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 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Well yeah they are so vikings in space. Ok lycanthopic vikings in space.

Be thankful we don't have Twilight in SPAAACE!!! (shudders)

GWs policy with romance is basically "girls are icky", I wouldn't fear this too much.

 Lynata wrote:

Admiral Valerian wrote:In a way yes. AFAIK, the title 'Adeptus Mechanicus' was never adopted until after the Horus Heresy. Before, they were simply the Mechanicum. And while they had the same religious doctrines and dogma, unlike their post-Heresy incarnation the Mechanicum was actually re-discovering and developing technologies at a rate unseen since the Golden Age of Technology ended. They also understood what they were building, and didn't forget anything. Probably because the Emperor encouraged innovation, daring, and creativity so long as the commandment against AI technology was followed.

Throughout the millennia, the Mechanicum did not change at all. They received a new prefix, a seat on the Council of High Lords, and new trade contacts. Other than that? The fact that the Mechanicus' Forge Worlds were allowed to remain sovereign satellite states ultimately means that neither the Emperor nor the High Lords had anything to do with the ongoing devolution. Tech-mysticism was already fairly ingrained into the Mechanicus back then - and worse yet, as it was incorporated into the wider Imperium it actually spread to other worlds. The High Lords of today encourage innovation and daring just as much as the Emperor did back then. If you want to blame anyone, look no further than the Fabricator-General and his little cult.

Strongly disagree here. On many occasions, the Mechanicus of the 30K millenium is shown to be developing new technologies and improving on old ones (see noospheric technology for example, or multiple marks of Power Armor in a relatively short period vs. almost zero progress in the subsequent 10,000 years except the mild up-armoring for MkVIII). The Heresy and the civil war on Mars was as destructive to technological progress as Old Night, reducing countless repositories of knowledge to ashes. In the few short centuries since Unity, the pact between Terra and Mars, and the beginnings of the Great Crusade, the Mechanicus finally began to sift through the remnants of the Age of Strife and to take its tentative first steps forward... all to have it all obliterated from within.

 Omegus wrote:

 Lynata wrote:

Admiral Valerian wrote:In a way yes. AFAIK, the title 'Adeptus Mechanicus' was never adopted until after the Horus Heresy. Before, they were simply the Mechanicum. And while they had the same religious doctrines and dogma, unlike their post-Heresy incarnation the Mechanicum was actually re-discovering and developing technologies at a rate unseen since the Golden Age of Technology ended. They also understood what they were building, and didn't forget anything. Probably because the Emperor encouraged innovation, daring, and creativity so long as the commandment against AI technology was followed.

Throughout the millennia, the Mechanicum did not change at all. They received a new prefix, a seat on the Council of High Lords, and new trade contacts. Other than that? The fact that the Mechanicus' Forge Worlds were allowed to remain sovereign satellite states ultimately means that neither the Emperor nor the High Lords had anything to do with the ongoing devolution. Tech-mysticism was already fairly ingrained into the Mechanicus back then - and worse yet, as it was incorporated into the wider Imperium it actually spread to other worlds. The High Lords of today encourage innovation and daring just as much as the Emperor did back then. If you want to blame anyone, look no further than the Fabricator-General and his little cult.

Strongly disagree here. On many occasions, the Mechanicus of the 30K millenium is shown to be developing new technologies and improving on old ones (see noospheric technology for example, or multiple marks of Power Armor in a relatively short period vs. almost zero progress in the subsequent 10,000 years except the mild up-armoring for MkVIII). The Heresy and the civil war on Mars was as destructive to technological progress as Old Night, reducing countless repositories of knowledge to ashes. In the few short centuries since Unity, the pact between Terra and Mars, and the beginnings of the Great Crusade, the Mechanicus finally began to sift through the remnants of the Age of Strife and to take its tentative first steps forward... all to have it all obliterated from within.

My thoughts exactly.