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Gravmyr wrote:
If Deep Striking is movement as I think I have shown that the deployment is, is that not what is normal for a unit in DS Reserve?

Is DS the normal movement mode for any unit? No? Then no, it is not normal movement, even for a unit in DS reserve. It is very definitely ABnormal movement. If you disagree you are stating all units can make use of it, which is false.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Gravmyr wrote:
If Deep Striking is movement as I think I have shown that the deployment is, is that not what is normal for a unit in DS Reserve?

Is DS the normal movement mode for any unit? No? Then no, it is not normal movement, even for a unit in DS reserve. It is very definitely ABnormal movement. If you disagree you are stating all units can make use of it, which is false.

This is a logical fallacy. Not all units can move 12" normally, however it is a normal movement for Jump units.

JI can use JI movement through out the game. Can a DS unit use DS movement throughout the game?

I see nothing preventing that if it could somehow return to reserves. Why would the lack of (innate) ability to return to reserves preclude using DS again should it arrive there?

Nothing - however it doesnt make it normal movement

Even if you think it is normal movement, given it cannot fulfil ANY of the required parts to TS it is unable to TS.

So, even though you couldn't make your point, I'm still wrong. Well argued.

You didnt manage an argument either. As nothing about your prior post has anything to do with defining normal movement.

And, no matter whether you think DS IS normal movement, you still cannot TS....so it is irrelevant anyway

Pointing out a pointless argument is not usually a waste of time, but if you want to keep arguing - go ahead.

silentone2k wrote:
I see nothing preventing that if it could somehow return to reserves. Why would the lack of (innate) ability to return to reserves preclude using DS again should it arrive there?

DS is from reserves, to go into ongoing reserves and enter by DS requires specific premission a la the gate of infinity. Even then it is still not normal movement for that psyker.

Okay, 4 pages in and I've got a headache.

Tankshock replaces normal movement? right, so it replaces all movement restrictions with a new set, which basically boils down to point, move, hit. So if it replaces the 'normal movement' it would therefore overwrite the DS rules of place? So if you can't place......

Can someone please define how a piece enters play (as in the method of transport), because as someone pointed out, if I immobilise a TS unit, where does it stop? Droppod would hover in the air, Monolith, which teleports would be 1" on the other side of the teleport. Does anything dig? so thats 1" below the board. The reason I ask, because if it's not defined then you can't base RAW off of it, it's immediately RAI.

Cheers

Andrew

Essentially there is no way to claim DS is normal movement, no way to fulfil TS requirements EVEN IF you decide to claim it is normal movement, and that still doesnt alter that you dont get to "arrive" until after you mishap, meaning you haven tTS

its about the weakest possible argument - just a lot of handwving and hope