed by him, but I got the feeling with Void Stalker that he was beginning to fall into the same trap as with the more veteran writers.
 Harriticus wrote: Tiger9gamer wrote:
On topic: did the entirety of the emperor's palace fall? or just a portion? and how long did the siege last?
All but the Inner Sanctum fell, and the length is consistent but an old Index Astartes article says 55 days.
My guess is in the HH series they're going to go for a longer length though.
I hope not, I hope they leave stuff like this alone. I'm already confused at just how long from it's all taken from Ullanor up to where we are at present.
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2012/11/08 20:37:01
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Solahma
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They really need to print some kind of timeline.
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2012/11/08 20:44:42
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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I would love this, I would pay proper good money for a Horus Heresy Encyclopaedia or A - Z.
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2012/11/08 20:50:56
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Solahma
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You and me both!
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2012/11/08 20:55:03
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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why does GW have a habit of makeing dorn and his followers look like arsehats?
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2012/11/08 21:37:08
Subject: Perturabo Vs. Dorn! Who do you like more?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Tiger9gamer wrote:why does GW have a habit of makeing dorn and his followers look like arsehats?
In fairness, they make most of the primarchs look like arsehats. Dorn just gets more time to look like an arsehat because he's a loyalist with a splinter chapter with their own codex, so naturally GW will write more about him.
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