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Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.

I found one of the last ones I bought.

216.

It's where the "Battle Report" was some isometric photographs and a few notes. I knew it was "the end" at that point. WD ceased to be WD.

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I don't even know how to address this sarcastic monkey pump that that article became.


I applaude the effort, and if you took your ego out of the writing, the comparison piece wouldn't have had half bad. Your opinionated article lost a lot of steam when you honestly didn't know your audience, and the subject, enough to have to resort to the kindergarten yard gak, " I said so, so it's true..."


If you try it again, stick to objective, and leave the propaganda to GW. Your not a paid hack, so quit with the gobblygook groupspeak. Leave your ego at the door.


We won't even get into the "ragequitters" smack... If anything, you produced a clear impression of why alienation and turning people away from the hobby is a cool thing to do...

Honestly you don't know what your writing about if you think that "Better, because its PLASTIC...." is the basis of the issue.


And for what its worth,

GW has lost touch with thier so called "Target Audience." The old one had" a guy named "Fat Bloke", who every month of his iteration, he would come into the magazine and discuss and actually TRY to be sociable.
Not just spill out the party line.

The mag was what it was, and until they ended up becoming coperate hack, they actually had different content for different games. That other article, about the comparison of Rampage was a vary good anolgy. In fact, if you go back and picked up WD 45-100, you would have a very good comparison to make between WD of those days, and Rampage of today.

If you want to write about a hobby subject, stick to the subject, and don't open up yourself with weak childs writing.

X is X, here is what I thought about it...... Point A, B, and C. I might think this, but I am presenting this opinion.

Y is Y, here is what I thought about it, Here is where I am coming from with my opinion. Point A, B, and C.

Opening up and connecting with the reader. THAT? That stuff was just kool guy blogspeak. !@#$ That. Arrogance without the added aroma of BS. It was even worse when you put in that your models were featured in the "New" mag.

I'd like to see a comaprison of the old models, compared to the NEW painted ones style and paint quality.

A comparison between paints. Reaper, GW, Valajo. etc... I use this, heres why...
Brush work. I use this palet, these brushes, here's what you need to do to get this effect....
Model quality/ conversion. Heres a great way to add in battlefield effects to your base. Heres a way to add character to your models...


Don't quit writing, and take what I said with a grain of salt, but the last thing GW honestly needs is more corperation speak bland gak. They arnt' even a shadow of wat they once were, and are doing everything short of charging you to paint thier models that can be possible to suck people dry of any sort of goodwill, or open a hand to any future customers.

THIS type of writing doesn't do it any help.



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yep i only read a few paragraph's of the review before i went wtf? it seems that mk ultra(marines) works.

Also the spacemarine army featured in the wd is like expensive to make, hint hint?

(and the guns not drilled out!!!)

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The thIng that's mentioned a lot here is that GW isn't using WD for its target audience, which we seem to think is us, the vets. But GW's target audience will be what GW wants it to be, I.e at this point in history we have gone back to new start push, young lads 12-15 and parents cash.

This is seen by the changes in access to paint tables n gaming tables for just starters only, this happened in about 07 when keytimers were cut, it will come round again as GW remembers now and then that a lot of Vets now have disposable incomes and will want to spend.

This article is a bit keen but I don't blame Garfy for it as WD show his stuff and he has a blog to push.

WD has gone up n down over the years and this iteration will last a couple of years then change again. I think it's a good base but it has to sort out the after the new releases section, they will never do other company comparison as its GW, but showing off top end modelling guides with their own kit and paints would be a start, and as a painting blogger Garfy should have mentioned that.

But it's not worth all the bile that's coming out on here tbh, but I'm just in a good mood today :-)

 
   
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Oh dear. I've just gone through this thread and read the replies.

Can we sticky this to preserve it for all time as a "how to" single-handedly destroy one's reputation on a forum?


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I like how the new issue won due to aspects not related to the quality of the magazine.
   
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 Grimtuff wrote:
Oh dear. I've just gone through this thread and read the replies.

Can we sticky this to preserve it for all time as a "how to" single-handedly destroy one's reputation on a forum?


Yea it would be kind of cool to make it a sticky.

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I like how the new issue won due to aspects not related to the quality of the magazine.
Because it's the only way it could win
   
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privateer4hire wrote:
Cue long story involving that issue.

In early 2000 I took holiday in Nottingham.
Was US military stationed in Italy and had saved up for a couple of years.

I was an RPG fan and had never played a wargame.
I wander into a GW. A demo game later I walk out with 3rd edition + BFG starter plus a couple of old WDs the mgr gave me.

Necron warriors were attached to the WDs and I liked them.
I came back and bought every blister of Necron stuff they had on the pegs (I had saved up a couple of years for vacation).

The manager goes back in the back and brings me every copy of WD with the Necron warriors attached and throws them in my bag----gratis!

He also dug through and found the WD that had the Necron rules in them----this was LONG before they had a codex.

That edition reminds me of all the cool stuff about the Hobby. The manager saw somebody enthused in the game and he nicely helped me out.


yeah back in the day I had a lot of helpful gifts and such like that, and I'd return the favour when I discovered the internet and having a knack for finding neat and old models
now its "no books, you can't play, don't care if you know the rules"
i loathe that store


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still find it amusing how he talks like a typical GW employee, using words like "the hobby"

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Okay, the first WD I bought was this one:


Which I mostly got for the free cardboard bunker. From that point I bought every White Dwarf through this issue:

Though, that was due to subscription reasons. I thought White Dwarf started sucking when Paul Sawyer became the editor back on issue 215 (UK numbering) and never really recovered.

I read the odd article between then and now, typically in stores, and there were things I did enjoy (Mostly rehashes of the original Tale of 4 Gamers, though they didn't generally include the budgetary restrictions, which would have made for an interesting comparison.)

I did buy two US White Dwarfs, 390 & 391, but both as back issues, and both because I wanted rules that they contained that I couldn't discover on GW's sorry excuse for a website. (Chaos Daemon Update and rules for Stormtalon and Orky Flyers) The rest of the magazine wasn't worth reading, and holy crap, I thought the lack of good hobby content when Fat Bloke took over in 1997 was bad, but a (semi-)modern one like 390 is just beyond awful for that. I will take a look at one of these all new ones that are supposed to be the current norm. I would say that for me, the "Golden Age of White Dwarf" was around issue 192 - 210, but it likely helped that I was in my teens then.

I wish I still had my old WDs around, as a more objective review comparing Issues UK169 (My first issue), UK190 (First Issue edited by Jake Thornton), UK215 (First issue edited by Paul Sawyer), US390 (my return to the fold) and the current issue. Also, the new logo? Yikes, taht thing is flat, bland and ugly.

 
   
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I would have to go back and find the right issue - but did anyone find it odd to compare January to February?

I happen to have had a copy of the November 1997 issue on my desk right now because I was looking back at it for a different reason, and it actually doesn't match up to what he describes. I don't think there was a dramatic change in the WD during that period of time...so if I had to guess, the January issue is really somewhat more of a fluke than an actually representation of the magazine at the time.

November had a new "small" game (Jousting/Tournament rules for WFB) as well as a crap load of hobby articles that aren't meant to sell things. It was the Games Day results issue - so you have a bunch of pages from those (to include the GD galleries).

Had some tear-out card stock terrain for the tournament game, several page spread on building the GD display table, several pages on the design and manufacture of the "new" Eldar Falcon, new rules for Space Marine Scouts, new rules for campaigns in Epic, several battle scenarios (which GW now charges for on the Apple store) and the page count was actually well over the 100 pages in the magazine which he compared the new one to.

Have there always been a lot of advertisements in White Dwarf? Yes - that is typical for magazines in general and isn't limited to White Dwarf. However, the new White Dwarf format doesn't normally show a single item that isn't sold by GW - it is entirely, cover to cover an advertisement/sales brochure. The big GD display table shows scratchbuilding of ork forts and titans - not something GW would dare do now.

Also, the old subscription is actually a base savings off cover price (£3.50 x 12 = £42...Subscription price £40) plus you get the freebie on top of that. The figure price hikes though have exceeded even the price hike of White Dwarf - so those £5 in figures would be worth more now than they are then.
   
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Oh, and I apologize for the zogging huge image of WD169 in my earlier post. I'll hunt for a smaller one to replace it.

 
   
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There are two things I would like to see before this thread bites the dust,

1 The OP coming back into it and somehow defend the indefensible

2 Ask him to review any WD from 50 through to around 120 and compare them to the modern WD.
More than ever these were proper hobby magazines, with a lot more than just GW product in - if you can find one on archive the advertisements for various small mini companies, retailers will blow your mind when you consider the "Only GW exists" WD of today.
God knows what he would make of the semi-pro typesetting and graphics, or those early Citadel/marauder castings. Question how much value would he put on a free music single, when GW wanted to corner the market in Gothic Rock - was that D-Rok? answers on a postcard.

I am lucky to be old enough to have been playing "toy soldiers" for far too long, but one thing I did stop years ago was buying the White Dwarf

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